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Boreamor
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Kilo wrote:
I do think Tim may be the best actor of the three.

But I'm with people who cite this as a disappointing entry.

Overall, I really feel like that the MarbleHornets' crew strength lies in short, episodic things. I mean, on its own, this was a great entry- Tim's a great actor, it's a very tensely directed entry. But, it still doesn't bring us any closer to any answers, and is just another random tape in the scheme of things. Sure, he said he didn't want to go to the annex but then did anyway, but can you really blame the guy who just woke up in the middle of nowhere after dark because he got thwacked in the head by someone he thought trustworthy for going back on his word?

*shrug*

It's just another filler entry that does not drive the story forward at all, and it seems like there's too many of those. The rest of the entry is strong, I'll admit that much.


I wish people like you would fuck off these forums. It's a horror series, not a Q&A.

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Kilo
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Boreamor wrote:
Kilo wrote:
I do think Tim may be the best actor of the three.

But I'm with people who cite this as a disappointing entry.

Overall, I really feel like that the MarbleHornets' crew strength lies in short, episodic things. I mean, on its own, this was a great entry- Tim's a great actor, it's a very tensely directed entry. But, it still doesn't bring us any closer to any answers, and is just another random tape in the scheme of things. Sure, he said he didn't want to go to the annex but then did anyway, but can you really blame the guy who just woke up in the middle of nowhere after dark because he got thwacked in the head by someone he thought trustworthy for going back on his word?

*shrug*

It's just another filler entry that does not drive the story forward at all, and it seems like there's too many of those. The rest of the entry is strong, I'll admit that much.


I wish people like you would fuck off these forums. It's a horror series, not a Q&A.


Jesus man, there's no need to get so hostile. I don't understand what's so bad in desiring answers in a story you've been following closely for 3 years.

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ToTheArcanine
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Kilo is fine. He isn't bashing the series/entry, he's just anxious for Maskie-answers and is worried Troy will run out of S3 time. Have faith in Master Wagner, Kilo.
Prevado on the other hand... Wink

But really, let's discuss the entry more.
Perhaps Alex was resisting the will of the Operator last entry but fell completely under it in this entry. The Operator was forcing Alex to do it again and do it right.

"No resisting now!", TO sinisterly taunted Alex with while forcing him to lift the heaviest and rustiest pipe in the area. "I find your taste in weapons... Lacking, my friend. Remove his face or incur the wrath of The Operator of this hospital!"
Just then, in the small corner of his mind that Slendy couldn't reach, Alex had an idea; maybe he could get out of this if he hid Tim's face. But with what...?

/fanfiction

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onetruepurple
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I didn't mind this entry, but tbh it would have worked out much better if this entry was uploaded before the previous.

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I really hope TT won't disappoint us.
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Jamocha101
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NewInTown2 wrote:

How can people be wrong about their own opinions? God you sound douché, I say to each their own. I personally liked the entry, because of how tense it was + I'll be wasting my day watching it over an over again to find stuff in the dark Razz


I was just kidding, bro. Yeah, people are completley entitled to their opinions, so as long as they don't get overly ragey about it, I really don't care. What I meant on a serious note is that I wasn't exactly thrilled about the entry myself, but after I read what people thought was wrong with it, I objected to them in my mind and it made me realize how many pro's the entry really has. So I ended up being a lover. XD

NewInTown2 wrote:

So Alex lured Tim to a abandoned building just to knock him out and let him wake up again a few hours later? That seems pretty pointless to me..


Well heck man, I don't know. Have we ever really known what Alex has been up to since this whole ting started? Somebody suggested that he impulsively didn't kill Tim because he subconsioussly thought it was "wrong" for lack of a beter word, and came back later to fix his mistakes. Every speculation I've heard about this so far has been far-fetched, including that one, but I guess it just caught my attention the most.

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So Alex lured Tim to a abandoned building just to knock him out and let him wake up again a few hours later? That seems pretty pointless to me..


Don't you think it's likely Alex returned because he had forgotten that Tim's camera had possibly incriminating evidence on it? And when he went to look, behold! It (and Tim) had flown the coop.

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ToTheArcanine wrote:
'Sup guys! Randomly checked to see if Jay tweeted anything and saw the new entry up. (Don't you just love the feeling of a new entry?)

