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Marble Hornets Symbology
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shenhai
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 		Marble Hornets Symbology
Discussing the symbols that show up in the entries and totheark vids, and what they might mean.
Okay guys. It has come to my attention that there is not a symbols thread for MarbleHornets that is currently in operation. This needs to be fixed, as a TON of MH questions are about symbols. Here is my fixing it. Voila.

My main query has to do with the terminal sigma (or stigma, or weird zeta, if you will). Here's all the info I've compiled so far about it.

1) The word "sigma" translates to "hiss".
2) The terminal sigma is a phoenetic symbol for the sound "sh".
3) The stigma is used as a numerical for "6".
4) A "stigma" is a badge of cowardice or shame.

I haven't looked much into the zeta theory, because I personally think it's a sigma. It might be a stigma, but the configuration of the letter is a little bit off. Then again, that could just be typeface differences.

In any case, please post theories about ANY symbols you find in MH or totheark. If we can figure these out, they might give us a better clue as to what's going on.

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SecretPerson wrote:
The sigma is from the shirt that Tim wears in Entry #9. I suppose it was his way of "signing" the Program video.

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SecretPerson wrote:
The sigma is from the shirt that Tim wears in Entry #9. I suppose it was his way of "signing" the Program video.

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 		Even though Troseph has stated that Season 1 was pretty off-the-cuff, I still feel like there has to be more to all the old, cryptic TTA vids than has been explored as of yet. There has to have been more thought put into them than just "Oh hey, this would look creepy and cool. Let's do it!" Those things are just begging for an in-depth symbological analysis...

For instance - water. How many times does water show up, especially in the TTA vids (Impurity, Program, Messages, Broadcast)? How does it relate to the symbolism of fire (Brian's picture of a burning forest, Jay's apartment being burned down, Slendy's supposed "backstory," even the lighter in Alex's secret compartment), if at all? And that's just the first thing that comes to my mind.

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MistrPibb
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 		I'm pretty sure the two forward slashes in a few TTA videos are alluding to the 'pound' sign on a telephone.

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'//' plus '=' equals #.


I dunno, that's really all I can think of.

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shenhai
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SecretPerson wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:
The sigma is from the shirt that Tim wears in Entry #9. I suppose it was his way of "signing" the Program video.


Just watched that episode again. What seems to be an "s" on Tim's shirt is actually a full circle with a tail on it. I don't think it has any particular significance.



(sorry it's not very big, but you can definitely see the connection of the blue)

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pharaohshadow
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shenhai wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:
SecretPerson wrote:
The sigma is from the shirt that Tim wears in Entry #9. I suppose it was his way of "signing" the Program video.


Just watched that episode again. What seems to be an "s" on Tim's shirt is actually a full circle with a tail on it. I don't think it has any particular significance.



(sorry it's not very big, but you can definitely see the connection of the blue)


I have to agree with you, shenhai. That doesn't look like the same symbol at all to me.

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 		its a shirt with a monkey on it. tim actually got angry that people made a big deal out of it and made it out to have meaning or something.

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pravado wrote:
its a shirt with a monkey on it. tim actually got angry that people made a big deal out of it and made it out to have meaning or something.


This. He simply liked the shirt.

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 		Re: Marble Hornets Symbology
Discussing the symbols that show up in the entries and totheark vids, and what they might mean.
shenhai wrote:
1) The word "sigma" translates to "hiss".

Actually, the word "sigma" signifies nothing more than the 18th letter of the Greek alphabet (Σ). The name is not Greek, but was taken from the name of the Phoenician letter samekh (𐤎). There was some confusion when the Greeks imported sibilant letters, so the shape of the sigma is actually derived from the Phoenician shin (𐤔), not samekh. The shape of samekh is ancestral to Greek xi (Ξ).

There's a theory that the name is related to Greek "σίζω", "hiss", but that seems to be a bit of a stretch.
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2) The terminal sigma is a phoenetic symbol for the sound "sh".

No it isn't. The IPA symbol for a voiceless palato-alveolar fricative looks like an integral sign: ʃ. The word-terminal form of sigma looks very different (ς) The IPA symbol most closely resembling it (ʕ) does not represent "sh".
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3) The stigma is used as a numerical for "6".

Stigma (ϛ) is a different letter from sigma, an obsolete ligature of lowercase sigma (σ) and tau (τ). In modern Greek one simply writes "στ". The origin of its name is fairly transparent. It is indeed a numerical 6, taking over that role from the obsolete letter digamma, which it closely resembles in script form.
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4) A "stigma" is a badge of cowardice or shame.

"Stigma" signifies "mark" or "brand" in general, such as you might use to mark cattle.

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pharaohshadow
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 		Does anyone remember off the top of their head in which videos the "s-like" symbol has appeared? My thinking is that there might be something in common between them.

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shenhai
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pharaohshadow wrote:
Does anyone remember off the top of their head in which videos the "s-like" symbol has appeared? My thinking is that there might be something in common between them.


It shows up in Program, and apparently there's something s-shaped on one of the wooden poles in the tower in Entry #21. I could swear that it shows up in another totheark video, but I can't remember which one, and I haven't had time to go through them all again. It had something to do with water, though.

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pharaohshadow
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 		It shows up in Advocate too (just looked it up). Maybe you're thinking of water because of the rippling effect going on in that video?

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pharaohshadow wrote:
It shows up in Advocate too (just looked it up). Maybe you're thinking of water because of the rippling effect going on in that video?


Both of the videos that have the "S" symbol (whose meaning I won't pretend to know) have the same binary clock puzzle, which we've had trouble with the actual meaning of. Program seems to be a key and Advocate seems to be the ciphertext, but the solution we got out translated to "YAMA" which has no easy meaning. Yama is the name of an Indian god of death, but with no other Indian influence in the game, this seems unlikely to be the real solution. "You Are My Ark" has also been suggested, though it seems about as likely as any other set of four words with those letters, including "Your arm, my @$$" which implies that TTA does want to.... work rather closely with Jay, I suppose.

So we haven't made any sort of meaningful solution, but the symbol does form a clear link between the two videos, therefore linking the puzzle together.
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TheBioGuy wrote:

Yama is the name of an Indian god of death, but with no other Indian influence in the game, this seems unlikely to be the real solution. "You Are My Ark" has also been suggested, though it seems about as likely as any other set of four words with those letters, including "Your arm, my @$$" which implies that TTA does want to.... work rather closely with Jay, I suppose.


Oh my god, TBG, you can't just do that! I was eating and I just snorted bread out my nose from laughing so hard.

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I've always thought the "You Are My Ark" theory is terrible and sounds like something out of a bad fanfiction.


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