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Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
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The Percolator
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 		Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
Just hear me out here. I'm working on answering all of the other questions with a comprehensive 2006 timeline, but for now, I'm going to give you just the meat of it all, by answering WHY Sarah is almost DEFINITELY totheark.

Let's look at the 3 entries where we watch Alex get rid of two of our Marble Hornets leads, and the cameraman, and let's do so chronologically.

Entry 56 happens first, with Alex getting rid of Tim after saying he's been "busy for weeks".

We see him possibly the day after or definitely sometime soon, getting rid of Brian in Entry 51 (and our Tim sighting).

Last comes the events of Entry 22, possibly that night. Alex lures Seth into being taken by The Operator, under the pretense of finding their missing friends. Alex's video notes that he and Seth were the last two, and in this orders, lists the names of the people who are "gone", ""Seth is gone. …. Brian is gone, and Tim is, and Jay, and Sarah."

Notice the trend? It works backwards. Which means during the weeks that "stuff came up", Alex was getting rid of Sarah first, and then Jay. We see more or less how the three guys are taken out, and NONE of them (except with the possibility of Brian) were shot. Jay is completely fine with no sign of bullet injury, which leaves our actress Sarah who I believed was shot by Alex.

Maybe you'll ask me, "How can you be so sure it's not Brian over Sarah? Or even Seth (with all his camera experience)?" I'll tell you.

First and foremost, addressing Seth, I believe he is the red herrings of red herrings. Throwing Occam's Razor out the window, he's just way too obviously the choice, and I feel like this fact is being manipulated. He's the cameraman, the first we see "executed" of the cast, and he even pops back up for a few moments in Season 3.

Here are the important clues!

- Entry 12 is generally regarded as the one of the earliest entries we've seen so far (the second earliest is usually the consensus, after Entry 5). There are only 3 people confirmed present. They are Alex and Brian who we see on camera, and a camerawoman (the only one who it could of been would be Sarah). This might of tied her into fate with working against The Operator as totheark, being one of the first to encounter him (take note at this point, Alex does not seem to be aware of what The Operator is, beginning to speak with him with "Hey buddy"). Important of note is that they are waiting for Tim to show up, seemingly tying the fates of those 4 (Alex, Brian, Tim, and Sarah). "Impurity" even tells us "There was more", telling us that something happened during this time, and I believe Sarah is a part of it.

- totheark's very first reply "Regards" is directly in response to Entry 9. This is our introduction to both Seth and Sarah (and less notably Tim), but we are told to Look Closely by totheark. This leaves Seth and Sarah as the two prime candidates, both who seemed to take a little bit of verbal abuse from Alex.

- Whoever totheark was had access to Alex's tapes because of "Operator", or at least access to the audio. Seth seems more likely here, but Sarah has also acted as camerawoman as we discussed before.

- "Deluge" reversed and sped up x2 gives us a GIRL'S voice repeating "Alex", followed by the message of "Watching You".

- "Exit" is still pretty ambiguous, but seems to be a third person that wasn't suppose to be present with camera experience. Again, likely Sarah or Seth.

- Program is signed off with a very distinct S, again likely standing for Sarah or Seth (again, I'm going to say Sarah, due to the following...)

- ADVOCATE was one of the biggest headaches I think we've dealt with. Entry 7 tells us that there's a girl present in the car. However, Advocate shows the backseat with no one there. We also see the S symbol (or initial I think) in the top right corner. The way I've comprehended it is, as the first of Alex's victims (who instead of being Slenderized, Alex attempted and possibly succeeded in actually killing), Sarah is a "ghost".

- Everything else is pretty vague, but "Reminder" asks "Do You Remember Me?" Again, this points to it most likely being Sarah or Seth.

The other big thing is all the water imagery in totheark's videos, SPECIFICALLY the "are you drowning" from "Broadcast". I've been thinking and I feel like this may of been Sarah's fate:

- Sarah was the first one to notice Alex's suspicious change in behavior, and begin to follow him sometime after her initial encounter in Entry 12.

- By the time of Exit takes place, she is stalking Alex and Jay trying to figure out what is going on.

- Alex finds out that she knows about his slowly descent into madness, and (possibly loses control) and shoots her, keeping the bullet casing on his person as to not be caught.

- Alex dumps Sarah's corpse, or possibly attempts to drown the injured-but-still living cast member in some kind of body of water (a lake or swamp judging by the poem in Operator with the "Are you drowning" from "Broadcast" being a taunt).