First, obligatory "Tim was so awesome and this was horrifying". The atmosphere and tension are just so amazing... I felt so bad for Tim. Crying or Very sad

Moving on, allow me to post my newest theory:

*Ahem*
The reason Alex was hanging out in the annex is the same reason Alex was hanging out in Rosswood at off-peak hours; mysterious slendy-reasons. Why did he attack Tim? The same reason he offed Bruce; Slendy-rage.
Unlike Bruce, however, Tim survives his encounter somehow. Tim knows what happened and Hoodie joins him. But what of the timeline?
...Something interesting I noticed... Assuming Seth's demise is part of the hospital trip, that means that Alex's "Departure" would've happened very soon after Tim gets out of the hospital and Alex finishes his Operation.
What am I getting at here? Alex left town because of TTA. Alex gave Jay the tapes to hide them from TTA. Jay's ENTIRE journey started on the heels of Alex hiding from victims he failed to kill!
He's afraid of them because they know something. And what does TTA know about? (come on class!)
THE ARK
The annex must have the ark. After Team Maskie went on the offensive Alex ran away with it and, sometime during S2, hid it in the remote corners of Rosswood. (and probably took off with it again, considering he's MIA right now.)

Thank you entry 57 for giving me crazy new ideas. (and unspeakable horror.) Very Happy

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Speaking of which, can we just call the whole hospital stint "Operation Kralie"?


Did you guys seriously just ignore this, to continue arguing about the quality of the entry? Okay, a lot people think Entry #57 is filler. Big deal, let's move on.

Anyway, great theory ToTheArcanine. I posted a similar one a couple weeks back that also related the burned-out hospital to the tunnel, in that they're both super-important places that probably have something to do with the ark. My theory's a little outdated now, so I'm just gonna go with yours. But in my theory, I suggested that Alex kept the 56-42 tape not to hide the evidence, but because he knows the annex contains something important and he used the footage as a clue/reference. So I guess this contributes to the idea that Alex was looking for something there. Since Tim has a history with the Annex, he probably knows what's there, and he went back there to protect whatever it was from Alex.

Also:
- Jay sleepwalks/teleports in Season 1 (Entry 24) to Brian's house (which contains a teleport to what probably is hospital basement, as confirmed in Entry 23)
- Does Jay also sleepwalk/teleport in Season 2 to the tunnel? Again, Entry #29, guys.

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phoenix117
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Created an account just to comment on how awesome Tim's acting was at the end. The way he was trying to calm down, then started coughing more and more violently and began realising that The Operator was coming for him... epic stuff.

I agree that it would have been cool if this entry was uploaded before #56, but that's only a minor thing and doesn't take away from the fact that this was one of the most atmospheric entries yet. Great stuff.

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Jamocha101
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device wrote:

Don't you think it's likely Alex returned because he had forgotten that Tim's camera had possibly incriminating evidence on it? And when he went to look, behold! It (and Tim) had flown the coop.


I change my mind. This is my favorite theory so far.

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onetruepurple
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Dudes...

What if #20 takes place after this, not before?

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ReynardtaFox
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Man, that moment with Tim trying not to cough was gut-wrenching. One of the most tense scenes in recent MH history.

re:tothearcanine's post.
I always thought of the ARK as a place and not a thing. But your theory makes so much sense. Perhaps it is something that TO is tied to, creating sort of a base of operations so to speak. It totally explains why he would move from the original building to Rosswood Park. It also explains why totheark seems to think that it is necessary to find Alex in order to find the ark, but at the same time simply finding Alex does not = finding the ARK.

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Slendrdog
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ToTheArcanine wrote:

...Something interesting I noticed... Assuming Seth's demise is part of the hospital trip, that means that Alex's "Departure" would've happened very soon after Tim gets out of the hospital and Alex finishes his Operation.
What am I getting at here? Alex left town because of TTA. Alex gave Jay the tapes to hide them from TTA. Jay's ENTIRE journey started on the heels of Alex hiding from victims he failed to kill!


I've really been leaning toward this theory for a while, along with a few other pieces of it:

1. Alex was filming himself out of paranoia, yes, but not in fear of the operator, rather, because that's the best way for Oppy to keep an eye out for his favorite proxy and any troublesome pesky masked avengers might be giving him. (Look at the entry where Masky/Hoody jump him in the woods: why else would he bring a camera to a rock-fight?)

