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Gold Knight
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Actually, Alex again confirms that he sent the tape in #42 (at 4:04).

It's quite possible that Alex really did want Jay's help at first, but his repeated encounters with the Operator made him less trustworthy.

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tijde
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Gold Knight wrote:
Actually, Alex again confirms that he sent the tape in #42 (at 4:04).

It's quite possible that Alex really did want Jay's help at first, but his repeated encounters with the Operator made him less trustworthy.

You're right! I forgot that (obviously). So, in this case at least, Alex and Jay were both reliable. Jay's assumption in #36, that Alex had sent the tape, was correct, and Alex probably didn't have Maskies following him before #34.

The second supports the spec that Alex lured Jay out specifically so that Masky would follow. But then, if the Maskies weren't bothering Alex before Jay showed up, Alex must have wanted to get Tim out of Jay's hair. I doubt he was just doing Jay a favor, so Alex probably either (a) needed Jay's help, or (b) wanted to control Jay's investigation.

Another possibility is that Alex suspected Masky planted the tape/camera in his apartment, but didn't know for sure. He could've blamed Tim for getting him re-involved, putting Amy at extreme risk in the process, and wanted revenge. In order to do that, Alex would still need to lure Masky out--Masky knew where Alex was, but Alex didn't know where Masky was. Alex knew from watching S1 that Masky had been stalking Jay, so he uses Jay as bait. Sends Jay an address, knowing Masky will anticipate a meet-up and likely show up. The big problem with this is, if Masky's intent was to attack Alex and he knew where Alex was already, why wait for a meet-up?!
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It would be funny is the video was fake as people have posted weird.

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tijde wrote:
Yes, Owlish, yes I am. Smile Thanks for the post. I'm intrigued by the memory theme, especially in connection with the original MH project. I suspect we'll learn some key info about that project in the future, which will be interesting to watch with this analysis in mind. The memory issue and the fear of the unknown could really go hand-in-hand here. After all, if you can't trust your memory, what can you really ever know outside of the present moment? Without the proper context of memory, even the present can be bewildering. Your whole life would be a mixed-up set of snapshots, leaving you to draw whatever lines you can puzzle together to make sense of the mess. Talk about a loss of identity. (Uh oh, who does that remind you of? Crap, have I wandered into pretentious film student territory?)


Glad you liked it. I like your interpretation, too, about aging and fear of adulthood. That hadn't occurred to me at all, and it's a great theory.

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Question. I'm doing some thread trawling around enttry #37. Since lots of #51 specs are working on the "How long has Alex had The Stalk/been Operated" question, I figured I'd re-examine the birthday footage & its context. Problem is, #37 had Spongegate, so it's going to take a bit to read through the thread. According to the wiki and 30+ pages in the Twitter thread, here's the order of events [OOG INFO BELOW]:

- Jay finds something he's anxious about uploading. He calls it Entry #37; I'll call it Original #37. 
- He tries to upload it, but can't log in to YouTube  
- Tweets get weirder, lots of typos. Jay gets sicker, till finally "slee pno.w"
- enttry #37 is uploaded
- Spongegate explodes. Troy admits to and corrects the mistake OOG 
- Simultaneously or soon thereafter, someone posts a lucid, typo-free tweet from Jay's account. Mentions clearing a Recycle Bin, links to a Twitpic screenshot. Both are deleted almost immediately. (Discussion starts here
- General uF consensus is that Troy accidentally tweeted OOG stuff to the MH account. 
- Jay is AWOL for a week
- Jay wakes up in his car near the Red Tower, starts tweeting again. Footage saved to his computer prior to the slee pno.w event has been deleted.
- uF sticks by the conclusion that the deleted tweet was OOG  
- Troy never comments on the deleted tweet, even though he'd just done something similar for a confirmed OOG mistake. If the Twitpic tweet was a mistake, why not own up to that too, since immersion was broken at the moment anyway? 

So here's my question: Why are so many people assuming tta uploaded enttry #37 and deleted Jay's files? Why couldn't Jay have done it all himself while blacked out?

No, I don't know why yet. But I don't know why tta would've done it either. So do we have a reason, aside from "tta uploaded Entry #####?" Tta doesn't have a history of changing Jay's password or numbering entries, even though he/they had an opportunity. "enttry" is more in line with Jay's typos. Assuming the deleted tweet is IG, it's way too coherent for typical tta communication. And I can come up with possible ways for either to have gotten access to Alex's old home videos (they're both implausible, but equally so). 

Am I missing something, or just seeing a different face in the inkblot, so to speak?
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If you're implying that the whole 'post on Twitter and then delete it moments after' fiasco that happened, when most people believe it was OOG, was actually in-game, then I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I mean, it's definitely possible, but I personally believe it's more realistic that Troy figured he was logged on to his personal OOG account at the time of the tweet.

The reason why is because if you look at this image below, he posted it via Twitpic, not Twitter itself. Just like any other application or device you could use to update Twitter (Tweet Deck, cell phone, etc.), it sometimes isn't always entirely obvious which one you're signed on to, at least not as obvious as it would be if you were posting it on Twitter.com. I've personally made this mistake.


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Troy has never, to my knowledge, used the "post content then delete it after a set period of time to simulate fucked-up things happening in-game" tactic. Every time Jay has made a tweet or posted a picture, regardless of the circumstance, it has stayed up.

I'm confident with thinking that the deleted tweets issue was an out-of-game mix-up.

