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Ok, for the part with no evidence, but could explain how Jay could be part of TTA. So The Operator causes memory loss. We know that. And we know that Alex said and/or thought that "everyone was gone" but we don't know why, as some of them are clearly still kicking around (Tim, Jay, possibly others). We have seen videos from season 1 where Jay was clearly much more involved than he had thought in Marble Hornets, and didn't remember it. So I think it would be safe to posit at least two memory losses for Jay. One during Marble Hornets filming and one at the 7 month gap. Many people suppose that Alex sacrificed the rest of the crew to save himself. I don't know that we have concrete evidence on that yet, but we have circumstantial so I'll agree with that. Alex sacrificed them somehow, resulting in them being "gone" and Jay (and some others at least) lost memories.


The idea of Jay having lost his memory of the Marble Hornets shoot is an interesting one, however there is some evidence against it. Jay mentioned on Twitter that he remembers his involvement in Entry #54, for example, so the memory loss during the Marble Hornets shoot is spotty at best. Since Jay doesn't remember having lost a substantial portion of his memories, we can probably conclude that the lost bits were small enough to where his brain could fill in the gaps over time.
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Xicon wrote:
The idea of Jay having lost his memory of the Marble Hornets shoot is an interesting one, however there is some evidence against it. Jay mentioned on Twitter that he remembers his involvement in Entry #54, for example, so the memory loss during the Marble Hornets shoot is spotty at best. Since Jay doesn't remember having lost a substantial portion of his memories, we can probably conclude that the lost bits were small enough to where his brain could fill in the gaps over time.


Hrm. I could have sworn that Jay said there were bits of him in the season one tapes that he didn't remember. I do know he said he remembered the rainy night of #54. But I think your idea of the brain filling in gaps is interesting. Either maybe when it's not severe, you make up or fill in the missing parts, the way Alzheimer's patients do, or maybe you remember the memories you lost eventually? I know the latter is not what you were saying, the former is, but I think that both are interesting.

I don't really believe my non-evidenced theory, it was really only my thought experiment of how Jay could be in TTA without knowing it. I think it is unlikely, but I do think it is not impossible. Unlikely perhaps but possible.
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The idea of Jay having lost his memory of the Marble Hornets shoot is an interesting one, however there is some evidence against it. Jay mentioned on Twitter that he remembers his involvement in Entry #54, for example, so the memory loss during the Marble Hornets shoot is spotty at best. Since Jay doesn't remember having lost a substantial portion of his memories, we can probably conclude that the lost bits were small enough to where his brain could fill in the gaps over time.


Hrm. I could have sworn that Jay said there were bits of him in the season one tapes that he didn't remember. I do know he said he remembered the rainy night of #54. But I think your idea of the brain filling in gaps is interesting. Either maybe when it's not severe, you make up or fill in the missing parts, the way Alzheimer's patients do, or maybe you remember the memories you lost eventually? I know the latter is not what you were saying, the former is, but I think that both are interesting.

I don't really believe my non-evidenced theory, it was really only my thought experiment of how Jay could be in TTA without knowing it. I think it is unlikely, but I do think it is not impossible. Unlikely perhaps but possible.


There were definitely bits he didn't remember, but they were just bits - it's unfortunately not as interesting as it would be were he to have forgotten ALL of the Marble Hornets production in one, huge chunk, like the missing seven months.
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 		Jay's going to lead them to Arkansas. The clue is the rock used to whack Tim, clearly a reference to Little Rock. There they'll board a riverboat and find the Ark of the Covenant. Again with the Nazis in the mythos! But it won't work, TTA - you can't melt the face off a guy who doesn't have one...

I'm wary of leaning too much on 'ark' as a metaphor/symbol, as it's just a fancy word for 'box'. There are religious overtones, sure, but they aren't necessarily consistent - storage for holy books, a giant boat, a floating bassinet... The only consistent symbolism is protection, and I could buy "to the ark" as "to that thing's place of refuge" (and that being "to death" at the same time, and that tying in with the 'bone closets' in fun ways - box, death, coffin!, etc.), but after a point it starts to sound like being vague in order to justify the speculation.

ETA: cold medicine. I'm blaming cold medicine.

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ETA: cold medicine. I'm blaming cold medicine.


...can I have some
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 		I've had this theory for awhile now, since the very beginning of the ark speculation when TTA Hacked jay with Entry #####, as to what the ark actually is.
It hasn't changed... It won't either. I think this might be close to it if not it.

