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elkapo
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ReverendJ wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.
Perhaps Alex wanted to escape Tim so he ran and left Jay the tapes so he would eventually walk into Alex's (and the Operator's) waiting arms.

Jay however uploads them to the net where Tim sees them and knows the game is not over. Alex looses his ability to act unhindered because TTA is now following Jay into the trap. I think Jay was suppose to be the final MH Operator victim at the abandoned house used as a return address in the "Help me" tape. TTA's tail prevented Alex from making his move the first time Jay visits it and the second time Masky is waiting for them in the house itself and Jay presence keeps Alex from killing Tim since he still needs Jay to trust him if he's going to setup a new trap. To make matters worse TTA now can directly harass Alex and he's unable to do his work.

As an added bonus future potential victims maybe tainted with knowledge of these events now moving Alex from useful tool for the Operator to expendable liability.

Now Tim and TTA are not only using Alex's own methods against him to prime Jay for the final hunt, they are flaunting this to Alex by posting the TTA videos we have so far. "Alex we are coming for you, and Jay's going to lead us completely willingly now!"


Damn! this is VERY consistent!

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Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.


Then why did Alex gave Jay those tapes in the first place? He could've just burned them.

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NewInTown2 wrote:

Then why did Alex gave Jay those tapes in the first place? He could've just burned them.


Well like I said, Alex didn't just offer them up. He told Jay he was planning on burning them, but Jay was persistent in insisting that he didn't let all that work go to waste, which is what eventually persuaded Alex to give Jay his Marble Hornets footage. More than likely just to shut him up. It's feasable that he didn't expect/want Jay to broadcast them on the internet.

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Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

How can the operator take Tim away when we clearly hear him waking up (the coughing) at the end of the video?


Listen, we have no idea what the heck happened. I still think that despite the indication that Tim was still in the room at the end of the video, the Operator was still there, and in any event, he might have Operated on him after the tape ended. We just don't know. Tim woke up, obviously, but he was still probably dazed/only half consiouss/incapacitated/whatever, which maintains him being an open target for Slendy doing whatever he wanted to do. In any event, Slenderator was most likely somehow responsible for Tim's later appearence in what we're presently assuming is the annex, because I don't think he would have dragged his injurred self there because he felt like it. c(-:


I like the possibility that Tim ended up in the annex cuz he was trying to escape Slendy but couldn't so he just collapsed in the corner to Slendyraped to do anything. But that's just my preference Cool

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BeastNoob wrote:

I like the possibility that Tim ended up in the annex cuz he was trying to escape Slendy but couldn't so he just collapsed in the corner to Slendyraped to do anything. But that's just my preference Cool


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I am tempted to write a fanficiton depicting this. Very Happy


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 		It's funny, a lot of the footage we've seen Alex shoot with Brian in Marble Hornets as of late has just been him standing around, staring, or just reflecting while he leans against a wall or something. Laughing

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 		He was working on one heck of montage.

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Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.


Here's what I think about why Alex gave J the tapes:
As many people have said, I believe it was on purpose to convince J that he was innocent. I think he wanted to do this because even though J had his memory wiped of what we can assume to be some pretty nasty incidents that were quite possibly Alex's doing, he was afraid that unless he cemented some other sort of idea in J's head of what happened over that period of time, J might start to realize he was missing time, or maybe even recall some things that happened.
I think Alex and J were such close friends that Alex knew him well enough to guess that saying he was going to burn them all would spark J's curiosity so it wouldn't even seem like it was Alex's idea to get rid of the tapes (either that or J asked for the tapes and Alex saw a golden opportunity, went home, edited/deleted/switched them around then handed them over).
However, Alex made a big mistake in failing to realize two things:

1. Just how much memory J had really lost (I bet he would've removed most of the tapes he "knew" J didn't remember
2. That totheark and/or Timasky would get involved.

I think these two occurrences (along with the fact that J was broadcasting it all to the world via youtube) were what made Alex say "I never should have given you those tapes"-in other words, his plan backfired in a major wayand now he's pissed.

