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[Shad0]

Whose side are we on?

[Cherry Cotton]

If I had to choose the Sleeping Princess or Dana, I would cry first but then choose Dana, because she's the only one we're sure is innocent.

(Unless, of course, Dana is Covenant, and Melissa really is just a telemarketer who is harvesting phone numbers for her personal gain.)

(And, make sure to keep in mind that betraying either of them needs to be a last resort, and this is no time to poke around and see what works. For all we know, the Sleeping Princess is what allows the Master Chief to bring down Galactus once and for all.)

And, there's too much evidence to show that the Sleeping Princess is Yasmine (notice Durga's splitting voice when Jersey talks about Yasmine) to be ignored. I say, support the Puppet Masters! This is an ARG, people, let's try to mess with the story as much as safely possible! Just, don't, y'know, kill anybody.

And I do heartily support Ralph Nader... some other time.

[Kybard]

*votes Melissa*

I'm all for not getting Dana killed, and right now the only way to do that is by helping Melissa, who seems to have a much better grasp of what she's actually doing than the rogue process, who's (IMHO) once again become Perdita being led down the path to ruin by the Clockwork Rat.

I don't care for the rogue process like some people here - she's not a six-year-old girl (neither is Melissa, for that matter) regardless of her brain pattern's origin. She's also become a pawn of the Flea (IMHO, though I think the proof of this pudding's been clear on contactme for several weeks now) - willingly aiding his plans without understanding them. Melissa may be doing the same thing, but it's definitely unwilling - if the Flea's corrupting her, she doesn't realize it.

I still sympathize with the Operator, who has crashlanded onto a strange place and done everything in her power to maintain herself and the mission she believes in in spite of everything.

Moreso, though, I sympathize with Dana, the true innocent bystander here. Melissa's doing what she has to do through threats - but I believe that Melissa will keep true to her word, because Melissa is not evil. She is a military application. We keep Dana safe by following Melissa. The rogue process, and the Pious Flea for that matter, are dangerous wild cards at best.

Just my two cents.

[Flidget Jerome]

Way, way back when, the SP said she could apply some sort of process to protect Dana. And she's already proven she can hack the Queen.

I think we should try to calm the SP down (doubt she's going to be happy about this turn of events), convince her Dana didn't mean it, she was just worried about her aunt, and get her to save Dana and Margaret?

(For the record, of all of them I like Melissa best, but storywise I think this is the most logical progression.)

[AngriBuddhist]

Now that SP can !access Melissa's transmission system and PF can !transmit digital data, I believe that we need to get SP (whether PF has to !attach or not) to travel through time to hang with Durga.

Dana needs to maniplute the "best friend" relationship that SP believes they have. She needs to explain that Aunt Maragret will suffer if she doesn't leave.

[Mukaikubo]

We need to help Dana delete the SP and save Dana's aunt.

We're here at Dana's request. We owe her this much, at least, don't we?

Another thing. The worst case scenario is that by deleting the Sleeping Princess, we affect the Battle of Earth five hundred years in the future. To that, I say, so what?

It's not our concern, and it's not our duty by any sense of the word to help people 500 years in the future. We owe more respect and aid to people who alive, now, than to an AI in the present or a billion people in the future.


Let the future take care of itself. Let the present- let us- take care of our own.

[Flidget Jerome]

Or we could somehow grab hold of Kamal and get him to yell at all three of the A.I.s. They've gotta listen to big brother, right? Right?

[TheBiggestSean]

*Gives Shad0 a mean look*

Thank you for at least making it. I didn't mean it as "no one should act on their own."

I meant I think it's important to decide if there even IS a clear majority. It's an important step in the game.

Sorry if I stepped on toes...

[Shad0]

Re: [POLL] Whose side are we on?

[Vilnius]

Soylent Green for President!

[ariock]

Would like some proof.

[Bobman]

I already voted for deleting the Flea, but I had a brainstorm as I was about to move on to another thread. Perhaps Dana could move the SP out of the server. Then once Margaret was free again, we could try some risky stuff again.


This needs a few things to work. We need a place to put the SP after the move. Maybe we could give her a corner of the unfiction servers? Or maybe a page on Dana's blog would be easier for the PMs to organize.

Problem number 2: An active AI is constantly changing, always thinking, processing, and sorting. I'd imagine this could make moving her rather difficult. On the first level of Halo, Cortana "sorts herself for a hard transfer" before being put into the Master Chief's armor. We might need to get a message to the SP, telling her to get ready for a similar transfer. Or maybe Dana could tell her to get ready before she moves her.

And then there is the moving itself. I doubt the SP would fit on a floppy disk, maybe a transfer would work. I think we could walk Dana through it with some help.

[Shad0]

Re: Would like some proof.

[Wainamoinen]

Obvously we need to save Aunty M. but what if we discused the dalema to SP and see what she thinks because what if she has a solution? like makeing Melissa a bit distracted while aunty m and dana both take off? I don't know... but I think we should talk to SP about it (she cares for Dana, even enough to be put in "the coffin" for her...)

(I'm reading Bobman's last post right here)

o0O0o... good idea. you beat me to it I think thats the best salution: to see what SP thinks of it all and maybe she has an easy way out of this one.
This way everyone is happy, well except Mr. Pious Flea that is...

[jpublic]

I'm for any option that mantains the most life.

I find interesting the "carbon-based elitism" that exists on this forum. People are supporting options that save "Aunt Margaret" because she's a human being.

Well, I'm sorry, but to me, she's a being. "Human" is a qualifier that shouldn't enter into it any more than "colour" "race" or "shoe size."

To me, the Sleeping Princess has just as much value as Aunt Margaret.

If I was feeling truly ruthless, I'd say sthe SP has MORE value, since an AI from the future, even one as "juvenile" as the SP, has more potential to aid humanity than some random honey-pusher.

Nonetheless, I don't want anyone to suffer in this case. I want the SP to survive, I want Melissa to survive, I want Margaret to survive.... heck, I even want the Pious Flea to survive.


What do I suggest? Help the SP and PF to escape, if they choose to. Convince them that it may be wise. Convince Melissa to attempt a non-destructive solution.