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[SPEC] The flood's parasitic nature
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wheel85
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 		[SPEC] The flood's parasitic nature
Due to following the ilovebees game, the imminent release of Halo 2 and my recent replaying of the original Halo, I was moved to read more about the Halo story, and the sort of speculations made way back when (over a year ago actually, back when we all had scurvy, sqaure wheels and unsliced bread).

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I came upon this thread, some speculations about cortana having rather, how would you say, uncomfortable similarities to our good friend melissa.

A flea, so much the essence of a parasite that the naming is perhaps so obvious perhaps it's immediate sibling in the haloverse, the flood, may have been overlooked as the source.

Could Cortana, or the Truth and Reconciliation, have started the spread of the next evolution of the flood into computer virus'? Something received by the Apocalypso.

As to why he's pious....pff, no idea.
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 		Just thought I'd mention that the Flea calls itself "Seeker". Whether or not that supports what you said I have no idea.
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 		this theory actually goes way back to week one in July, so... sorry man... its trout
there's really no evidence to support the flea being Covenant or Flood or anything... the only thing we have to go on is the (Forerunner) artifact on the ship, but nothing at all even links THAT to him (and we don't know even if its forerunner)

my biggest problem with the flood being part of ILB at all, is that the flood seem to only possess rudimentary intelligence, i mean, they can aim a gun at you, or even repair a ship, but their actions tend toward self-preservation and advancing their genetic dominance, i think that creating a computer virus is a bit too forward-thinking for them, they'd rather just swarm your ship and take over
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 		343 Guilty Spark says (during Halo) that biological lifeforms are susceptible to Flood infection, whereas he himself is not susceptible to the Flood. There's nothing in Halo that would indicate that non-biological systems are infectable by the Flood.

Of course, this leaves the possibility wide open - if the Flood can use Captain Keyes to operate a starship... what if they captured someone who can operate the "cognitive impression mapping" thing that makes Smart AIs? The Flood could sacrifice an infected host to use its brain as an AI.

However, the Pious Flea does not appear to be Flood in origin. There's nothing to suggest that the Apocalypso was anywhere near Halo or had any contact with the Flood. The Flea either came from a Covenant transmission, or he was planted by someone working for Standish.

Melissa wrote:
I ran another diagnostic. Came back fine, again. Nothing wrong, just a stutter of lag once in a while.

Didnt feel right to me.

That feeling that everything is still in the room, nothing's been stolen, but things arent exactly where you left them.

"Captain Greene," I said. "Things arent quite right."

She waited for me to explain.

"I have the sense that things are being... moved around."

"Like a virus?" she asked.

I shook my head no, I didnt feel sick. Then nodded, yes. An intruder, something inhabiting the system.

"What do you think, Melissa?"

"I might be compromised," I said to her.

"I still want to know what you think. When could it have been introduced?"

"The Covenant transmission?"

"Maybe they suspect were monitoring them."

"A virus piggybacking," she said. "Could they do that? Their systems are so much different than ours."

"Weve reversed engineered their systems," I said. "And they have clearly reverse engineered some of ours."

"Have you done anything out of character?" she asked.

"Not yet," I said. I hoped it was true.

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wheel85
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 		Hm, sounds fairly unconvincing then. The only thing is, if the flood's main goal was simply self-preservation, then finding new life forms to attach themselves to (hm, !attach?), this program may have been written by a flood-infected human/covie to find these lifeforms, so "seeker" sounds quite appropriate. Obviously it's goal would be to look for the lifeform, analyze it's usefulness as a host, and then report back on it's location. Or in flea terms, to seek, behold, and reveal.

Pure [SPEC] of course, but i thought it was interesting. Could the truth and reconcilliation (under flood control) have sent the virus to other cov ships, or to human ships, which would then piggyback its way on all their messages? The origin of the covenant message the Apocalypso gets could have contained this virus.

The flea doesnt neccessarily need to be a result of a smart AI, does it? I'm not too adapt with Halo backstory and lore.

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wheel85 wrote:
Hm, sounds fairly unconvincing then. The only thing is, if the flood's main goal was simply self-preservation, then finding new life forms to attach themselves to (hm, !attach?), this program may have been written by a flood-infected human/covie to find these lifeforms, so "seeker" sounds quite appropriate. Obviously it's goal would be to look for the lifeform, analyze it's usefulness as a host, and then report back on it's location. Or in flea terms, to seek, behold, and reveal.

Pure [SPEC] of course, but i thought it was interesting. Could the truth and reconcilliation (under flood control) have sent the virus to other cov ships, or to human ships, which would then piggyback its way on all their messages? The origin of the covenant message the Apocalypso gets could have contained this virus.

The flea doesnt neccessarily need to be a result of a smart AI, does it? I'm not too adapt with Halo backstory and lore.


No, the Flea doesn't seem like a smart AI at all. But the Flood theory assumes quite a lot - the Flood would have to design an AI somehow, then get it on board one of the downed Covenant cruisers and transmit it on an encoded message, before Master Chief blew Halo to bits.
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the Flood would have to design an AI somehow, then get it on board one of the downed Covenant cruisers and transmit it on an encoded message, before Master Chief blew Halo to bits.


True, however the transmission could have been made by the Truth and Reconciliation at any time while under flood control, which was quite a while. Considering the forerunners were so scared of the flood's ability to spread throughout such a massive region of space that they went to the effort of creating a number of Halos to stop them (with extreme prejudice), it would seem that they really are capable of such staggering feats of self-preservation. The forerunners were so scared of underestimating the flood that they went for overkill with the Halos, so maybe we should consider them with a similar paranoia.

Maybe not.

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 		It's possible for the flood to interface with computer systems and starship AI, as referenced here

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the brain form is passive in a tactical sense. When the Flood attempt to control a starship or interface with a computer system....

...It interfaces with computers the same way an Infection Form infects a host, through tendrils that attach [!attach Shocked] themselves to the computer's "neural" system....


Of course, if the flood theory to be confirmed that means there is a rather large puffy sack of flesh whever ILB is stored, and it has not only taken of a technician but is ruffling through the ILB servers.

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