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mokie
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NewInTown2 wrote:
Tim said Alex made him shoot some behind the scene stuff for Marble Hornets. Which is kind of strange if you think about it. Why would Alex make Tim, who is an actor and not a filmer, shoot video? (Other than maybe luring Slendy)


To save time, since the appointed cameraman Seth would be busy filming actual-scene stuff, and might not be free to wander around getting making-of footage?

Or, to take the creepy angle, back-up after having to yell at Seth about turning off the camera despite having given Seth explicit instructions to always be recording?

Or, to play the theories, because Tim was in on what was happening and was, like Seth, working with Alex on the unofficial slenderstuff for some period of time before their apparent falling out?

Or, to play a different theory, it wasn't so much that Alex HAD him film as that he, like Jay, started filming on his own as he grew suspicious, and he's willing to share that footage with Jay now?

(Dorking out? Yes, yes I am.)

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Entry #33: There's no evidence that justifies the attack, but it can be suggested that Masky wan't attacking Jay at all. That and entries 18/19 are the only ones I'm on the fence about.


If we assume The Operator kidnapped Jessica, and The Operator was in the hotel, then Masky probably wanted Jay out of the hotel so The Operator didn't get him. But I think it'd be too coincidental for Masky to show up in the hotel at the same time as The Operator. Unless Masky had always been in the hotel. I think Masky, for some reason, decided to kidnap Jessica.

But Entry #19 I think was just Masky stealing back his pills. And being crazy.


I guess that's still open for interpretation. But I have no way of justifying Entry #18. To just attack Jay has to be for a reason. And I forgot to mention Entry #23, which I'm also undecided as to whether he's helping or not.

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 		I wonder how important location is with regards to Marble Hornets...there seem to be crucial places in both locations(the Red Tower, Brian's House, and now Rosswood Park and the Hotel) where important Operator-related sightings have occurred.

It makes me think that people who become related to Operator end up facing the brunt of his fury. For example, even though Jay was related to Marble Hornets, there's no evidence of him being stalked until he starts watching the entries.

EDIT: Just a thought...."behind the scenes" footage?

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WheresMyARGs wrote:
But I have no way of justifying Entry #18. To just attack Jay has to be for a reason. And I forgot to mention Entry #23, which I'm also undecided as to whether he's helping or not.


Some have suggested The Operator was off-screen in Entry #18 and Masky saved him, but I don't buy that. Other have suggested he was trying to scare Jay away from investigating, but he's given up on that now. Entry #23 is so vague; he seemed to want to show Jay something, with the taking off his mask and luring him somewhere. Maybe the portal to the basement?

What concerns me are the totheark videos. I strongly believe Tim is responsible for most of the Season 1 totheark videos. But they say stuff like "Smile for Death". Maybe that was just him warning him to get out of his house since it was about to burn down? I dunno.

My honest opinion: Masky is helping Jay, because he wants Jay to help him. Why? He thinks Jay will lead him to the ark. What's the ark? I have no clue. But, I think Masky's really bad at helping Jay because he's batshit crazy. He was off his pills in Entry #18, since Jay stole them in Entry #16, and Masky didn't steal them back until Entry #19. Maybe that's why he attacked him. He lacks self control. Honestly, if Masky was sane, and he wanted Jay to do something, he'd knock in his door and say "Hey, I'm Tim's split personality, this is what's happening, this is what we should do" not put on a mask and lead Jay places with cryptic messages.

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DHawk314 wrote:
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But I have no way of justifying Entry #18. To just attack Jay has to be for a reason. And I forgot to mention Entry #23, which I'm also undecided as to whether he's helping or not.


Some have suggested The Operator was off-screen in Entry #18 and Masky saved him, but I don't buy that. Other have suggested he was trying to scare Jay away from investigating, but he's given up on that now. Entry #23 is so vague; he seemed to want to show Jay something, with the taking off his mask and luring him somewhere. Maybe the portal to the basement?