- Alex realizes at this point that he has to use The Operator to rid himself of Jay, Tim, Brian, and Seth, the remaining crew, but does not realize that The Operator makes some kind of negotiation with Sarah so that she may survive (possibly taking her sanity).

- Alex wises up, and uses The Operator to assist in "sacrificing". He attempts to get Jay next, possibly knocking him out and having The Operator do work on him. Sarah is able to rescue Jay through unknown means (without Alex's knowledge) without any consequences except for memory loss.

- Tim and Brian are both attempted to be executed by Alex not long in between each other. While Alex is preoccupied with Brian, Sarah is able to save Tim (whose sickness symptoms such as the coughing are actually his body attempting to reject The Operator as a sort of virus, and possibly protecting him from being sacrificed). Tim develops an alter ego to cope with the events (one that only emerges during his unconsciousness, explaining Tim's sleep problems). This alter ego is also aware of everything Alex has done, and as such, is incorporated into totheark.

- It is possible that Sarah and Tim are able to save one, or even both, of the other two crew members. I say this for reasons because Hoody seems to have a male frame when he turns up again in 45, and this could either be Seth or Brian. At the moment I am going to say BRIAN is definitely DEAD. The reasons for this being that Tim at least coughs to let us know he's still alive. Brian's body is stripped and dragged. Things do not look too good for Seth either, but at the very least, if he were to be inducted into TTA it would explain all the nifty camera work.

- Now, to get down to the last two things, and they're the big ones. Entry 53 and Reminder tell us that tta was filming Jay film into the shop. Someone enhanced a reflection, and it seemed like a skinny feminine figure doing the recording. This fits Sarah's description perfectly. Also, not to say anything feminine about Troy, but OOG, we know that he filled in for Hoody during the initial appearance in 42. His skinny shorter stature fits well for standing in for a female, such as Sarah.

- This very last one though, is attributed most to Lifegospel, who pointed out that if you put all the S1 totheark video descriptions together, you get "Yes, Remember me? 7 eyes. s.+"

What I always got from the last part of it, the "s.+" was "sarah and tim" (possibly seth and tim, but again, least likely in my eyes). As for the "7 eyes" bit, that always confused me. Sticking with my theory, we know that Alex, Jay, and Tim obviously all have 7 eyes. What if Sarah was shot in one of hers whenever she was attacked by Alex?

It's possible I'll turn out to be completely wrong, but I thought it was an interesting idea I needed to get out there after remembering all the subtle "S" hints that totheark dropped about. I also don't think Brian is a viable candidate as totheark's main brain just because nothing attributes him to being techsavvy in any way and again, Seth just seems way to obvious of a red herring. (totheark asks in "Remember" "do you remember me?" and then Seth shows up in 54? I feel like it's TOO obvious to the point of playing mind games.)

All in all, Sarah is the loose end that Alex never finished off, and is attempting revenge. The reason for the name "totheark" is because she wants to be able to embrace death (the ark), but cannot do so until Alex and/or The Operator have been defeated. Another supporting bit for this is the whole "smile for death" business.

(One last OOG sidenote. While I remember reading before that Sarah's actress was a hire, she reappears in the Marble Hornets trailer, and could seemingly just be rehired to finish out the parts that needed to. It was possibly that Troseph gave misleading information so that we wouldn't think that Sarah was a viable tta candidate. If I turn out to be completely wrong though, and tta turns out to be Seth, I won't mind.)

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 		Re: Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
The Percolator wrote:
Sarah's actress was a hire
No, you're confusing Sarah and Jessica.

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 		No, I knew Jessica was also a hire, but I thought I read Sarah was too. Either way, it doesn't detract from my point, and actually helps my argument if the case is that she's not.

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 		Re: Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
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ModEdit: No need to quote the whole thing.

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 		Re: Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
GameGodOfAll wrote:
The Percolator wrote:
-le snip-


k

Best response ever.


But really, your argument has some valid points but I really don't think that she is TTA. I feel like she still has some relevance within the series still but she is not TTA. I don't have any reason, its just a feeling.
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 		I just wanna say that I love this theory. I want to believe it, so I probably will. The sad truth though, is that I've never seen a good, elaborate theory for any series actually come true.


The Percolator wrote:
No, I knew Jessica was also a hire, but I thought I read Sarah was too. Either way, it doesn't detract from my point, and actually helps my argument if the case is that she's not.


