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 		ascension 6:20, declination 39 degrees, 2 seconds.

"edge of space' kinda matches up with 'outer rim', as per Lambert's reference to Zeta Reticuli's position.

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 		Guys, just clearing things up: Ridley Scott said already that the planet isn't LV-426 nor that the events in Prometheus will lead to Alien, since he'd like to make sequels of this.

http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/60322-ridley-scott-talks-alien-prometheus
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Ridley Scott, veteran director of the upcoming sci-fi thriller Prometheus, previously confirmed the film's third act will contain "DNA" strands of the first Alien film. Now we finally have some details.

During a recent interview with Filmophilia, Scott revealed what specific element will create the bridge between the two films and show how they exist in the same universe.

However, the director once again emphasized the stories are not connected in any way.

Meaning, Prometheus is not a prequel to Alien, and does not explain or connect with the plot of Alien. It's only an element of the universe which the characters discover - essentially taking place within the same canon.

That element is the Pilot. In Alien, the adventurers are lured to the surface of LV-426 by what they think is a distress call. What they find is a derelict ship with a single corpse at the helm. The pachidermic creature has a hole busted through its chest, foreshadowing the violent nature of the parasitic aliens.

Without a proper name for the creature, fans adopted the name the crew had used for it during production, 'Space Jockey'. It was only later, in canon books and video games, that we learn the race is called 'Pilot' - or 'Mala'kak' in their own language. None of them appeared in any other films from the series.

This is all we've got, however. Scott opted not to reveal the actual plot point the Pilot(s) might be involved in, just that it would be near the end of the film, and that it won't be the same Pilot from the Alien film.


Not to mention the ship we see in the trailer isn't even in the same position, there isn't a "temple" anywhere in the Alien sequels, etc. I really don't think we should work towards LV-426 anyway, since it wouldn't add up when compared to how things are written in the timeline:

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MAY 14TH, 2039 - DISCOVERY OF ACHERON LV-426
Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticuli system, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.


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JANUARY 1ST, 2073 - PROJECT PROMETHEUS UNDERWAY
Based on recent classified findings by Weyland researchers, the company determines the exact coordinates of a new destination for long-time pet project: Project Prometheus. New round of investment is immediately opened and mission planning enters full swing.


They discover the planet in 2039, but only until 34 years later they discover the coordinates to go there? It just doesn't make sense. This is a new planet.

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 		Just to add to the murkiness (or not) Promethium-147 is the only isotope of Promethium that is used commercially and most of it uses are in space exploration, most specifically the creation of radioactive batteries. It has been detected in stars in the Andromeda and Centaurus constellations.

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 		I treat this as a restart of the Aliens series, much in the same way hollywood has done with Batman, now Spiderman and a few other series.

Remember the difference between discovered and "exact coordinates" there too.

Don't rule out that the know of the system and the planet, but perhaps not a place to land or exactly where it is.

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Severn wrote:
I treat this as a restart of the Aliens series, much in the same way hollywood has done with Batman, now Spiderman and a few other series.

Remember the difference between discovered and "exact coordinates" there too.

Don't rule out that the know of the system and the planet, but perhaps not a place to land or exactly where it is.


I don't really see it that way, because of the change of approach the film got before even starting production. At first, this was considered an Alien prequel and there were even talks of having Ripley starring on it, but as soon as Spaihts and Lindelof delivered a script with their concept, Ridley Scott decided there was a broader scope and wasn't considering it a prequel anymore, just another story within the same universe. In my opinion, expecting this film to have explicit Alien references outside those involved within the same universe (company names, technology, and creatures) is to ignore the vision and effort put into this to make it seem beyond the most basic expectations. A retcon/reboot is ruled out since they've also said they're following the canon "as much as possible". Also, the comparison with Batman or Spiderman isn't accurate since those are outright retellings of the same story, and so far we haven't seen anything to indicate such thing in Prometheus.

Furthermore, knowing the coordinates of the planet would eventually lead to know where to land, in a short period of time. If they were already familiar with the planet, they wouldn't take 30+ years just to figure that out, specially in an universe where FTL and colonies exist; they wouldn't have mentioned LV-426 at all in the timeline if it was supposed to be classified btw.

