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Jamocha101
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 		I know we're all waiting for Jay to tell Tim he's been a psychopath for the past three years, but I don't think we'll be seeing it yet. I think Jay is still going to try and egg on the whole "trying to finish the movie" thing and continue being casual, but still think the Confrontation'll be coming up soon. That is, if Timnesia is genuine. In any other case, we'll be seeing something totally different.

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Jamocha101 wrote:
I know we're all waiting for Jay to tell Tim he's been a psychopath for the past three years, but I don't think we'll be seeing it yet. I think Jay is still going to try and egg on the whole "trying to finish the movie" thing and continue being casual, but still think the Confrontation'll be coming up soon. That is, if Timnesia is genuine. In any other case, we'll be seeing something totally different.


I agree. I don't think Jay's going to get the chance to tell him on his own. I think during one of their explorations they're going to run into either Alex or Hoody who will jog his memory. Maybe after that Jay's going to have to clear up a few things.

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McGregor wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
I know we're all waiting for Jay to tell Tim he's been a psychopath for the past three years, but I don't think we'll be seeing it yet.


I agree. I don't think Jay's going to get the chance to tell him on his own. I think during one of their explorations they're going to run into either Alex or Hoody who will jog his memory. Maybe after that Jay's going to have to clear up a few things.


I'm anticipating epic levels of awkwardness during that conversation.

Jay: I was filming a documentary! About, uh...supernatural mind control!

Which is actually kind of true lol.

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 		Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.

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Ol'Slendy wrote:
Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.


So you want him losing memories and having operator type-sickness to be nothing more than a red herring and have the real reason he's messed up is because he got donked in the head

He literally got up like 30 seconds later

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pravado wrote:
Ol'Slendy wrote:
Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.


So you want him losing memories and having operator type-sickness to be nothing more than a red herring and have the real reason he's messed up is because he got donked in the head

He literally got up like 30 seconds later


That's true, but it would be, to me, a good "realistic" explanation for Tim's split personality, which is obviously Slendercaused. I mean, I like the idea that it was because of something more tangible and realistic than the obvious Operator explanation, but I get your point, pravado.
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pravado wrote:

He literally got up like 30 seconds later


Or he at least woke up thirty seconds later.
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 		Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.



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MistrPibb wrote:
Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.



people pointed this out on page 3 or 4 of entry 57. however alex sent jay that footage, so it's highly unlikely that it was from the same day because tim obviously has this footage

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 		Forgot to say, I've read a lot of people speculating that Alex had taken Seth later that night, and that this is what germinated the evens that occured in Entry #22, but if you watch the aforesaid entry, Alex makes it sound like in the chronology, Seth was the last to go. This has already been mentioned once or twice, but it received little elaboration and people are continuing to assume that Brian was the final victim despite the contradictory evidence. In Entry #55, Alex did say that he and Seth were supposed to be going down there later that night, so it only makes sense that Entry #22 would take place directly after Entry 56 or possible durring 57, but then Alex's rambling kind of screws it.

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Jamocha101 wrote:
Forgot to say, I've read a lot of people speculating that Alex had taken Seth later that night, and that this is what germinated the evens that occured in Entry #22, but if you watch the aforesaid entry, Alex makes it sound like in the chronology, Seth was the last to go. This has already been mentioned once or twice, but it received little elaboration and people are continuing to assume that Brian was the final victim despite the contradictory evidence. In Entry #55, Alex did say that he and Seth were supposed to be going down there later that night, so it only makes sense that Entry #22 would take place directly after Entry 56 or possible durring 57, but then Alex's rambling kind of screws it.

Thoughts?

Alex is insane? Or he ordered the names rong/said names of others that were gonna b gone soon.
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Jamocha101 wrote:
Forgot to say, I've read a lot of people speculating that Alex had taken Seth later that night, and that this is what germinated the evens that occured in Entry #22, but if you watch the aforesaid entry, Alex makes it sound like in the chronology, Seth was the last to go. This has already been mentioned once or twice, but it received little elaboration and people are continuing to assume that Brian was the final victim despite the contradictory evidence. In Entry #55, Alex did say that he and Seth were supposed to be going down there later that night, so it only makes sense that Entry #22 would take place directly after Entry 56 or possible durring 57, but then Alex's rambling kind of screws it.

