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[Val-u-save]

IF Vince is orchestrating all of this, and IF Vince posted the videos, then I would assume that he made the whole "Running from Slendy and puking blood" video in HALLOWEEN HANGOVER himself, with some other friend stepping in as Slendy. That's why the Slendy there looks bad, and that's why the blood was there (IMO): to show himself as a victim. I apologize if this theory has already been stated, and I do realize that those are some gigantic "if"s up there.

[Cougar Draven]

[arcanadei]

If Vinnie is not the mastermind behind all this then surely it is Sparky. He faked his own death to throw off your suspicious, and it worked perfectly.

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[Cougar Draven]

[AngryDeepground]

Not sure if it's important, but the close up camera that Evan can see is a minute ahead of the distant camera.

EDIT: It's at one very specific point in the video aproximentaly 6:08.

EDIT 2: The second Vince said they are going to search for cameras a third cam starts with fresh time as if HABIT planed to have that cam start if Evan found one.

[Ouroborus]

Quick question on the "rules broken/outside help" stuff.

That was a rule for the Rabbits, right? Was this really something for the guys, or a punishment for the remaining rabbits?

[tijde]

Is the font in this video the same as the font on the postcard from HABIT? The one the guys had in the Lambetville video? I can't rewatch at the moment to confirm or disprove it. If it is, I'd say HABIT's our mystery uploader--for this video, at least. Halloween Hangover's another matter.

[Luipaard]

[jester0203]

So we know that the audio from the latest video is from Vinnie's side of the conversation. Does that mean that the "pinhole cameras" don't record sound; and if so, they should probably check Vinnie's car for equipment as well. Even if Vinnie is the one responsible for all of the hidden surveillance footage.

[Cougar Draven]

[Tharol]

Think could be Jessa being mastermind or blame Noah people.

[punxtr]

[Dyvya]

Long time lurker first time poster so please forgive me if these are stupid questions/comments.

Did anyone else notice that Evan's arm isn't bandaged anymore? The last time we saw him (before these possible HABIT posts) in Noah he still had his arm fully wrapped.

The audio from Vince's end also sounds like it was recorded (I think someone kind of mentioned this) like it was on speaker phone. I don't know if the phone Vince uses has audio record on it but if it does then Evan's half of the conversation would be a lot clearer. I mean it's possible Vince drives around talking on speaker phone but...It feels off. Off enough that right now I don't trust Vince. At all.

Is it possible that the "scream" heard in Halloween Hangover was maybe more of a yelp or something? My mind keeps circling back to how Evan wanted to get the heck out of Lexi's shortly after that...since time doesn't seem to be too fluid could he have found the body of Nick there?

Sorry if this isn't relevant or is completely off in left field.

[ObscureReference]

This may not be correct, but when Evan mentioned a voice in his head wanting to help, I didn't think it was HABIT. I thought it was Slendy.

Now, hear me out. We know Slenderman can possess people, not unlike HABIT, but in a different kind of way. I'd say it's safe to assume he can influence their actions. For so long this has been HABIT's game and what he wants. We're forgetting there is another supernatural force at work here because one has been more active than the other. There have been several moments where it has been suspected Slenderman was either trying to help the boys or at least keep them out of harms way for his own gain. Why would HABIT interfere with his own Fight to the Death between Nick and Evan? "Let me help." "OUTSIDE HELP" If Evan died, that could be a bit set back in Slendy's own plans. HABIT and Slendy aren't exactly on good terms recently. Who is to say he wouldn't interfere now?

The way Evan describes it, as if the voice we asking for help before it did anything...This either suggests the force wanting to say,"Hey, here I am, sucker." or "Don't be afraid, I'm here to help." Two very different statements. No matter who/what that force was, their intentions are still a mystery. Even if it was of the helping variety, what suggests it will be help Evan wants?

Another thing that caught my attention was Evan's voice on the phone. He sounded rather calm. A lot of pauses for "okay, how should I explain this" kind of thing, nothing really emotionally involved. Then, when he tells of Nick's death, he cracks. Then he's fine again. I don't know, maybe it was an effect of Vinny's voice and how calm he was, or the fact Evan isn't very expressive and felt numb from the whole thing, but...Something about it bothers me. For the first time, Evan knowingly killed someone. You'd think it woud show a bit more. (And maybe it's just me, but his body language seemed off for the words he was saying. Pacing is reasonable for excess addrenaline, but it just didn't match up to me.)

I think Vinny knows something that he's not telling, but he's not behind HABIT and Slendy. That seems a bit far fetched without a bit more evidence in my opinion. I'm also considering what kind of person Vinny is. Even when all of this was starting almost 2 years ago, he was calm. He never freaked out, never suggested split-second decsions. He's always been very rational. His response to Evan, no matter how obsurd to many of you, fits his traits. Recording his conversations also seemed reasonable, if it was him and not a mic in the car. They've recorded everything when they knew something was going to happen. Why not now? Some habits just die hard.
I'm not defending all of it. I'm not "Vinny is totally innocent it's all Slendy adn HABIT blaarg!", as I believe he has been doing something behind the scenes, but I think we also need to try and see reasoning from both sides.

I feel like outside helpt is a double meaning. Stating that Evan recieved outside help, and also a statment of "outside helpt needed". From whom?

If outside help was a rule for the rabbits and HABIT sees them/us as such...Who gets the punishment?
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