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[SPEC] Kralie's Marble Hornets: The Production From Hell
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loboguerrero wrote:

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ALEXGORDON wrote:

Does it hold any significance that Jay clearly teleported when he was running away from Tim back at the hotel? When he exited his hotel room door into the hall way, he was suddenly much further down the hall than his room usually is.

If we assume that The Operator caused the teleportation, then doesn't that support the theory that Tim was trying to rush Jay out of the hotel? As the teleporting would be enough of a hint to the viewer that he is present.

Or we can assume that TTA have some weird supernatural powers, and the teleporting we saw back at the old house and here was caused by him. Maybe that was just his way of, again, rushing Jay out of the hotel?

It doesn't look like he teleported at all there, there's just a video glitch (not the usual Operator distortion either) as he runs down the hall.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=798652#798652

That post explains it, but it's pretty clear that there's some teleportation there. Whether that's IG or OOG is unknown though.

The only thing those pictures demonstrate is that they are staying in different rooms for the filming of Entry #33; the room beyond the second fire extinguisher is even different.

It's definitely not teleportation at any rate; the shot is fluid, and Jay comes straight out of the door into the hallway. It's likely a limitation of filming, as pravado said, and they couldn't get the same two rooms for whatever reason.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:18 pm

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loboguerrero wrote:

ALEXGORDON wrote:

Yeah, I don't like the idea of Alex being dead either. I was thinking that the gunshot was a miss and The Operator saved Alex at the last second, then went to Jay and Jessica's rooms and not necessarily attacked, but wiped their memories clean. Why? Because, let's suppose that you're right and The Operator, for whatever reason, needs someone else to do the killing for him. Alex is his only hope for that, and Jay seeing Alex as a friend rather than an enemy would make Jay and Jessica so much easier to dispose of.

But if this were the case, and the Operator mind-wiped them so that Alex could kill them later, then why has Jay had no encounters with Alex since waking up from the hotel?

Good question, but simple answer. Alex is either 1 - still injured; too injured to do anything. Or 2 - Was unable to find Jay. Remember that Jay stated that he has been moving around and traveling from hotel to hotel and intentionally laying low this whole time for the sole purpose of not being found by anyone.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:33 pm

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Xicon wrote:

loboguerrero wrote:

Xicon wrote:

ALEXGORDON wrote:

It doesn't look like he teleported at all there, there's just a video glitch (not the usual Operator distortion either) as he runs down the hall.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=798652#798652

That post explains it, but it's pretty clear that there's some teleportation there. Whether that's IG or OOG is unknown though.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded part...

However, as I said, it could've been that they couldn't get the same two rooms, but I tend to think that's unlikely. As we've seen, Troy doesn't mind waiting to make entries better, and I don't think he'd leave something this big in an entry.

As for it "definitely not [being] teleportation" because the shot is fluid, I'm not understanding the connection there. The other instances of teleportation that we've seen have all been fluid.

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:44 pm

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loboguerrero wrote:

Xicon wrote:

loboguerrero wrote:

Xicon wrote:

ALEXGORDON wrote:

It doesn't look like he teleported at all there, there's just a video glitch (not the usual Operator distortion either) as he runs down the hall.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=798652#798652

That post explains it, but it's pretty clear that there's some teleportation there. Whether that's IG or OOG is unknown though.

If you look beyond fire extinguisher #2, the hallway opens up into a large room. In Entry #33, the room behind that fire extinguisher is completely different.

The other instances of teleportation thus far have only looked fluid, but frame-by-frame analysis shows a decisive point where the clips have been spliced together to create the teleportation effect. That is not present in Entry #33.

They wouldn't make something as important as teleporting to a different hotel room while being chased by Masky so subtle; it would be a blatant thing. They don't make this series for us, they make it for the average internet user who can follow it WITHOUT frame-by-frame analysis of every little detail.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:48 pm

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ALEXGORDON wrote:

loboguerrero wrote:

ALEXGORDON wrote:

But if this were the case, and the Operator mind-wiped them so that Alex could kill them later, then why has Jay had no encounters with Alex since waking up from the hotel?

Yes, but people have always been able to find Jay. So either Jay's hiding skills have greatly improved, or Alex/the Operator's seeking skills have greatly deteriorated, which seems unlikely to me.

But I suppose Alex could still be incapacitated from his injury. In a coma or something similar. Which would also help explain why Tim is just living a normal life (or so the end of #52 makes it seem). Because he no longer has to worry about Alex, at least for the time being.

