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[SPEC] Oddball theory on Alex
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Lytrigian
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[SPEC] Oddball theory on Alex

Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Silly ark-related theories aside, there must be something to Alex's full name that's significant -- or else why are we told what it is? We don't have anyone else's last name do we? Not even Jay's.

It could be just me, but when I see it written out -- Alex Kralie -- it reminds me rather strongly of Aleister Crowley. The form is broadly similar, and "Aleister" is an assumed name based on "Alisdiar", the Gaelic form of Alexander. I wonder if that's intentional.

If so, there are several things it might imply. Perhaps Alex got all this started by either deliberately or inadvertently summoning something which manifested as The Operator, over which he then lost control -- or maybe he never had control over it -- and instead ended up controlled BY it.

Or, perhaps, something else. Crowley was guided to write his "Book of the Law" by a being he called Aiwass, who he identified as (among other things) his guardian angel. So when we see TO appearing at one of Alex's childhood birthday parties, it wouldn't be too out of line; guardian angels are like that. Crowley described Aiwass as "a tall, dark man... well-knit, active and strong, with the face of a savage king, and eyes veiled lest their gaze should destroy what they saw."

Why would he be pursuing Alex, then? Aiwass found a willing audience in Crowley, but maybe Alex hadn't been so, forcing TO to take stronger measures to secure his attention. It doesn't necessarily explain why TO seems inimical to others, or why Alex seemed to be "feeding" him, except perhaps for magical reasons as yet unrevealed. Crowley too ignored some of Aiwass' more onerous instructions, but if he was pursued because of it I don't know that he ever said so.

Alex does seem to do just about whatever the hell he wants otherwise, consistent with Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" credo.

This is probably nonsense, but it's been bugging me so I thought I'd throw it out there.

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If this is the thread for oddball theories about Alex, I've got a doozy of one:

Alex has been a possession of the Operator since he was a young child, and only interacts with human society to obtain victims for the Operator. Alex's true home is in the forest, with the Operator.

At the end of Entry 22 Alex talks about waking up in "this house" - not his home, otherwise he'd say "my house" or something along those lines - that he had thought running away might help but it made things worse, that he was "getting out of this house" and returning "home". Supposing the house we see Alex recording himself in during Season 1 was not his true home, but a place he lived after running away from the Operator?

We now know that the location in Entry 26 wasn't Alex's home, it was Amy's place. The apartment he's been living in for season 2 is full of his scribbled notes - which include the very bold phrase RETURN HOME, suggesting that perhaps the apartment isn't "home" after all. If the places Alex was living in in seasons 1, 2 and 3 aren't "home", what is?

Note that in Entry 50 Alex just stays in the forest and makes no move to leave.

Here's what I think Alex's life story is:

- Alex is marked by the Operator from a young age and is eventually kidnapped to live in the Operator's realm, which is found deep in the woods or in old, abandoned buildings. It might be another dimension, or it might just be some place.

- Time passes in there and eventually Alex is able to escape. Perhaps he's able to very soon, perhaps he's almost grown up before he does it, but he does. I'm inclined to say that little time passes in the wider world - otherwise his parents would have kicked up a fuss - but from Alex's point of view spends a long amount of time indeed in the Operator's realm, not aging as he does so.

- Although at this point Alex had no conscious recollection of what happened, he feels out of place in the real world. On a subconscious level, he kind of misses the Operator's place, bizarre though it is - it is possible he has been conditioned to miss it in fact.

- Alex begins making his student film, Marble Hornets, in which he uses the film of someone who feels desperately homesick but, when he tries to return home, finds that it is not at all like he expected it to be. It is around this time that the Operator finds him; it is possible that the themes of homesickness in MH attracted the Operator.

- At first Alex is terrified of the Operator, but eventually he realises that the Operator's realm is his true home and he becomes desperate to get back to it - but he must make amends for leaving. He attempts to sacrifice the cast and crew to the Operator, an event which affects them in different ways; some of them are gone for good, stuck in the Operator's place, whilst others (Tim and whoever the Gimp is) escaped - and were able to steal away the secrets of the Operator's powers for themselves, like his teleportation ability.

- The Operator wants to track them down and get them back, but obviously they aren't going to trust Alex. They might, however, trust Jay. Jay is returned to the world with his memory wiped and Alex is prompted to give him the tapes. Alex then "moves away" - returning to the Operator's realm - whilst the Operator waits for the right moment.

- Jay eventually gets around to watching the tapes. He begins his investigation. Unfortunately, Tim and the Gimp are sharper than the Operator gave them credit for and work out what's going on. They hatch their own plan to use Jay to lead them to the Operator's realm, so they can raid it, free the captives, and steal more delicious occult power. They set up a YouTube account (ToTheArk) to give Jay hints, send him anonymous notes sending him to Brian's house, and so on.

- Since the plan has gone wrong, Alex is dispatched on a damage control mission. He becomes acquainted with Amy, and once he is embedded enough in her life to credibly be her distraught boyfriend out to rescue her, the Operator comes and takes her. Alex then has the difficult task of luring Jay into the Operator's clutches on the one hand, but on the other hand finding an opportunity to do so when Tim and the Gimp are close enough that the Operator can snatch them up too. He decided not to press the issue in Entry 50 because he realised Jessica would need to be taken up too.

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device
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Oh, I llke your theory, awakasaurusrex. That's a great take on the idea.


One of my many crackpot theories is that the Operator takes the dead... and makes "changelings".... like in the old fairy tales.

Similar to the old Faerie stories where people would find their children missing, their babies seemingly dead in the cradle... and when they would come back, or come to life again, their personalities would be forever changed.