What concerns me are the totheark videos. I strongly believe Tim is responsible for most of the Season 1 totheark videos. But they say stuff like "Smile for Death". Maybe that was just him warning him to get out of his house since it was about to burn down? I dunno.

My honest opinion: Masky is helping Jay, because he wants Jay to help him. Why? He thinks Jay will lead him to the ark. What's the ark? I have no clue. But, I think Masky's really bad at helping Jay because he's batshit crazy. He was off his pills in Entry #18, since Jay stole them in Entry #16, and Masky didn't steal them back until Entry #19. Maybe that's why he attacked him. He lacks self control. Honestly, if Masky was sane, and he wanted Jay to do something, he'd knock in his door and say "Hey, I'm Tim's split personality, this is what's happening, this is what we should do" not put on a mask and lead Jay places with cryptic messages.


I did think for a while that #18 was just a way for Masky to scare Jay away from investigating. #23 just might have been what you said, it's kind of vague and allows for it to be interpreted either way.

Totheark, same story. He may have just been trying to scare him away from getting into something that he shouldn't. I agree that the cryptic part of it may just be because he's not completely in his right mind, but what about Hoody? They work together, and I'm pretty sure both of them don't suffer from the same multiple-personality disorder. Possibly memory deterioration, sure, but I think Hoody might actually be the TRUE Totheark, while Masky is just an on-and-off Totheark.

Theories. All of this is killing my brain.

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WheresMyARGs wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
WheresMyARGs wrote:
Entry #33: There's no evidence that justifies the attack, but it can be suggested that Masky wan't attacking Jay at all. That and entries 18/19 are the only ones I'm on the fence about.


If we assume The Operator kidnapped Jessica, and The Operator was in the hotel, then Masky probably wanted Jay out of the hotel so The Operator didn't get him. But I think it'd be too coincidental for Masky to show up in the hotel at the same time as The Operator. Unless Masky had always been in the hotel. I think Masky, for some reason, decided to kidnap Jessica.

But Entry #19 I think was just Masky stealing back his pills. And being crazy.


I guess that's still open for interpretation. But I have no way of justifying Entry #18. To just attack Jay has to be for a reason. And I forgot to mention Entry #23, which I'm also undecided as to whether he's helping or not.

18 is justifiable, Jay wasn't being targeted directly by slendy yet, but Jay was herp-derping his way to slendy's stalking list. TiMasky was trying to scare Jay off the trail, taking drastic measures to force him out
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Seraphim wrote:
I wonder how important location is with regards to Marble Hornets...there seem to be crucial places in both locations(the Red Tower, Brian's House, and now Rosswood Park and the Hotel) where important Operator-related sightings have occurred.


I keep thinking about this too. Since Jay specifically mentions the physical distance in this entry, I'm thinking we should pay close attention to locations. Maybe review what we already know about what happened where.

It would be helpful to have a visual aid. Does anyone more artistically inclined than I am want to draw up a rough map? You could use this thread for reference. 
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 		I'm also thinking that this antique store may become more important, at least regards to those off-season tweets involving those pictures...

but who knows?

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Seraphim wrote:
I'm also thinking that this antique store may become more important, at least regards to those off-season tweets involving those pictures...

but who knows?

Agreed. Each season has had its key locations. The antiques store, and possibly the train trestle area, are likely to be among Season 3's.
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Entry #33: There's no evidence that justifies the attack, but it can be suggested that Masky wan't attacking Jay at all. That and entries 18/19 are the only ones I'm on the fence about.


There's alot of people who think "masky was scaring jay off" for all 3 of these entries. Personally I think that operator influence causes you to go crazy and just have like a constant bloodlust. You start out getting easily annoyed, then you start yelling at people, then you start bringing them to abandoned areas and killing them.

Tim found a way to fight this off, but he occasionally has relapses of sorts. Like I think he saved Jessica in 33, then relapsed causing him to assault Jay. Entry 18 it looks like he was trying to control himself for a little bit before WTF tackling Jay. The seizure may have been him doing a full relapse, causing him to kidnap him for slendy or something in 19.

