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[SPEC] Kralie's Marble Hornets: The Production From Hell
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ieisuk wrote:
I feel like your theory actually falls apart at 52, why would the operator go straight to Jay? Honestly, I believe that Jess was not mindwiped, but the screaming was actually something involving Tim, with him silencing her and quite possibly explaining a plan for her to keep Jay safe after his encounter with TO. Tim obviously had done something to Jess and knew the combo, so I think this is something that we will not know at all until the end of it all.
So you're implying that Jessica faked her memory loss?
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 		Interesting, but I have a problem with the chronology.

According to your theory, Entry #51 (Alex working with the Operator) would come before Entry #7 (Alex fleeing the Operator). But Brian is in #7, showing no signs of having been eaten by any tall men.

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 		Re: [SPEC] Kralie's Marble Hornets: The Production From Hell
A comprehensive theory that examines the entirety of the series thus far
Radiolab Hope wrote:
Xicon wrote:
From that point on, Alex begins to try and run from the Operator. The majority of the tapes we see in season 1 are from this phase. Entry #1, Entry #4 and Entry #10 all present situations where Alex appears to be running from the Operator. What's more, they are all significant in that there is no audio in them.

Why is the lack of audio significant? Well, look at our other Operator encounters. In very, very few of them does he appear unaccompanied with auditory distortion - Entry #5 is particularly notorious in this (granted there are no confirmed or blatant Operator sightings, but the implication is his presence). Why then would the Operator's presence in these three entries result in no sound at all?

Well Jay gives us the answer - it is possible it was removed later. The implication is of course that they were removed by Alex, and indeed that is the only viable solution. Why, then, would Alex remove them? Perhaps for the same reason he hides tapes? It is not too much of a stretch to imagine Alex shouting something along the lines of "LEAVE ME ALONE, I'M DONE WITH YOU" or something to that effect as the Operator continues to stalk him. And that is why Alex removed the audio - he did not want to be heard saying those things because, like the hidden tapes, they are incriminating.


Some of the audio of Entry 10 was posted in a TTA video (I forget which one) and there was nothing interesting in it. TTA would surely have selected a juicier bit than the mere sound of running feet. I consider Entry 4 to have been very early, a part of the "curious Alex" stage with Entry 2.


I almost thought Xicon was onto something there, but this suggests otherwise. I think it's worth suggesting that when these particular entries were being posted, the guys probably had no idea that the series was going in the direction that it's currently in. For all we know, the audio isn't there because that just makes it mysterious and ominous.

Anyways, overall this is a pretty good theory! I'd bet you've definitely figured some stuff out correctly, unless they really pull out some nonsense. Although, I'd have to disagree about enttry #37. While we know that footage has been tampered with, I don't think TTA would go as far as to edit The Operator into it. It was definitely a nod to the original Slenderman stories, but I think it still must play a huge part that we aren't aware of yet. It's very interesting, because in the beginning Alex seemed genuinely unaware of what he had come into contact with.

I also don't think he was killed by that gunshot. It certainly adds up with Tim going back to normalcy, but it just puts season 3 in an awkward spot. Alex isn't just the antagonist/anti-hero of this series, but he's also the MacGuffin. We still need to find out what exactly he's been up to, and I think he needs to be alive for that to happen. I also just don't think getting shot in a scuffle with Masky would be a proper demise for Alex.

Other than those two things, I can't find any reason to say this isn't totally possible. I kind of hope it isn't, just so that when they do a big reveal it's all like WTF IS THIS OMG.

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 		I'll speculate tomorrow. Great write up though.

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 		Good summary. But: how does the entry from S1 with The Operator intruding into Alex bedroom, the blood, the puppet, fit into all this??

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Xicon had an epic theory and in it he wrote:
Entry #44 seems to suggest that Alex is losing grip on his sanity - the drawings return, he appears to have some Slendersickness side effects, and he sits in strange places. Then the Operator teleports in, and presumably teleports Alex out to some unknown location. This is a somewhat odd occurrence, as we had just seen what appeared to be a preordained meeting between the two. In this case, I think either the Operator had some use for Alex of which the sleeping murderer was unaware, or that the Operator has more sinister plans than Alex dares to think.