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 		So in my wiki search of randomness I came across this.

Diamond Planet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_planet

The only reason I mention it is because of the talk of graphite.

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Such a planet would probably have an iron or steel-rich core like the known terrestrial planets. Surrounding that would be molten silicon carbide and titanium carbide. Above that, a layer of carbon in the form of graphite, possibly with a kilometers-thick substratum of diamond if there is sufficient pressure. During volcanic eruptions, it is possible that diamonds from the interior could come up to the surface, resulting in mountains of diamonds and silicon carbides. The surface would contain frozen or liquid hydrocarbons (e.g. tar and methane) and carbon monoxide.[3]


This is all speculation on part of scientists. But hey it's just a movie.

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SevenSonicStructures wrote:
Severn wrote:
I treat this as a restart of the Aliens series, much in the same way hollywood has done with Batman, now Spiderman and a few other series.

Remember the difference between discovered and "exact coordinates" there too.

Don't rule out that the know of the system and the planet, but perhaps not a place to land or exactly where it is.


I don't really see it that way, because of the change of approach the film got before even starting production. At first, this was considered an Alien prequel and there were even talks of having Ripley starring on it, but as soon as Spaihts and Lindelof delivered a script with their concept, Ridley Scott decided there was a broader scope and wasn't considering it a prequel anymore, just another story within the same universe. In my opinion, expecting this film to have explicit Alien references outside those involved within the same universe (company names, technology, and creatures) is to ignore the vision and effort put into this to make it seem beyond the most basic expectations. A retcon/reboot is ruled out since they've also said they're following the canon "as much as possible". Also, the comparison with Batman or Spiderman isn't accurate since those are outright retellings of the same story, and so far we haven't seen anything to indicate such thing in Prometheus.

Furthermore, knowing the coordinates of the planet would eventually lead to know where to land, in a short period of time. If they were already familiar with the planet, they wouldn't take 30+ years just to figure that out, specially in an universe where FTL and colonies exist; they wouldn't have mentioned LV-426 at all in the timeline if it was supposed to be classified btw.


Humans land on a mysterious planet not knowing what to expect, discover disaster, what more do you want?

I have a feeling the plot will be very similar to Alien in the end. At least a fair bit in common. Android that is a bit too over zealous, etc.

" In my opinion, expecting this film to have explicit Alien references outside those involved within the same universe (company names, technology, and creatures) is to ignore the vision and effort put into this to make it seem beyond the most basic expectations"

What, do you work for the film studio or something? How the heck do you know about their effort at this point? All this talk about delivering the script, etc.

The film could be crap in the end. Have you seen it already or something?

This is about the ARG,



I'm not referring to the specific planet FROM ALIEN

I'm referring to the fact that they found a solar system with a planet but perhaps no place to land or anything like that.

Maybe (justifiably so as it's REALLY far away) it DID take them a while to figure out the place to go properly.

I mean in our current place in time we do know where there are planets where we could go that we could live possibly, but we don't know the EXACT coordinates..

Coordinates of the system vs coordinates of the planet.

They are different

Quit getting your back up there.

it's like you're attacking me or something here.

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Severn wrote:
it's like you're attacking me or something here.


Hey, relax. I'm not attacking you at all, I'm basing my opinion on what they've emphasized over the course of a year, and I don't understand why they would lie about this. This all reminds me of all the people who insisted (and still do) about The Thing 2011 being a remake of The Thing 1982, even though it was stated clearly that it was a prequel and even at the end it tied up with the 1982 version (regardless of the final outcome). Prometheus could easily have the same feel as Alien and even turn out to have a similar plot in the sense of having a monster lurking around killing the crew, but in terms of storyline and background, be in a completely different league, and that's what they've indicated us so far. Whether it's "crap" or not, I don't know yet because I don't have a script, but I have read plenty of interviews over the course of months, followed the production details and such, and I am sure that, at least at a technical level, it'll be a great film with a big deal of effort and detail in several aspects.

By the way, we DO know the exact coordinates of the planets we've discovered so far and their distance (for example, a familiar one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_g), what we don't know yet is if they're really habitable or not, or if they have lifeforms in them, but that's the point of the Kepler mission. If we could send a drone to this planet in a reasonable amount of time (near lightspeed at least), we'd have the necessary coordinates to do it. I'm not sure what you mean about "exact coordinates", since knowing where the planet is located is good enough.

