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mr. sunshine
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Cheater or Steven Hawking rival?

I want to know how someone (I won't name who) has solved 5 of the last 6 theorems in less than five minutes - and the other in less than 10?

Teach me your ways . . .

Does it involve doing a ton of legwork in advance to stock a quiver full of brute force arrows, or are some people just really that nimble without preparation?

Or does TMT have its very own version of "Deep Blue" that we're all up against?

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mr. sunshine
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Throw down!

Feel free to chime in . . . whether you want to discuss the "ethics" of TMT or techniques for legitimate supersonic solving. I'm all ears.

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pzlr
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I'm not the person to whom you refer, but I do attempt to prepare in the hour or two before midnight. I try to research the subject and then generate a list of possible solutions. When midnight comes, I pump my list through the theorem before I even read it. Recently, this proved successful for the Legos theorem but it still required a bit of thought to include both the singular and plural forms (I almost missed that). Sometimes, you do have to wonder if somebody has cracked how the theorem "application" works. I have not investigated myself but I wonder whether it checks each answer with the server (I doubt it). If not, then the answer must be encoded in there somewhere.

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SoItBegins
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[confused] Subject? How can you research the subject of the theorem when it hasn't popped yet?

EDIT: Also, plzr— the theorem page code does indeed check every answer with the server. The server also won't include the 'solution' data in the page until you've solved the Theorem, and attempting to go to the image filename of a KNOWN solution (but while logged out) threw a Not Found error. They've covered all the bases.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Actually, now that you brought it up, getting back to the amazon storage area for images doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to hack.
It's beyond my kung fu, but well within that of others. Just pulling up a known solution image exposes all the parameters needed to do additional lookups.
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SoItBegins
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Actually, now that you brought it up, getting back to the amazon storage area for images doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to hack.
It's beyond my kung fu, but well within that of others. Just pulling up a known solution image exposes all the parameters needed to do additional lookups.


Unfortunately, I tried, and it doesn't. Each session gets its own numerical 'image key' that is passed as a GET argument to the TMT server when it gets any image. I don't know how exactly the server uses that when it comes to deciding whether to release/not release images, but I couldn't get anything out of the server I wasn't supposed to. Going to the directory path got 'File Not Found's (I think M's lying). I was able to get a known solution image the 'proper' way, by bringing it up after solving and using a debugger to get the address.

On the Amazon Cloud Server level, you need a unique, machine-generated Amazon Cloud access key to access any of M's files, and those expire after a few seconds. I tried several times and got a bunch of 'Access Denied's, 'Request Expired's, and 'Signature Does Not Match's. I do not intend to mess with Amazon any further.

Strictly speaking, there's probably some way to wangle the TMT site login box to break into the admin backend of TMT, but the only way I can think of off the top of my head is a brute-force search (i.e. forcing M's password), and that kinda crosses the line from "it's all in fun" to actual black-hat work— so I won't go there either (it helps that I don't have the skill to do such a thing even if I wanted to).

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pzlr
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SoItBegins wrote:
[confused] Subject? How can you research the subject of the theorem when it hasn't popped yet?


If you set up to receive emails, you get an email with the title of the upcoming theorem sometime around 7PM the evening before the theorem goes live.

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