The people he sends back out into the world look like the ones who went missing, and perhaps have part of their memories, but are really just genetic copies, avatars that carry his will and have a portion of his power.

Perhaps the "Ark" is only a colonization device... much like the original ark.

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Lytrigian
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device wrote:
Perhaps the "Ark" is only a colonization device... much like the original ark.

I really wish people would pay attention to what "ark" really means. It's not what you evidently think.

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Lytrigian wrote:
device wrote:
Perhaps the "Ark" is only a colonization device... much like the original ark.

I really wish people would pay attention to what "ark" really means. It's not what you evidently think.


So then what about the Ark? What do you say it is?

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The problem with that statement is that we not yet been told what the ark means in the context of MH.

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device
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I really wish people would pay attention to what "ark" really means. It's not what you evidently think.


OK, I shouldn't have said "the original ark"... I probably should've said "the most common preconception of what an "ark" is in our culture".

But anyway, I don't necessarily believe that anyway... One of the things I love most about this forum is all the wild speculation that we can indulge in while waiting for the real answers to show.

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czaaaaaa
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I always thought that alex was bound to the operator, and throughout many lifetimes he's had the unfortunate demise to have him follow him everywhere. That's why during entry ##### during the birthday cake distortion, and all of the date flips could of possibly been the dates of Alex's deaths from the Operator.

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smog
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My theory is that Alex is the operator, hes doing the work for slendy, which makes him the person carrying out the operations.

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Lytrigian
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SchwarzeKrieger wrote:
Lytrigian wrote:
device wrote:
Perhaps the "Ark" is only a colonization device... much like the original ark.

I really wish people would pay attention to what "ark" really means. It's not what you evidently think.


So then what about the Ark? What do you say it is?

I love how quickly these things get dragged off-topic.

I don't know what the Ark is. One thing I'm reasonably certain about: it's not the tunnel. It may not even be a physical thing or place. I think it's something Jay found out about in his missing time -- his ORIGINAL missing time, from years before when Alex was shooting MH -- and now can't remember along with a bunch of other things. It would have to do with why he didn't end up like Tim and possibly Brian, and it's why they thought at one time that Jay would be able to lead them to it. Only, he can't. Not without having his memory somehow jogged.

As Entry 13/Exit suggests, TTA (or a person who would become TTA) was around before Jay's time went missing. So Jay would have been among the last to "go", and may have been the only one to recover to a semblance of normalcy. From 15 we know that Tim has periods of normalcy himself -- we don't know how much of his time is spend as Masky -- but Alex reacts to him and Jay in very different ways, so something about Tim is fundamentally different. Tim (and anyone else who's part of TTA) would probably like it not to be. The Ark may be their recovery. But I don't really know.

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My turn for an oddball theory, even though I'm pretty sure I read it in the original thread for the video. TO is actually some sort of strange imaginary/wish gone wrong. This is why TO shows up right after Alex blows up the birthday candles. IT WAS HIS BIRTHDAY WISH!

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More oddball Amy has the possible amy r. k. being the ark we are looking but she is gone. Jessica and Jay are brother and sister. Tim and Brian were having lovers quarrel on side. Sarah ran off with Seth because they got warned from Bruce who is alive somewhere. Slenderman has a pony named the Slendermane who watches people bro hoof on vlogs.

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Tharol wrote:
More oddball Amy has the possible amy r. k. being the ark we are looking but she is gone. Jessica and Jay are brother and sister. Tim and Brian were having lovers quarrel on side. Sarah ran off with Seth because they got warned from Bruce who is alive somewhere. Slenderman has a pony named the Slendermane who watches people bro hoof on vlogs.


yep

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*facepalm* please stick theories we both know won't turn out to be true in the season 2 thread, not one theory topic has done anything but dissapoint me

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Lytrigian
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pravado wrote:
*facepalm* please stick theories we both know won't turn out to be true in the season 2 thread, not one theory topic has done anything but dissapoint me

We both know it? Do tell.

I express myself in uncertain terms because I'm honest, not because I think my ideas are any more unlikely than anyone else's.

Zarggg wrote:
The problem with that statement is that we not yet been told what the ark means in the context of MH.

You're right; we haven't. We have only the word itself to go on. Trouble is, it's ambiguous - which makes it great for something like this.

The ambiguity is thanks to the translators of the Latin Vulgate Old Testament, who chose to translate two different Hebrew words as "arca", meaning box or container. It's the Latin "arca" that gives us "ark" in English.

The one word, tebhath, is used on only two occasions: the first is Noah's Ark, the other is the chest in which Moses was set afloat on the Nile as an infant. It seems to mean "chest" -- which is how the Septaguint translates it in the latter case -- but specifically one that floats? Maybe? Or perhaps it relates to things made of wicker. No one really knows.

The other word, aron, is used for the Ark of the Covenant and other similar objects that are clearly chests. In the modern day, you can still find such arks. One example is in Jewish synagogues: the Ark is the cabinet in which the Torah scrolls are stored. The other is in Eastern Orthodox (e.g. Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox) churches, where the Ark is a small receptacle for the reserved sacrament. It sits inside the tabernacles kept upon the altars.

No, it's not clear which sense is meant in this context. However, the only thing properly called an "ark" that you can find nowadays in any other context is not a ship of any kind, but a container. Specifically, a container found within a sanctuary for the purpose of safeguarding something sacred or holy. That was also the purpose of the Ark of the Covenant: it contained the Tablets of the Law, and perhaps Aaron's rod that budded and a jar of mana, and it was kept in the Holy of Holies in the original Tabernacle, and then the Temple.

Even though there hasn't been a whiff of religion in this so far, I can't help but think that the main meaning of "ark" in MH is at least as likely to be related to this as anything else.

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