Through all the lurking I've done, I'm almost certain that Sarah's actress is not, in fact, a hire and was actually one of Troy and Joseph's friends from high school.

Also, one more OOG thing that may support your theory:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Sarah's actress' name is Mary. Other than Troy/Jay, Joseph/Alex, and Amy's actress, she is the only Season 1 actor to play a character who's name is different from her real one. Seth is Seth. Brian is Brian. Tim is Tim.

So there's a chance that Troseph purposely gave her the name "Sarah" because they had long-term plans for her character.


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Sarah: "I was thinking of creating a masked alliance to kill our boss. Sound cool to you?"

Tim: "Really...? Maybe I'll go along for the ride. I-If Brian's coming too, I-I mean..."


Anyways...
When you say Sarah is TTA, do you mean that she's also Hoodie? Or are we going with Jay's "these videos are made by different people" theory?
I'm alright with Sarah being TTA, but the drowning and ark=death things are a bit of a stretch...
Still, I do have a rather ominous premonition that we'll learn Jay and Sarah were stuffed into the hospital at some point. Finding out that Alex really did dispose of them would make for a great entry.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
That name change you mentioned is pretty interesting...


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ToTheArcanine wrote:
Anyways...
When you say Sarah is TTA, do you mean that she's also Hoodie? Or are we going with Jay's "these videos are made by different people" theory?
I'm alright with Sarah being TTA, but the drowning and ark=death things are a bit of a stretch...
Still, I do have a rather ominous premonition that we'll learn Jay and Sarah were stuffed into the hospital at some point. Finding out that Alex really did dispose of them would make for a great entry.


foood, I had no clue about that, I actually do find that really interesting.

Arcanine, my general theory is that Sarah is both the brains of TTA AND Hoody, and Brian and Seth are red herrings that Troseph have talked about how much they enjoy placing. She was forced to start coming out in person in 42/45 because of Tim's injury, and "Intermission" asks "Did you see me?" with the sketch that resembles Hoody. (Although this wouldn't be the first time TTA misled Jay, telling him to "find me" showing the location of the house) One of the things that I enjoy about this that tasks onto the One-Eyed Sarah theory (to make 7 eyes make any sort of sense) is in Classified, that shows two different colored dots in Hoody's eye holes.

If there is a third person aside from Sarah and Tim, who acts as Hoody, then I believe it to be Seth. He was the other person to take verbal abuse, has the camera skills to aid tta, and we don't see his immediate fate after being attacked by The Operator. Brian however, is attacked after he tries to help Tim, and his limp body is dragged unmoving into the adjacent room. No coughing fit or anything. The camera than shows the room he was dragged in with no body present. Sarah probably wanted to, but couldn't help him in time, and could of used it as a distraction to scoop up Tim (I mean, those side burns, how can you resist them?)

The problem concerning whether tta is lying about being Hoody is my only roadblock though, and with future entries, I feel like my theory will be closer and closer to coming true. I fully believe that Sarah was Alex's first victim by way of gunshot (I mean we STILL haven't gotten an answer to the bullet shell yet, and we know that Alex is the only one of the characters to possess a gun) and she is the mastermind behind totheark.

EDIT: Adding to my 7 eyes/1 eyed Sarah theory, I just remembered "Indicator". Does anyone else remember the creepy ass TTA entry with the one eyed baby?

I've forgot to mention this up until now too, but the reason why I like the idea of Alex, Jay, Tim, and Sarah being the main participants is because of the Four Is Death Trope

Alex's Birthday is 04/04/91 (also interestingly enough, 91, the description for "Return", is also the first time The Operator reappeared in the present, outside of Alex's tapes. Compare with The Operator's possibly first chronological appearance in enttry 37.)

The Operator reappearing at 4:04 pm in his reunion with Alex in Entry 26.

The Operator returns once again in Entry 40, and then takes away Alex in Entry 44.

Entry 49, Alex bashes in Beardy's head 4 times.

The four birthday candles in the spectrograph for "Today Is Your Last Birthday" in Decay, which goes over and re-emphasizes the 4.4. in Entry 26.