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:55 pm

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Xicon wrote:

loboguerrero wrote:

Xicon wrote:

loboguerrero wrote:

Xicon wrote:

ALEXGORDON wrote:

It doesn't look like he teleported at all there, there's just a video glitch (not the usual Operator distortion either) as he runs down the hall.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=798652#798652

That post explains it, but it's pretty clear that there's some teleportation there. Whether that's IG or OOG is unknown though.

Huh. I never noticed that. I don't think that necessarily means there wasn't teleportation. Once again, it could be due to OOG circumstances, or due to teleportation. OOG, it could be that they couldn't get the same rooms. But Troy's blog implied that they filmed all of the hotel scenes at one time. JKatina's post in the thread I linked to goes into more detail, I'll quote it here to make things easier.

JKatina wrote:

Certain things posted on Troy's blog have suggested that they did most, perhaps all, of the filming for the hotel ahead of time. Things like "we have tons of footage for the next few entries that just needs to be edited together" posted in mid-December, and "With the posting of Entry #33, we have pretty much exhausted our current stash of raw footage" posted just recently. If that doesn't imply that they did the hotel scenes all in one go -- and I really believe they did -- then at least it implies that they had enough time in the interim to go back and correct such an elementary mistake. They are taking this season more seriously than the last all-around, evident again in Troy's blog, so I really, really can't see them leaving in such a hotly suggestive mistake.

But OOG, they could have purposely gone to a different part of the building (as you pointed out, the door leads to a room that doesn't even look similar to the other one) to make it more apparent that there was teleportation.

Also, in regards to the second part of your post: obviously the other instances of teleportation couldn't be completely fluid, as the creators don't actually possess the power of teleportation. So the splicing had to be done in order to give the illusion of fluidity. But with this instance, they could have filmed all the hotel footage up to Entry #33 in one part of the building, and then filmed Entry #33 (or at least the chase scene) in a different part of the hotel.

And I don't really think it's that subtle. If you're paying attention to the surroundings, you'd probably notice something was amiss.

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:22 pm

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Xicon wrote:

Your thoughts on how the series would send off Alex are OOG considerations that cannot be considered as evidence for an IG explanation.

What does "OOG" and "IG" mean?

Is that like "out of game" and "in game" or something?

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:01 am

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onetruepurple wrote:

ieightnine wrote:

how would you explain the twitter images that happened days apart (before season 2 started) from masky/tta saying "wake up" if the night before entry 27 was slenderman wiping their memories?

As irrelevant. (I know I know, I don't like this either, but that's the only explanation)

This doesn't have to be case. Masky being able to predict what was going to happen with a week of anticipation could be considered a plothole, but this works if we don't take Masky's words literally. One of the pictures seems to spell "Wake up"; this might not be a reference to Jay getting mind raped the day prior and then waking up with amnesia, but a reference to Jay still not realizing that Alex was dangerous, homicidal even. That picture went up on November 16th, whereas entry #27 was uploaded on November 23th. For all we know, Masky could've uploaded the picture right after entry #50, assuming the dates between this entry #52 are not that far apart.

TL;DR Masky was not referring to the night of entry #52 but something else. Sorry if this came out as a bit of a rant.

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:35 am

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Vinny wrote:

Xicon wrote:

Your thoughts on how the series would send off Alex are OOG considerations that cannot be considered as evidence for an IG explanation.

What does "OOG" and "IG" mean?

Is that like "out of game" and "in game" or something?

Exactly that. OOG refers to considerations regarding the filming or writing of the series, or information given by the show's creators. IG refers to considerations within the world of the series.

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:39 am

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Biohazard80 wrote:

I still believe that the threatening TTA vdeos are for the most part directed toward Alex and that the videos directed toward Jay are either guiding or warning. The fact that Alex confirmed that he keeps up to date with Jays entries seems to make this more plausible in my mind. While I'm on the subject, I find it highly likely that Alex was injured during the gun debacle with Tim considering the Timeline proximity of Entry 52 and Fragments. This would mean that Alex is still alive. In fact, I'm gunna outright state that Fragments proves without a doubt in my mind that Alex is alive considering the obvious direction toward Alex and tone of the response.

Thinking about this, pretty much all the TTA videos that reference Alex since S2 began are convincing me that Alex is still alive. If he isn't, and TTA knew it, there would be no reason for either the threatening videos that seem to be directed towards Alex or the videos directed at Jay telling him not to trust Alex, like Sidetone (it is Sidetone, yes? With Alex's voicemail?)

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:46 am

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:15 am

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