In the case of the ARG, they've always made a point of mentioning the planet in particular, and the solar system is inferred from the name of the planet. If you take this quote:
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Based on recent classified findings by Weyland researchers, the company determines the exact coordinates of a new destination for long-time pet project

And watch the trailer, you can tell they're talking about the same thing, which was merely a location in the universe, not even a landing place. So basically, at this point (which is the same as the film), they don't know where to land either, they only know there's a star with a possible planet, and that's where they'll go to do research. So assuming that by January 1st 2073 they suddenly know of a landing site contradicts (and anticipates) the events of the film.

But really, I am not trying to attack you or anything, it's just that people have been trying to associate the same obvious elements from Alien for the last months (and even the sequels beyond Aliens) to this film, while at the same time you see Damon Lindelof scoffing last Sunday to an interviewer from /Film saying (paraphrased) "It's funny how you think you'll see all those things, but you haven't even seen the film yet".

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 		Re: time well spent...
index wrote:
I pointed this out a couple days ago and posted an animated gif showing it.

The Yytrium value is way off.


Thanks for reminding us, I knew there was a graph somewhere, I've added it to the discrepancies page on the Wiki.

http://bigthingshavesmallbeginnings.wikispaces.com/Investor+Information+changes

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Datvi
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 		This is only speculation...



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 		good catch with the prometheum-147, that is actually an isotope
the normal promethium with number 61 is actually part of the rare earths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element

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SevenSonicStructures wrote:
Not to mention the ship we see in the trailer isn't even in the same position, there isn't a "temple" anywhere in the Alien sequels, etc. I really don't think we should work towards LV-426 anyway, since it wouldn't add up when compared to how things are written in the timeline:

Quote:
MAY 14TH, 2039 - DISCOVERY OF ACHERON LV-426
Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticuli system, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.



Just want to point out that for quite a while the Weyland Industries timeline had Acheron listed as "Archeron". They still have "Zeta 2 Reticula" (note the trailing 'a') on the timeline and not "Zeta 2 Reticuli" which is the formal name of the star system.

Having fixed one error (Acheron/Archeron -- typo?), but leaving the other, Reticula vs. Reticuli... Is it possible the latter is intentional?

Edit: fixed my own typo! Very meta!

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 		Reticula vs. Reticuli

Is one singular and the other plural ?
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Rocket Rob wrote:
Reticula vs. Reticuli

Is one singular and the other plural ?


I believe so; but adding a bit to the mystery is that the constellation is actually named Reticulum. This is latin for "net", I believe, but it's used to mean a small net, aka crosshairs -- i.e., a reticle in a telescope.

I'm not sure why the plural Reticuli is used when referring to stars in the constellation. Perhaps it's not plural, but diminutive? Someone with a better background in Latin or astronomy would have to say for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticulum

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 		Archeron was'nt intentional???
God, I can't believe the level of sloppiness.
You make a promo campaign, for christ's sake, at least get your facts straight, or better yet, get someone who knows anything about the Alien movies! Jeez!

Same thing here about damn Zeta Reticuli, incredible...

Ok, I don't know much about latin, that's my girlfriend's thing. She's not home unfortunately.
Although I know enough to say that Reticula is the plural of Reticulum. (Just like Curriculum>Curricula or Ultimatum>Ultimata). Reticuli is the genitive case, so if I understand correctly, it makes sense, because the stars "are of" the constellation, like they "belong" to it.
So Zeta is simply Z, and basically it's "Z from Reticulum" = Zeta Reticuli

Zeta Reticula, apart from seemingly referring to some techno-new age kinda acid-funky beats music artist(which I actually don't hate >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlLJfE3KXg)

is NOTHING, a big fat nothing, if not for some PR agent over there not checking his facts. would'nt be too surprised if they changed it.

UPDATE: Oh, and also Zeta Reticuli is a binary star system and that's fine, but Zeta 2 Reticuli is just the one star. The timeline says " outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System", which IIUC, does'nt make any sense whatsoever.

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