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[SPEC] Why the Artifact isnt Covenant
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ABoxInABox
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gains wrote:
The object itself was buried thousands of feet below ground, its nearly two kilometer length remarkably intact. It remained there, motionless, for thousands of years before it finally began to stir-- and to dream. It was a member of a race whose history began when the Milky Way was still a formless collection of dust and gas-- a powerful race of immortals which had quickly grown bored of their tiny universe and nearly exterminated themselves in war"

Wait... Immortals that die? That doesn't sound right. Anyway, for some reason ancient immortal beings reminds me of Forerunners.

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ABoxInABox wrote:
Wait... Immortals that die? That doesn't sound right. Anyway, for some reason ancient immortal beings reminds me of Forerunners.


It didn't die, it just came as close to dying as those things can, as was seen by the fact that the Pyramid and monsters you fight are it's dreams. The Forerunner are closer to the Jjaro than the other ancient evil beings, but Halo and Marathon aren't connected story-wise.

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No one has mentioned the posobility of the artifact being a "timemachine" (of somesort). It would explain how Melissa got to our time...

No one has mentioned it because of the complexities of the theorys invloved to explain possiblitys of time-travel. There is only popular theoretical one way to time-travel that involves lots of Pythagoras and Einstien. I barely understand it. What I do understand is the paradoxes involved. If you went back in time, and in any way effected the possiblity of you going back in time at the point you went back in time and to what you did when you went back in time then you would not go back in time to change it and therefore you went back in time, which takes us back to the beginning of this sentence (and it's a long sentence).

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archon wrote:
It didn't die, it just came as close to dying as those things can, as was seen by the fact that the Pyramid and monsters you fight are it's dreams.

I was referring to the extermination part.

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The Forerunner are closer to the Jjaro than the other ancient evil beings, but Halo and Marathon aren't connected story-wise.

Not story-wise, but connected.

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ABoxInABox wrote:
gains wrote:
a powerful race of immortals which had quickly grown bored of their tiny universe and nearly exterminated themselves in war"

Wait... Immortals that die? That doesn't sound right.

Immortals aren't necessarily invincible. The only thing that truly defines an immortal is that it will never die of old age. Immortals have a lifespan of infinity, but not all creatures make it as far as their typical lifespan...
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Platonix wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
gains wrote:
a powerful race of immortals which had quickly grown bored of their tiny universe and nearly exterminated themselves in war"

Wait... Immortals that die? That doesn't sound right.

Immortals aren't necessarily invincible. The only thing that truly defines an immortal is that it will never die of old age. Immortals have a lifespan of infinity, but not all creatures make it as far as their typical lifespan...

Oh, I see.

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Platonix wrote:
Immortals aren't necessarily invincible. The only thing that truly defines an immortal is that it will never die of old age. Immortals have a lifespan of infinity, but not all creatures make it as far as their typical lifespan...


Even then, certain immortals could die of "sorrow" after spending too many years in the declining Middle-Earth. That's not much better than dying of old age, lol.

Being immortal sucks. Sooner or later you die of boredom (Elves, the Q), or you get wiped out by your own twisted creations (Xel'naga, Forerunner). Or you become crazy, your name changes to the Notorious Mental, and you rampage throughout the universe.
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 		You know that would explain why the covenant have been so hell bent on destroying us. They were also trying to obtain a Forerunner artifact when Reach was attacked.

I believe that all of the artifacts are in fact Forerunner, not covenant, and they all somehow tie into the different Forerunner ring worlds (Halo's).

I don't think it's off the mark to speculate that the covenant are hell bent on procuring these artifacts in order to prevent the destruction of the galaxy via halo detonations. They might think that humans will inadvertantly activate the artifacts, which will activate halo structures throughout the galaxy and destroy many starsystems.

Anyway, that would give us another one of these "greater good" dilemmas.

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I don't think it's off the mark to speculate that the covenant are hell bent on procuring these artifacts in order to prevent the destruction of the galaxy via halo detonations. They might think that humans will inadvertantly activate the artifacts, which will activate halo structures throughout the galaxy and destroy many starsystems.


Except that it's the Covenant who released the Flood and made Guilty Spark try to activate Halo.

I don't think the Covenant understand the Halos at all. At the time that Master Chief busted in, the Covies were crawling all over Halo's control room, but there's no sign of any Covenant AIs in Halo's core, in fact there were no Covies at all in the control room itself. (SPEC: tampering with Halo's core would be blasphemous in the Covenant religion, non-Prophets might not be allowed to enter Halo's control room at all) So they don't know nearly as much about Halo as Cortana does.

The real question about Halo is: did Guilty Spark have a legitimate reason for trying to activate Halo? It seems a bit odd that a genius AI built by a godlike race would be willing to exterminate the galaxy at the drop of a hat. (Then again, maybe 343GS has gone rampant from his long confinement) By blowing Halo to pieces with a fusion core explosion, did Master Chief kill all the Flood? Or did he just spread them?
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 		It's not clear that the Covenant knew what they were doing on Halo or that they were TRYING to activate it. They had many ships in the system at the time. I'm not convinced that they knew about the flood prior to releasing them.

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 		[SPEC] Why the Artifact isnt Covenant
I was under the impression that Keyes was the one who released the Flood, and the Covenant were just trying to figure out what was going on with HALO itself. I decided to play through Halo again the other day and Cortana even says that the Master Chief needs to stop Keyes because of the danger of the Flood.

BTW, the other thing I noticed was that at the beginning of the game Keyes gives Master Chief Cortana saying that no shipboard AI can fall into the hands of the Covenant becaus then they would discover "Weapons Specs, Fleet deployment, and Earth." Giving rise to the idea that the Covenant do not know where the homeworld of Humankind is.

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 		Re: [SPEC] Why the Artifact isnt Covenant
Tregis wrote:
I was under the impression that Keyes was the one who released the Flood, and the Covenant were just trying to figure out what was going on with HALO itself. I decided to play through Halo again the other day and Cortana even says that the Master Chief needs to stop Keyes because of the danger of the Flood.


It's possible that Keyes released the Flood--though I was under the impression that the Covenant released the Flood, and Keyes showed up right afterward and got hit by the second wave. In "The Library," 343 GS mentions something off-hand about "The other race" on HALO which seems to be meddling, and which 343 GS believes must have released the Flood. Of course, 343 GS might be referring to either the Covenant or your crewmates, but he also seems to understand that you're human . . .

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BTW, the other thing I noticed was that at the beginning of the game Keyes gives Master Chief Cortana saying that no shipboard AI can fall into the hands of the Covenant becaus then they would discover "Weapons Specs, Fleet deployment, and Earth." Giving rise to the idea that the Covenant do not know where the homeworld of Humankind is.


Heh; that, or we just think they don't know where Earth is. Or hope they don't.

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