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tijde
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Ok, so take the deleted tweet out of the equation. I can come up with rebuttals, but it's not necessary to agree on the tweet anyway.
tijde wrote:
So do we have a reason, aside from "tta uploaded Entry #####?" Tta doesn't have a history of changing Jay's password or numbering entries, even though he/they had an opportunity. "enttry" is more in line with Jay's typos. Assuming the deleted tweet is IG, it's way too coherent for typical tta communication. And I can come up with possible ways for either to have gotten access to Alex's old home videos (they're both implausible, but equally so).
 
Even without the tweet, there seems to be at least as much evidence pointing to Jay as there is pointing to tta (assuming, of course, that tta and Jay are separate parties). Especially considering #24, where we saw a blacked-out Jay doing stuff he doesn't remember. But my impression is that the majority of uF attributes the uploading of #37 to the latter. Am I wrong about the majority part? If not, am I missing some further evidence pointing toward tta?
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Most things point towards Jay posting #37:


  • It follows Jay's numbering, whereas Entry ##### did not.
  • #37 isn't in TTA's style at all, whereas Entry ##### was at least somewhat (although still unusual for a TTA entry).
  • The most solid evidence is, as you pointed out, the typo coupled with the "slee pno.w" tweet.


If Jay posted it, then I assume he did it in the Slendy-induced trance between the "slee pno.w" tweet and waking up near the red tower. We'll probably find out later why and how exactly that trance was caused and what, if anything, else happened during that time.

The only thing that speaks for TTA is that there is precedent for hijacking the channel, but it wasn't done in the same way and the uploaded video was different.

The bigger question seems to be: Is the footage altered or not aka were the weird effects originally on the tape and did Slendy actually appear on that birthday? Is the footage is real, that would be solid proof that Slendy has been following Alex since his childhood, which gives the whole story a different twist (and gives plausibility to a number of theories that have popped up in the last days). But, but, but, but... If the footage is unaltered, Jay can't possibly have been in possession of the tape before the trance (unless he had it but never watched, which I consider unlikely), because then the Operator wouldn't be a new thing to him. If the footage is altered and he only saw the Slender-free version before it was posted, don't you think he would have said so in a tweet? So, either way, if Jay posted this entry, he either never watched the tape or somebody gave it to him during the blackout.

If TTA posted it, both options are possible. However, it seems rather weird for TTA to post footage they didn't mess with and/or record themselves. TTA's videos are always heavily abstract and symbolic, so if the footage is unaltered, I don't think TTA posted it. If it's altered, then it fits the "symbolic" criterion, because that means Slendy didn't actually visit Alex's birthday party. But we still have the problem that the editing isn't in TTA's style.

Make of my observations what you will, but I conclude that Jay posted enttry 37 during the blackout and somebody gave it to him during that time. Can't tell you who it was though (Slendy? Tim? Brian? Other cast member? Or, in a big surprise twist, Alex himself?) and I also can't tell you if it's real or if Slendy was added in. Maybe we'll get the answer as season 2's cliff hanger.

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Hello, I was just wondering, how did we Bruce get the name Bruce?

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Rather Dashing wrote:
Hello, I was just wondering, how did we Bruce get the name Bruce?

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No idea who whiteshirt dude is, but for Bruce Campbell's sake can we just settle for "whiteshirt" or something this time and not another stale "totthe_ark" pun?

Let's call him Bruce.

From the Entry #48 thread.

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Hello first post here! I had previously watched every entry from the first through Indicator a couple months ago, but for some reason or another hadden't kept up with Marble Hornets since then. Today I watched all of the entries since then, and MAN some good stuff has happened since I stopped watching!

(If this has been brought up before please don't slay me I've read most of the episode threads but haven't read the megathread yet). One thing that stood out the most to me from the new (to me) videos was the wicked awesome spectrograph message in Inquiry that said "DO I HELP OR DO I KILL". It's one of the most awesomely hidden clues TTA has given us in the series IMO. One thing that I noticed in Entry #46 is that when Jay is looking through Alex's room, one of the pieces of of paper that he picks up that Alex has scribbled all over has two phrases on it repeated; HELP ME and KILL ME. I'm not sure how strong the connection is (one would expect that if the two were related the TTA video about it would follow the entry, as the TTA videos are mostly reactions to what Jay is currently watching or what is soon to come, but Inquiry well precedes Entry #46 by almost a month in real life time, and is well AFTER the events recorded in that video in in game time) but I thought it was worth noting.

I'm looking forward to participating more in the series as it moves forward! Sadly it seems we're probably close to a season ending though.

EDIT: the more I look at Inquiry the more I think it is directly directed at Alex. It's saying that "you are who you are" and "you are you", implying that at least TTA thinks that he is acting on his own free will in helping Slendy (though conversely the image with the brain is maybe pointing to some degree of mental control?), but then it asks at the end "BUT WHO ARE YOU" and then flashes various characters (maybe people he's "fed" or tried to feed to Slendy? can't make out the characters enough to decide). I think the "BUT WHO ARE YOU" is incriminating. The vibe I'm getting is "you are you, but what kind of a monster are you?"

Tying it all together, I think the DO I HELP OR DO I KILL message is related to Alex as well. TTA is struggling; they/him/it/whatever feel horribly betrayed by Alex to point of just killing him, but they also still remember him as their friend, and still want to try and help him escape from Slendy's grasp.

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Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but new tweet from troy (not sure if I should spoiler this but I will anyway.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"Started shooting the next MH entry this weekend. So close to being done I can feel it. Feels kinda clammy, really."

Could this be confirmation that #52 will be the season finale as many expected?


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^ Probably close but not there yet. I'm thinking there's two more. One to show how Jessica and Jay ended up at the hotel at the end of the seven months and one in present day to set up the season break.

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It could be a twenty minute finale Wink
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