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jpublic
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Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 17
Skyfall wrote:
I think the problem lies in the fact that my post leaves me open to misinterpretation. I wasn't saying "Dana and Margaret are human beings and the AIs aren't," I was saying "Dana and Margaret are human beings , not flavor-text stuck up in a blog somewhere once a week to keep us happy."
See, now that I can buy and get behind. Yes, *in game*, I accept that AM is a real person, and that Melissa could be threatening her life.
I just *IN GAME* have an issue with the belief echoed around here that her humanity gives her some extra right to exist over the AIs.
*In real life* would be another story.
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:23 pm
TheBiggestSean
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Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 90
It could be argued that Melissa seems alien because she doesn't understand concepts that WE find trivial, like Fast food. So the Flea is very single minded - it doesn't make him an enemy.
I just can't get behind the concept that he's there to hurt and/or destroy.
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:30 pm
johnny5
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 995 Location: Elysian Fields
Consider that the flea is not designed for interaction.
He has no user interface per se. His current language is that of the SPDR which he is emulating.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:20 am
eMouse
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Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 179
The flea has been intent on attaching itself to the Princess. When the Princess is contained the Flea is apparently unaware of her location.
Since the Flea apparently has some sway over Melissa, it seems reasonable to expect that the Princess, out of desperation, might let the Flea attach itself to her.
We don't know if that could be an incredibly bad thing.
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:35 am
Lurking_Kouzou
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Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 124 Location: Earth
Looks like our time is up, let's hope we made the right decision...
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7507
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:58 pm
eMouse
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Wild spec...
What we decide is going to determine what happens to Durga at the critical moments before the artifact's detonation.
If the Queen and the Princess are reintegrated, Durga will hold out.
If the two are not reintegrated, Durga will go rampant.
If the Flea is attached to them, it will probably override Durga and prevent her from helping with the artifact.
Best solution is to get the Queen and the Princess back together, and get the Flea out of the picture. Is there any possible way to make the Queen aware of the Flea?
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:18 pm
Phaedra
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Joined: 21 Sep 2004 Posts: 4033 Location: Here, obviously
jpublic wrote:
Skyfall wrote:
I think the problem lies in the fact that my post leaves me open to misinterpretation. I wasn't saying "Dana and Margaret are human beings and the AIs aren't," I was saying "Dana and Margaret are human beings , not flavor-text stuck up in a blog somewhere once a week to keep us happy."
See, now that I can buy and get behind. Yes, *in game*, I accept that AM is a real person, and that Melissa could be threatening her life.
I just *IN GAME* have an issue with the belief echoed around here that her humanity gives her some extra right to exist over the AIs.
*In real life* would be another story.
I agree. In real life, I think I would have to value the life of a human being over that of a program, even a program that is in some ways an extension of a human personality.
But in-game, they seem to be operating under the assumption that the AIs really are the people from whose brains they sprang -- i.e. even if Yasmine is suppressed, Durga really is Yasmine and not just a program that mimics her brain waves.
Therefore, I'm not sure that the fact that Dana and Margaret exist in human flesh and Melissa/Yasmine/SP/Durga exist in circuitry necessarily gives Dana and Margaret greater rights or entails a greater responsibility to them on our part.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:11 pm
thebruce
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Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 6899 Location: Kitchener, Ontario
but see here's another spec - given Herzog's use of seek behold and reveal in one clip, what if the Flea is actually Herzog's attempt at getting the 'secret' information, the Truth, about the artifact by infecting a military AI? Maybe somehow Herzog got his little program somehow onto the Apocalypso before the crash? I dunno... just another way of looking at the odd Herzog/mantra situation... in which case, the Flea would be the thing we need to help, no?
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:27 pm
kingchaos2
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thebruce wrote:
but see here's another spec - given Herzog's use of seek behold and reveal in one clip, what if the Flea is actually Herzog's attempt at getting the 'secret' information, the Truth, about the artifact by infecting a military AI? Maybe somehow Herzog got his little program somehow onto the Apocalypso before the crash? I dunno... just another way of looking at the odd Herzog/mantra situation... in which case, the Flea would be the thing we need to help, no?
That's what I'm saying. If everybody's objective is to seek, reveal, and behold the truth, how can the flea be an enemy? That's why I originally said he must have been programmed by somebody other than the Covenant. In the new clips, what Herzog said sounded eerily familiar...
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:43 pm
hurdleguy
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
So what's the deal with the muffled sounding Jersey? Did they separate him and Kamal? Or is he offline?
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:10 pm
thebruce
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Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 6899 Location: Kitchener, Ontario
Rani wav - she's in her home (likely) and Jersey came by, he's outside. Durga spoke through Rani's chatter maybe?
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:12 pm
ABoxInABox
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thebruce wrote:
Rani wav - she's in her home (likely) and Jersey came by, he's outside. Durga spoke through Rani's chatter maybe?
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
According to other wavs, Rani is talking to Durga through her door.
Edit: Spoilered it just in case someone hasn't gotten that far yet.
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:26 pm
thebruce
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I doubt she's through the door... but jersey definitely is... durga's too clear
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:48 pm
ABoxInABox
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thebruce wrote:
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I doubt she's through the door... but jersey definitely is... durga's too clear
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In the door... Jersey says something like "I promise you won't have to talk to a door".
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:53 pm
thebruce
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ahem "through a door"
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:54 pm
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