There's a detail in here that was noticed that never really got resolved. Prior to the Operator clearly showing up in the corner of the bedroom, there's a point where Alex is sitting and gazing/entranced at nothing. While he's doing this, a shadow of movement (presumably human movement) crosses over him. Who or what this was has never been established.

However, if it was (as I have suspected) some member of TTA, why didn't they just rocksmash/tackle him right then?

Great theory anyway, although I think the enttry 37 bit is a little bit of a stretch. Also, I'm in the camp that suggests that entry 29 is a bit of a non-linear time moment between Entry 52 and 27.

EDIT: also, there was a twitter that happened somewhere just before 52 or something like that where Jay said he fell asleep in a hotel and when he woke up, the room door was open. Nothing missing, but still sinister. Any room for alt!Jay personality scenerios in this?
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 		I'll try to address some concerns here.

Regarding Alex not being dead: You guys have managed to sway me from "definitely dead" to "possibly dead", however I would like to posit that even if he IS alive, the theory still works. Tim left Alex for dead, as he was definitely wounded if not killed by the gunshot. Tim THOUGHT Alex was dead, which is enough to trigger the change in Tim that we saw at the very end of #52. I like the idea of the Operator nursing him back to health, so to speak, as someone said earlier.

Someone also pointed out that Alex is the MacGuffin for the series, and I definitely agree with that, however I would like to point out this: our current point of entry for Season 3 is Jay following Tim. Alex isn't really involved. He's been removed from the game via wounding or death. Is it possible he'll make a return? Yes - but Alex doesn't need to be present. He may be some unattainable goal that drives Jay into investigating, but even without him the series can function. Season 1 was about Marble Hornets. Season 2 was about Alex. Season 3? My bet is the Operator. Season 3 is about getting down to what that thing is, what it wants, and how it gets what it wants.

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According to your theory, Entry #51 (Alex working with the Operator) would come before Entry #7 (Alex fleeing the Operator). But Brian is in #7, showing no signs of having been eaten by any tall men.


Not at all, #7 could easily come before #51, during the phase when Alex was still paranoid and frightened by the Operator. Sometime between then and #51, Alex and the Operator have a nice little chat, perhaps over tea or coffee, and then decide to start tormenting the MH cast members. Enter #51.

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As far as I'm aware Jay's first known direct encounter with the Operator was during the course of Entry 19, as shown in Return.


Alright, that still works - I had forgotten about it though - because it's still after Entry #18.

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Some of the audio of Entry 10 was posted in a TTA video (I forget which one) and there was nothing interesting in it. TTA would surely have selected a juicier bit than the mere sound of running feet. I consider Entry 4 to have been very early, a part of the "curious Alex" stage with Entry 2.


Hmm, I'm not sure what to make of this. I don't remember hearing about that (I didn't start following it until sometime after that entry). Are we sure that that the audio was a match?

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There's a detail in here that was noticed that never really got resolved. Prior to the Operator clearly showing up in the corner of the bedroom, there's a point where Alex is sitting and gazing/entranced at nothing. While he's doing this, a shadow of movement (presumably human movement) crosses over him. Who or what this was has never been established.

However, if it was (as I have suspected) some member of TTA, why didn't they just rocksmash/tackle him right then?

Great theory anyway, although I think the enttry 37 bit is a little bit of a stretch. Also, I'm in the camp that suggests that entry 29 is a bit of a non-linear time moment between Entry 52 and 27.


As for the hand: No idea whatsoever. Creepy as hell to be sure, but I have no idea what it could be. My only thought is that it is some manifestation of the Operator, because if it was a TTA member they WOULD have killed his ass right there.

enntry 37 and Entry #29 are honestly things I cannot answer in any way, and if there is any theory that can assimilate them flawlessly I would kiss their feet - these entries seem so disconnected with our current information. I don't like the non-linear time moment theory mostly because of a discontinuity with the tapes getting into the safe, and that to name the file "noentry" and hiding it on the hard drive is a very deliberate action, not the sort of thing I could see being done with the Operator present.

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also, there was a twitter that happened somewhere just before 52 or something like that where Jay said he fell asleep in a hotel and when he woke up, the room door was open. Nothing missing, but still sinister. Any room for alt!Jay personality scenerios in this?