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 		Not to be a dick but this is the worst theory I've ever read

It's wild assumptions left and right and they have little to back them up



I always took the bullet casing as someone tried to shoot the operator and failed, that's why there was a lack of blood anywhere (the sink blood was from slender sickness - lead to pills)

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 		Since Tim was explicitly shown to survive the sacrifice whereas Brian and Seth weren't, I've had it in my head that Sarah might be Hoody or otherwise TTA involved. We have three sacrificees shown alive (Jay, Tim, Hoody), know who two are (Jay, Tim), and have three that either haven't been shown sacrificed or were shown to survive it (Jay, Tim, Sarah). So it makes sense in a way, but it's still pretty out there so I don't know how likely of a possibility it is. I'm just looking forward to finding out.

And way to go on the timeline, I'd love to see that when it's done.

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 		Pravado, you're fine man, I'm all for criticism, I just always felt like the "Seth or Brian is tta" camp are made way too obvious, and especially in Brian's case, doesn't fit with what we actual know of the character. Word of God states that we've missed a lot of the clues from TTA videos, and we don't know the significance of many things, such as the S, the water imagery, why a one-eyed baby, the girl's voice repeating Alex, and the such.

I think 44 is suppose to show us that the sink blood is WITHOUT A doubt from slender sickness, that's definitely agreed upon. But WHY keep the bullet shell unless the evidence could be used against him, and WHY would Masky take it? The Operator's not filing any missing person reports any time soon, but if a body (such as Sarah's were too), that would be ample reason to have the bullet shell.

We see that Alex is the only one aware of The Operator, and he was obviously taking up some residence at Brian's house for a period after Brian's demise. But maybe you're right too. It's very possible that Alex could of killed Sarah by accident, by attempting to shoot The Operator or something of the sort, and it simply went through him and killed Sarah who could of been behind him, or The Operator simply just changed the bullet trajectory.

Oscar Langley wrote:
Since Tim was explicitly shown to survive the sacrifice whereas Brian and Seth weren't, I've had it in my head that Sarah might be Hoody or otherwise TTA involved. We have three sacrificees shown alive (Jay, Tim, Hoody), know who two are (Jay, Tim), and have three that either haven't been shown sacrificed or were shown to survive it (Jay, Tim, Sarah). So it makes sense in a way, but it's still pretty out there so I don't know how likely of a possibility it is. I'm just looking forward to finding out.

And way to go on the timeline, I'd love to see that when it's done.


Thank you so much, and I plan on posting the timeline tonight if I get time after work! Like I said, I and many others definitely inferred the same way, and I'll say again that Brian definitely didn't deserve. Unconsciously or not, I feel like Alex named the order of demises in 22, and I feel like Sarah, who would of been the first one to escape, would be the one to help the others and then affirm her identity as totheark.

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 		We need the next entry.
However Tim got out of that hospital is bound to be a hint at TTA's identity.

...Quick; could any of the TTA vids hint at how TTA was formed?
Could "The Twins; what did they see? I saw it." be a reference to what Brian/Seth saw during their final moments?
Could "There was mre" mean that more than Brian/Tim/Seth were brought to the hospital?
Could "the years wasted" mean that Tim and TTA went around for years before meeting up?

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 		I don't really buy it, there isn't enough clear clues (not just derived from wild speculation) in the series and the fact that Sarah the actress is barely mentioned, less than Brian, Amy or even Seth leads to conclude that Sara was not important to the plot. While the character of Sara might have been central to the film Alex Karilie's Marble Hornets (Indeed that character gets mentioned more than her actress in this series.) outside of that film she's just there to fill a void.

Having her be important in the third act without any buildup would just seem like an ass pull.

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pravado wrote:
Not to be a dick but this is the worst theory I've ever read

It's wild assumptions left and right and they have little to back them up



I always took the bullet casing as someone tried to shoot the operator and failed, that's why there was a lack of blood anywhere (the sink blood was from slender sickness - lead to pills)


"not to be a dick, but I'm going to flame your post and post my half thought out theory without much proof, being my only reason for flaming your theory."

...yeah... it's a theory, pravado. We don't have much to go on in this series, and he had a shocking amount of evidence, considering. I'm sorry if his theory doesn't mesh perfectly with your own, but you can't go around flaming every theory you don't like. It's called etiquette. Fucking learn it before you reply to another thread. I've never seen you post something without making me want to reach through my monitor and punch you in the face, but I don't normally say anything. Why? Because I have a certain amount of respect for your longevity on these forums. Unfortunately, it seems the majority of your posts are throwaway bullshit, and most of your theories seem to be formed just to troll everybody into pointing out that they don't make any sense. So please, for the love of khoda, grow a brain, and/or learn some etiquette, or else get off these forums.
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