Also 23 I think he was either helping in some weird way, or started helping him but relapsed halfway through.

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WheresMyARGs wrote:
Totheark, same story. He may have just been trying to scare him away from getting into something that he shouldn't. I agree that the cryptic part of it may just be because he's not completely in his right mind, but what about Hoody? They work together, and I'm pretty sure both of them don't suffer from the same multiple-personality disorder. Possibly memory deterioration, sure, but I think Hoody might actually be the TRUE Totheark, while Masky is just an on-and-off Totheark.


I personally agree with Jay's theory; multiple totheark account users. But almost every season 1 totheark video after the Interview with Tim I think implies it was by Masky.

Advocate: Pic of Brian. Jay got a tip as to where Brian's house is at the same time. Masky was later shown to be living at Brian's house twice, and his pills were there.
Addition: totheark in Brian's house, while Jay's in Brian's house.
Signal: Says "come back" "find me". Jay goes back to Brian's house and finds Masky.
Messages: "Tell us" "You have been keeping" "secrets." Next entry it turned out Jay had secretly been filming himself. How does totheark know this? Technically unknown, but Masky was in Jay's house that entry. Jay even said he suspected Masky was totheark. Also, a picture of Tim is at the end of the video.
Return: totheark is with Jay. Jay is wearing his shirt from Entry #19, where Jay disappeared and doesn't remember what happened that night, and it's a response to that entry; overall implication is it's the same night. Masky was shown with Jay that night.
Attention: Anagram of "awaiting your arrival". Jay arrived at Brian's house the next entry, Masky was also there. Awaiting him.
Admission: 2 totheark video in a row, this one to lead Jay to Brian's house again. totheark and The Operator are in Brian's house, it says "There are doors unopened". probably talking about the locked doors in Brian's house. As if it's asking Jay to open them.
Warning: Masky is IN the video.
Entry ###### Masky is IN the video. Again!

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is: I think Masky made all those totheark video. And if I'm right about Tim's tapes having the footage from Regards, Operator, Exit, and Advocate, and possibly had Entry #22 which was at the red tower, which totheark led Jay to with Version, then he probably made those ones too. Which is most of the season 1 totheark videos.

And the point of that is, if he made all those videos, then he's BATSHIT CRAZY. Seriously, have you seen totheark's vodeos?

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 		Not really relevant to anything but .. isn't it funny how Alex's last name isn't censored at all but Jay cuts the audio on Tim and his own last name?

Anyway.. I think Timnesia is real. If it was a lie then why would Tim be going to the mental clinic? I highly doubt he would have put going to the doctor in his grand scheme to win Jays trust. The chance of Jay actually finding out where Tim was in its self was like winning the lottery. So for Tim to want to make some sort of 'back story' to lie with .. it just seems like too much of a gamble and waste of time when dealing with someone like Jay.

I rather like the idea of Tim giving Jay the tapes. Jay finding something HUGE and then when he goes to confront Tim.. Tim's already waiting for Jay.. just standing there with a cigarette in his mouth all amazinglike.

But I have to admit.. Our little Jay has grown up so much lately <3
I'm proud of him for making it this far with Tim.
Sure it was rather stalk-ish but he got what he was looking for!
Let's hope he doesn't blow it..

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bouvardia wrote:
Not really relevant to anything but .. isn't it funny how Alex's last name isn't censored at all but Jay cuts the audio on Tim and his own last name?


To be fair, Jay wasn't being stalked by three people when the series started and he revealed Alex's name. But yes, it is funny.

bouvardia wrote:
Anyway.. I think Timnesia is real. If it was a lie then why would Tim be going to the mental clinic? I highly doubt he would have put going to the doctor in his grand scheme to win Jays trust. The chance of Jay actually finding out where Tim was in its self was like winning the lottery. So for Tim to want to make some sort of 'back story' to lie with .. it just seems like too much of a gamble and waste of time when dealing with someone like Jay.