Here's my ark theory...
Let's look at the meaning of an ARK shall we...

An ark is usually a point of transcendence, a point where some grand thing lies that sustains or promotes LIFE... Like the Blessed Virgin Mary, called the New Ark of the Covenant by Christians of the Catholic tradition, mother of jesus, bringer of eternal life.

The ark of the covenant held the ten commandments, guidelines for life given by god.

The ark in halo held the key to the life of the universe.

Noah's ark held all life during the flood.

If we consider this, then that must mean, give me this one here, that the ARK is the thing sustaining the LIFE FORCE of The operator... the thing feeding it... which means Alex either IS the ark (not because of the whole Alex R. Kralie thing but because of him sustaining slendy through his life,) Or the camera case that is still currently in alex's possesion (I think, not sure) is the ark, because it stores the energy keeping slendy alive.


/End theory.
As far as who tta is... If we consider the above to be even partially true, then anyone affected by slendy would be out to completely annihilate Alex, and destroy the ARK, even at the cost of their own lives, as outright stated in this video. Meaning: Tim, Seth, Jessica, Amy, Brian, Sarah (If we ever see her again), and subconsciously/unwillingly, Jay.

If this is a bit outta context, sorry. Lol. I'm kinda tired, it's three am over here.

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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
I've had this theory for awhile now, since the very beginning of the ark speculation when TTA Hacked jay with Entry #####, as to what the ark actually is.
It hasn't changed... It won't either. I think this might be close to it if not it.

Here's my ark theory...
Let's look at the meaning of an ARK shall we...

An ark is usually a point of transcendence, a point where some grand thing lies that sustains or promotes LIFE... Like the Blessed Virgin Mary, called the New Ark of the Covenant by Christians of the Catholic tradition, mother of jesus, bringer of eternal life.

The ark of the covenant held the ten commandments, guidelines for life given by god.

The ark in halo held the key to the life of the universe.

Noah's ark held all life during the flood.

If we consider this, then that must mean, give me this one here, that the ARK is the thing sustaining the LIFE FORCE of The operator... the thing feeding it... which means Alex either IS the ark (not because of the whole Alex R. Kralie thing but because of him sustaining slendy through his life,) Or the camera case that is still currently in alex's possesion (I think, not sure) is the ark, because it stores the energy keeping slendy alive.


/End theory.
As far as who tta is... If we consider the above to be even partially true, then anyone affected by slendy would be out to completely annihilate Alex, and destroy the ARK, even at the cost of their own lives, as outright stated in this video. Meaning: Tim, Seth, Jessica, Amy, Brian, Sarah (If we ever see her again), and subconsciously/unwillingly, Jay.

If this is a bit outta context, sorry. Lol. I'm kinda tired, it's three am over here.


Well if the Ark is a physical thing it probably is something needed to destroy the Operator. So your theory would make a lot of sense. Masky has tried numerous times now to kill Alex but he never succeeded. Most of the time when this happened Oppy was somehow involved in stopping him from doing so (when Tim attacks Alex with a knife a lot goes wrong with the camera after + Alex audio is very distorted, when they try to kill Alex with a rock they are scared away, presumably by the Operator and when there is struggle with the gun everything happens off camera so maybe the operator interfered there as well).

However this is all still speculation, we aren't even sure yet that the Ark is a real thing.

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I'll be honest, at least a little of that was seeing how far I could push it before I'd get your notice. Very Happy

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Cougar Draven: In addition to Xicon's problem with your theory (which I guess can be solved depending on your view of what constitutes the TTA account being a collective), I don't see how the ending of Season 2 debunks Tim being TTA... like, at all.


That one's simple. In "Decay" there was this whole "he will lead me to you, to the ark, to death" thing. If the "he" in the video is Jay (which, if I recall correctly, is the leading theory), then the "you" is Alex. But, if you'll recall, at the end of Season 2 Tim had Alex in his grasp. He didn't need to be "led" to Alex. So unless the entirety of Season 3, at least as long as Jay is going through Tim's tapes, takes place in 2006, even the TTA entries, Tim is almost certainly out. He had his chance.

