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[Bomrek]

Yessss this was totally worth not sleeping last night so I could find it at ass-early in the morning

Not fast enough to post any theories of mine before someone else got there first. Vince cementing himself as voyeur (and Evans handler, natch). The way he's acting in this one is really, really off somehow. I'm sorry I laughed went 'ok yeah suuure' at people who were pegging Vince as some sort of traitor to the group way back when; this video has swayed me. Vince was way too calm-- unless he expected something like this to happen for whatever reason, he sounds like he knew about this in advance.

Were those surveillance tapes from Alex ever confirmed to be Alex's tapes? I should know this but it has been so long... it just makes me wonder exactly how long HABIT has been filming the boys.

One thing, one tiny thing:

[Luipaard]

[dinorobo]

[THmanslayr]

[tijde]

It's probably obvious, but just in case: Whoever writes to the guys should NOT bring up the suspicions about Vince-as-orchestrator. All we can reasonably determine is that he's keeping secrets. But they're ALL keeping secrets from us, and we have no idea how Vince's fit in with the puzzle, or whether he's withholding from us or from everyone.

I tend to agree with punxtr and ObscureRef on this. Vince isn't acting completely out of character here; he's always been relatively cool under fire, and he's been the one pushing for continued documentation (Remember "Rose"? ), which explains why he recorded this phone call. I do think he's hiding something from the crew. But my gut says that's because he's figured something out by keeping his eyes and ears open--something the rest of the crew wouldn't believe or couldn't accept. He's acting on his ideas behind the scenes, but he's doing so with good intentions, however misguided they may be. Whatever it is will probably backfire, as keeping secrets always has.

[arcanadei]

Yeah but the questionable part is Vinnie is acting calm because it is just his nature, or because he has been pulling the strings all along. Really no definitive proof either way, just speculations. I fully expect EMH's ending to have a shocking revelation of the caliber of Vinnie being behind it all along so that would not really surprise me if it turned out to be true. Time will tell, until then we will keep throwing outlandish possibilities out to see what sticks so we can say "called it" when and if it does happen.

[lunaticfish]

Further more, I think it's important not to say it as "we know what Evan did", and instead go for "we know what happened with Evan and Nick". For the same reasons we can't just accuse Vin- the more important thing is to keep them together and trusting one another. Someone said quite a while back, as part of the Pale Fire clue, that "pity" is the key, really. I have always liked that idea, even extending possible pity and forgiveness to one of the monsters (HABIT), and most certainly among the guys.

(also hi)

[Luipaard]

[tijde]

[Luipaard]

[qaqa]

They do monitor us. That's why Evan went off on me months ago - I was the nearest person who had just contacted them re: CYSTW, and he knew I was on UF, where people had openly been voicing concerns that he could have hurt Steph. He told me he knew what we were saying about him.

I wouldn't know how to respond to the latest. I'd just suggest an even and non-judgmental tone, however you really feel. Diplomacy, but probing (with lube).

[NoMoreGaems]

OOG they also take sadistic pleasure in trolling us, the VII VII VII letter being the best example ever. Or maybe HABIT implying he was creepin' over Didz's baby, I don't know.

[Luipaard]

[NoMoreGaems]

Yeah, but it was sent to the wrong Okie. Still, that they got that close is pretty fantastic.

[arcanadei]

Yeah, very cool of them. Nice theory Anon around the trials and the parallels with the guys. The final trial could be related to the underwater footage we have seen (holding their breath). Also, where is my wristband EMH? Still waiting...