Sorry if this has been suggested before/ is really obvious but I don't think I've seen it anywhere.

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RiftTraveler wrote:
I always made the presumption that Alex's timers in Season 1 had to do with the length of time the tape would record. He'd put in a fresh tape, hit record, start the timer counting down from an hour (or whatever) and when the timer went off, the tape was about to run out and it'd be his signal to change it.

Thus, he wouldn't forget, and go for however long without being recorded.

-Tycho


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Slendrdog wrote:

Here's what I think about why Alex gave J the tapes:
As many people have said, I believe it was on purpose to convince J that he was innocent. I think he wanted to do this because even though J had his memory wiped of what we can assume to be some pretty nasty incidents that were quite possibly Alex's doing, he was afraid that unless he cemented some other sort of idea in J's head of what happened over that period of time, J might start to realize he was missing time, or maybe even recall some things that happened.

I think Alex and J were such close friends that Alex knew him well enough to guess that saying he was going to burn them all would spark J's curiosity so it wouldn't even seem like it was Alex's idea to get rid of the tapes (either that or J asked for the tapes and Alex saw a golden opportunity, went home, edited/deleted/switched them around then handed them over).


Assuming Jay's initial post to the Something Awful forums is actually canon (alternate link), there wasn't enough time for Alex to do any manipulative editing. Jay just suddenly showed up one day, and Alex bagged up the tapes, handed them over, and then shut the door on him. While it's possible that the tapes were altered before Jay mentioned them, this would have had to have been done pretty far in advance, since there's a huge time gap between when Marble Hornets was being filmed and when the series starts.

I'm not entirely convinced Alex is going into this whole friend-murder thing completely in control of himself. There's a very big difference in the way Alex disposes of Tim and Brian and the way Alex tries to do the same with Jay and Jessica.

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 		guys i'm pretty sure alex gave jay the tapes so that we could have a web series to watch

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 		I think it's a rather fair (and generally-accepted) assumption to take the contents of the videos at face value.

Even from an OOG perspective, this is a found-footage series. Even if the characters lie, the footage should be assumed to be a constant of veracity. To my knowledge, there has been no mention IG that any of the tapes we have been shown so far has been altered or edited since they were filmed.

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 		I feel like we're on the verge of reactivating inactivity.

Okay, so here's something I was actually hoping there woud be more speculation about. I mean, it's not really somehting that can be looked into with great depth because it's so ambiguous and there's almost no evidence in the series that lends anything to it (yet), but something that caught me while I was watching the entry was that Tim obviously did not want to go over to the annex. I guess some people bought the whole "oh, I just don't really feel like it..." thing, but as we can see, Tim is a pretty accomodating guy. There was obviously something "up" with that building that made him not want to go there? A history, perhaps? Comments, tibulations?

No? Whatever.

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 		I get what you're saying, but we don't really have much to go on beyond "Tim doesn't seem to want to be at the annex, but somehow he wound up there with a security blanket and a bad case of whooping cough". I suspect it is related to his seeming Slendy-sickness like symptoms, but we probably won't get any more clues until TTA decides to spout off some cryptic BS or Entry #57 arrives. (Crossing my fingers for cryptic BS real soon, actually...)

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
I get what you're saying, but we don't really have much to go on beyond "Tim doesn't seem to want to be at the annex, but somehow he wound up there with a security blanket and a bad case of whooping cough".


Um...yeah. T_T

Ithilwen22 wrote:
I suspect it is related to his seeming Slendy-sickness like symptoms, but we probably won't get any more clues until TTA decides to spout off some cryptic BS or Entry #57 arrives. (Crossing my fingers for cryptic BS real soon, actually...)


I don't know about Totheark initially giving us the answers we're looking for, but I at least hope the next entry shows us the time gap between Entry #56 and Entry #51. I just have some unnerving doubts in that, why, if the tape had apparently timed out by the end of Entry #56, that an incapacitated Tim would take the time to replace it for a new tape. This worries me greatly.

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