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Ok, for the part with no evidence, but could explain how Jay could be part of TTA. So The Operator causes memory loss. We know that. And we know that Alex said and/or thought that "everyone was gone" but we don't know why, as some of them are clearly still kicking around (Tim, Jay, possibly others). We have seen videos from season 1 where Jay was clearly much more involved than he had thought in Marble Hornets, and didn't remember it. So I think it would be safe to posit at least two memory losses for Jay. One during Marble Hornets filming and one at the 7 month gap. Many people suppose that Alex sacrificed the rest of the crew to save himself. I don't know that we have concrete evidence on that yet, but we have circumstantial so I'll agree with that. Alex sacrificed them somehow, resulting in them being "gone" and Jay (and some others at least) lost memories.


The idea of Jay having lost his memory of the Marble Hornets shoot is an interesting one, however there is some evidence against it. Jay mentioned on Twitter that he remembers his involvement in Entry #54, for example, so the memory loss during the Marble Hornets shoot is spotty at best. Since Jay doesn't remember having lost a substantial portion of his memories, we can probably conclude that the lost bits were small enough to where his brain could fill in the gaps over time.


Again, if I recall correctly, he made mention of not remembering being as involved in the filming as he was. Now, it's entirely possible that being exposed to the S1 and S2 tapes jogged his memory and filled in gaps he wasn't even aware of, but he did say that he didn't remember helping Alex out more than once or twice.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Andvalli wrote:
Cougar Draven: In addition to Xicon's problem with your theory (which I guess can be solved depending on your view of what constitutes the TTA account being a collective), I don't see how the ending of Season 2 debunks Tim being TTA... like, at all.


That one's simple. In "Decay" there was this whole "he will lead me to you, to the ark, to death" thing. If the "he" in the video is Jay (which, if I recall correctly, is the leading theory), then the "you" is Alex. But, if you'll recall, at the end of Season 2 Tim had Alex in his grasp. He didn't need to be "led" to Alex. So unless the entirety of Season 3, at least as long as Jay is going through Tim's tapes, takes place in 2006, even the TTA entries, Tim is almost certainly out. He had his chance.


Tim had Alex in his grasp; Alex somehow got away. That doesn't necessarily debunk Tim being TTA as much as it suggests that he is terrible at his sworn mission. He followed Jay to Alex but let him get away in #35, in #45, in #52...

He had several chances. It doesn't mark him out of the game as TTA, but you've got to admire the batshit tenacity.

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mokie wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Andvalli wrote:
Cougar Draven: In addition to Xicon's problem with your theory (which I guess can be solved depending on your view of what constitutes the TTA account being a collective), I don't see how the ending of Season 2 debunks Tim being TTA... like, at all.


That one's simple. In "Decay" there was this whole "he will lead me to you, to the ark, to death" thing. If the "he" in the video is Jay (which, if I recall correctly, is the leading theory), then the "you" is Alex. But, if you'll recall, at the end of Season 2 Tim had Alex in his grasp. He didn't need to be "led" to Alex. So unless the entirety of Season 3, at least as long as Jay is going through Tim's tapes, takes place in 2006, even the TTA entries, Tim is almost certainly out. He had his chance.


Tim had Alex in his grasp; Alex somehow got away. That doesn't necessarily debunk Tim being TTA as much as it suggests that he is terrible at his sworn mission. He followed Jay to Alex but let him get away in #35, in #45, in #52...

He had several chances. It doesn't mark him out of the game as TTA, but you've got to admire the batshit tenacity.


Also the batshit insanity.
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 		Goddamnit, the one time I watch one of these full screen.

Anyway I'm in favour of him talking to Alex and about Jay, given that Alex was the one leading people to be omnomnomed, and Jay....well frankly Jay hasn't really done much of anything.

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Corvus42 wrote:
Goddamnit, the one time I watch one of these full screen.

Anyway I'm in favour of him talking to Alex and about Jay, given that Alex was the one leading people to be omnomnomed, and Jay....well frankly Jay hasn't really done much of anything.


just went through your slender gallery, half of those pictures he's not even in, or he is and just vaguely enough to see him but really some pictures (like the house on fire) could use work

some are great though

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pravado wrote:
Corvus42 wrote:
Goddamnit, the one time I watch one of these full screen.

Anyway I'm in favour of him talking to Alex and about Jay, given that Alex was the one leading people to be omnomnomed, and Jay....well frankly Jay hasn't really done much of anything.


just went through your slender gallery, half of those pictures he's not even in, or he is and just vaguely enough to see him but really some pictures (like the house on fire) could use work

some are great though


Thanks, but he's definitely in each of them. Smile I alternate between making him really hard to spot and really easy.

as for Ablaze, its actually one of my favourites, but I'm surprised how many people can't spot him.
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