Really good point. Masky's probably seen Jay's video (See my above points about him being totheark) he has no reason to think he's crazy unless he really doesn't remember being Masky/totheark. I wouldn't have thought of that.

EDIT: It IS possible Tim started going to the mental health clinic (By the way, Mental Health and Marble Hornets have the same initials. I guess that's fitting) after he saw Entry #52. It was four months ago, so he knew Jay was looking for him now, so he constructed a back story. And he could have been following Jay's Twitter, so he told people at the antique store so Jay would find him. But ya, that would be the most convoluted plan EVER, and I'm not really clear WHY he would do that. So ya, I think the Timnesia is real and Masky is some altered mental state or split personality of his.

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That would be a fine answer. It's just that that [Tim's leg] has to be explained or implied directly in the story. As long as they end up doing that somewhere in the season, i'm fine. But they better not just leave it as an open plot hole.

I think you and some others are looking too much into the whole leg thing. Alex smashed Tim's leg with the rock, he was limping for a while, and it eventually healed. It wouldn't be a plot hole if they never mentioned his leg again. The totheark video "Extraction" of him limping could've been footage from anytime. Hell, even if that footage was from September 27th 2011, it's possible that his leg finally got better by November. And Tim going to the doctor's could've definitely helped with his leg problem.

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DHawk314 wrote:
WheresMyARGs wrote:
Totheark, same story. He may have just been trying to scare him away from getting into something that he shouldn't. I agree that the cryptic part of it may just be because he's not completely in his right mind, but what about Hoody? They work together, and I'm pretty sure both of them don't suffer from the same multiple-personality disorder. Possibly memory deterioration, sure, but I think Hoody might actually be the TRUE Totheark, while Masky is just an on-and-off Totheark.


I personally agree with Jay's theory; multiple totheark account users. But almost every season 1 totheark video after the Interview with Tim I think implies it was by Masky.

Advocate: Pic of Brian. Jay got a tip as to where Brian's house is at the same time. Masky was later shown to be living at Brian's house twice, and his pills were there.
Addition: totheark in Brian's house, while Jay's in Brian's house.
Signal: Says "come back" "find me". Jay goes back to Brian's house and finds Masky.
Messages: "Tell us" "You have been keeping" "secrets." Next entry it turned out Jay had secretly been filming himself. How does totheark know this? Technically unknown, but Masky was in Jay's house that entry. Jay even said he suspected Masky was totheark. Also, a picture of Tim is at the end of the video.
Return: totheark is with Jay. Jay is wearing his shirt from Entry #19, where Jay disappeared and doesn't remember what happened that night, and it's a response to that entry; overall implication is it's the same night. Masky was shown with Jay that night.
Attention: Anagram of "awaiting your arrival". Jay arrived at Brian's house the next entry, Masky was also there. Awaiting him.
Admission: 2 totheark video in a row, this one to lead Jay to Brian's house again. totheark and The Operator are in Brian's house, it says "There are doors unopened". probably talking about the locked doors in Brian's house. As if it's asking Jay to open them.
Warning: Masky is IN the video.
Entry ###### Masky is IN the video. Again!

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is: I think Masky made all those totheark video. And if I'm right about Tim's tapes having the footage from Regards, Operator, Exit, and Advocate, and possibly had Entry #22 which was at the red tower, which totheark led Jay to with Version, then he probably made those ones too. Which is most of the season 1 totheark videos.

And the point of that is, if he made all those videos, then he's BATSHIT CRAZY. Seriously, have you seen totheark's vodeos?


That's what I mean by "on-and-off". I think that, while Masky did appear frequently in season 1's TTA videos (in one form or another), he appears less in season 2's, implying that he may not be the only one in charge of the channel (anymore, at least). It's fitting that he's on-and-off too; when the TTA videos don't "star" him, it may just be that he's off of his Masky-personality side, and is just Tim, struggling to remember what the Hell is going on.

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