Definitely no to the alternate Jay personality scenarios, mostly because part of the reason I wrote this theory is to prove the viability of normal psychological function as an explanation - I feel like the whole multiple personalities thing is done far too often and far too poorly in horror, and I don't want Marble Hornets to take that cop out.

As for the open door, I do have an explanation for that! The events off entry #52, as Punxtr pointed out, should have been one of the first things Jay watched after waking up, as these tapes are in his chest cam and handheld when he wakes up, right? Nope! The theory is that Tim found Jay and Jessica's hotel rooms, creeped his way in there and found them not long after the Operator encounter, when the tapes weren't recording due to the interference he caused. Trying to find the evidence of his (attempted) murder of Alex, he grabs the tapes still in the camera - but Jay had already put the Alex-murder tapes in the safe, so Tim makes off with just the Hotel footage. The open door is a member of TTA (probably Hoody) returning the last tape to Jay so he can make sense of everything - after all, TTA this season has been encouraging us to keep going - "THIS IS THE BEST PART" and all that.
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Xicon wrote:
As for the open door, I do have an explanation for that!


Actually my facts were wrong, the "present day" open door event happened between posting of #50 & #51. Just FYI.
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12th wrote:
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As for the open door, I do have an explanation for that!


Actually my facts were wrong, the "present day" open door event happened between posting of #50 & #51. Just FYI.


Yeah I know, I still think they put the Last tape there.
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 		how would you explain the twitter images that happened days apart (before season 2 started) from masky/tta saying "wake up" if the night before entry 27 was slenderman wiping their memories?

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how would you explain the twitter images that happened days apart (before season 2 started) from masky/tta saying "wake up" if the night before entry 27 was slenderman wiping their memories?

As irrelevant. (I know I know, I don't like this either, but that's the only explanation)

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 		I dont buy the "Tim wanted to kill jay to get rid of the evidence" part. it sorta falls apart at that, for me.

If you look at 33, tim doesn't really attack jay. He goes at him, sure, tries to be all scary. But he doesnt rush in until after jay's gotten all the tapes, and when he does rush in, he just slaps him. He doesnt bring a knife, like he did at the encounter with alex- he just tries to scare him off. And he only does THAT when jay stands up and turns around, indicating he had all the tapes.

Despite all the jokes, i really doubt tim is THAT incompetent.

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I dont buy the "Tim wanted to kill jay to get rid of the evidence" part. it sorta falls apart at that, for me.

If you look at 33, tim doesn't really attack jay. He goes at him, sure, tries to be all scary. But he doesnt rush in until after jay's gotten all the tapes, and when he does rush in, he just slaps him. He doesnt bring a knife, like he did at the encounter with alex- he just tries to scare him off. And he only does THAT when jay stands up and turns around, indicating he had all the tapes.

Despite all the jokes, i really doubt tim is THAT incompetent.


I think the reasons you just stated actually strengthen the idea that Tim was after the tapes. He attacks Jay after seeing he had the tapes - after being sure that Jay had them all and that there weren't still tapes in the safe.
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Xicon wrote:
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I dont buy the "Tim wanted to kill jay to get rid of the evidence" part. it sorta falls apart at that, for me.

If you look at 33, tim doesn't really attack jay. He goes at him, sure, tries to be all scary. But he doesnt rush in until after jay's gotten all the tapes, and when he does rush in, he just slaps him. He doesnt bring a knife, like he did at the encounter with alex- he just tries to scare him off. And he only does THAT when jay stands up and turns around, indicating he had all the tapes.

Despite all the jokes, i really doubt tim is THAT incompetent.


I think the reasons you just stated actually strengthen the idea that Tim was after the tapes. He attacks Jay after seeing he had the tapes - after being sure that Jay had them all and that there weren't still tapes in the safe.


But he doesnt come armed. And when he DOES attack, he only SLAPS him. He doesnt grab him, or throw him down like he's done SEVERAL times with alex, (and with his leg broken, too,) he just slaps at him and chases after him, making spooky sounds on the tape. I think whatever masky's in it for is much bigger than "KILL JAY HE'S ON TO US," or he would've come armed, just like he did in 35.

Bitch slaps aren't an effective manner of murder, which is why the community realized shit was getting real when he DID come armed in 35.

masky makes it VERY VERY clear when he wants to kill someone.

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 		I didn't say that Tim wanted to kill Jay, just attack him to get the evidence.
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