2. I think, and this is a bit more of a stretch so I understand if you lot disagree, but I think this all happened while Alex was still mostly getting started. I think after the 3-5 sacrifices the Operator loosened his grip on Alex and Alex went back to normal (entry 54, entry 5, etc). I think this also explains why Tim and J alternated showing signs of slendysickness: they had already been sacrificed and mind-wiped, and maybe that's actually how slendy sickness starts. Alex grew more paranoid and pissed off at and suspicious of former close friends as the shooting continued and masky/hoody/skully/whoever else started coming after him.

3. Alex has to make an Operator sacrifice every few years, which would explain the presence in enntry 37 and after all the MH events when he was with Amy.

4. If Alex was doing this shite (working hand in hand with our slender friend to off his future archenemies) then he KNEW quite a bit about the operator. So why would he think burning the tapes and moving out of state would help him get away from an eldritch abomination? He didn't. He cut ties with J, Tim, Brian, Sarah, and Seth because otherwise they would come after him.

5. Again, maybe a bit of a stretch but it's been theorized before that any masked avengers and/or TTA don't remember their shenanigans after the mask comes off, so that's why Alex made sure to keep J (and presumably the rest of them) in the dark all the time after moving and not contact them-if, for example, Tim knows where Alex is, even though Tim might not be interested in hurting him (probably because he doesn't remember enough to want to), Masky also knows where Alex is and will come after him.

6. The entry with Alex yelling at Seth for turning the camera off: Alex was worried he and Tim (and Sarah?) were about to go all masky on his assky and they turned the camera off to "hide" from the operator?

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TheFuss
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Sorry to jump into a conversation without replying to anyone, but I just want to give my impressions of what's happening in this entry (which was fantastic):

MOST IMPORTANT POINT:
- Tim is almost definitely suffering from concussion, has an open head wound and is several hours' driving from home.
He had 3 options - go to sleep outside (pretty good way of ensuring you'll die in your sleep or wake up with an infected wound), go back into the hospital (NOPE) or try and patch himself up in the annex (slightly less NOPE and there might be some supplies he could use).
There may still be an ark/annex connection, but I think the reason he went in there is because he was confused and scared and it was his only realistic option seeing as Alex probably drove them both there.

Assumptions:
- Alex attacks people, leaves them for the Operator to do whatever, then goes back to kill them/tie them up so they can't escape. Obviously several hours have passed between these two entries because it's night time, so it seems like Alex had either gone back to find Tim, noticed he'd gone missing and decided to search the annex, OR he was prowling around while he waited for the Operator to finish getting weird with Tim, not realising he'd already woken up. Maybe using the time to scout the annex as a place to bring Brian.
- The lights at the end of the corridor at around 1:30 are Alex's flashlight and something it's reflecting off (a wall or window). Tim sees this and starts running towards it. It could be that Tim doesn't realise Alex knocked him out yet (he was attacked from behind and is likely still confused from his head wound). He only realises for certain it was Alex when he sees him looking all creepy holding a pipe.

So that's my take on it. Does anyone see the Operator from 1:13 to 1:19? I can see him standing in the dark, visible up to about his waist (so no white bits), with a reaaally long arm dangling down to the left. If it's him, Tim walks past a few feet away from him, reminds of that entry where he's inside Alex's house and he doesn't notice. To help you out, he's to the right of center on screen at 1:15, but I can only pick him out when the camera's moving so a screenshot is impossible.

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Still thinking about the MH timeline thing for those of you that remember that btw - life got really hectic for me recently and it fell wayyy down my list of priorities. Hoping to get it done before season 3 wraps up!


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device wrote:
Don't you think it's likely Alex returned because he had forgotten that Tim's camera had possibly incriminating evidence on it? And when he went to look, behold! It (and Tim) had flown the coop.


Agreed on this one, which is a razor-ed down version of what I posted before, if we cut out the supernatural mumbo-jumbo. Also, for those people who are commenting on how quickly Tim went to the annex or how quickly Alex got there after Tim woke up - note that Jay puts cuts in the action. It's more likely that we're looking at are events that happened over a longer period of time. Tim might have also turned off the camera at some point while he was outside.

As for "why does Tim go into the annex?", the answer is pretty simple: exposure. People die from being outside without proper heating, and can do so in temperatures as high as 50°F. The annex might not be much better, but its probably better than being completely in the woods. Tim was looking for shelter, and he sure as hell wasn't going back to the hospital. The fact that Alex showed up there was a wrench in that plan, but I'm guessing Tim thought he could just hide long enough for Alex to lose interest. It might not make a lot of sense, but when you've got a concussion, are confused, frightened, and are in the pitch dark - sometimes perfect logic isn't available.
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