Thoughts?


It's really tough to say. We know Alex was lying for a lot of this stretch (at least to Tim and Brian), so maybe Alex made this fake confession tape to finalize his "blamelessness" for season 1.

On the other hand, Alex's attack on Jay and Jessica at the end of Season 2 (where he was mad that Jay "brought her into this") seemed to be so he could clean up the loose ends. He may have been hoping that the process would allow him to forget about the Operator. I am wondering if Alex was previously successful in clearing up those loose ends during MH, and that this confession tape was his reaction to closing the circle - where he doesn't remember what he had been up to, and just wants to get back to normal.

The tape for entry 22 is somewhat ambiguous too. He doesn't know where Seth or his camera is, and just woke up with his tape in his own camera. But that doesn't mean Alex filmed it that same night. He may have taken care of Seth when he told Tim and Brian, finished hiding the right tapes from himself, took care of Jay and Sarah, and then armed himself with his camera loaded with the tape of Seth getting taken.

When Jay got memory wiped by the Operator, he didn't change rooms or time frames (in the end). When Alex got memory wiped (as he is claiming in entry 22), it's very possible that he was memory wiped in that very house/room - if he had been wiped with Seth, he would have still been in the burned down annex when he turned the camera back on.

After waking from memory wiping, Jay remembered all the easily accessible details about his MH investigation (everything on YouTube), but none of the "hidden" stuff. It's possible that the "evidence tapes" that surfaced during Season 2 were tapes that Alex hid away from the Jay-accessible collection so that his MH experiences wouldn't be reframed in a way that would inspire the Operator to come back to bother Alex. The "messed up footage" that Amy found on the camera may have been one of these triggering tapes that would target Alex for further memory wiping - which would explain why there is a shot that looks a lot like Alex exploring the burned down annex from this entry.

Just a disclaimer: This is all just me weaving theory off itself, so I doubt that any of it is true. But I did have fun considering the possibility.

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 		When Tim starts to cough at the end of #56, it is still daytime. When he leaves the hospital, it is night. In this interval, Alex may have returned with Seth, happening #22, Alex leaves the basement and goes in search of Tim (or the camera), not find it, and goes to the annex. At this time we see him pass behind Tim. Tim looks up at the railroad tracks, gets up and goes also to annex, although he used another entrance.
This would coincide with Alex's comment about coming back later with Seth, and the subsequent comments to Brian about having discovered the place the day before with Seth.
Contrary seems not wear the same clothes in both entries, unless he has left his jacket in the car or something. Neither matches the order that Alex seems to establish the end of #22, although we know that here is lying.

On the other hand #22 could have happened after #51. Perhaps Seth did not appear that evening, or if he did, Alex drove him to annex and nothing special happened. Then, at night returned alone, in search of Tim or camera. Take a pipe that we see in #56, two steps from where the camera fell, near the column (the one that says "AR.... WATCHIN(G)" (ark is watching? ...) yeah , I insist) and continues to seek Tim. #22 happen then, sometime after #57. This would not be a problem with the clothes or the claims of Alex.

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 		Ok so I rewatched all of season 2 again today, and Jay had absolutely no reason to break into Alex's house in entry 46. Rewatch it realizing that Jay hadn't seen any of the footage from entries 42-45 at that point

Jay claims that he "had a hunch" when Alex confronts him on it. However the last time Jay and Alex had an interaction before that, was entry 41 going into entry 43's first half. Alex asks Jay for help but Jay says not today, and then Alex doesn't want Jay to know where he lives, but he isn't being a dick to Jay.

Jay literally had no reason to break into Alex's house at that point



Also to anyone who says he's not a derp, when he took Alex's keys in 47 why the hell did he not demand information instead of Jessica's phone number (i know they needed a reason to get jay and jessica together but jay totally should have just done that)

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 		A couple of months had passed between Entry #44 and #45, with Jay making no physical contact with Alex that we know of. I thought it was pretty clear that by Entry #46, Jay was sick of waiting on Alex and was desperate for answers (and likely suspicious of him, since Alex admitted to Jay that he didn't want him to know where he lived in Entry #43. Plus Alex probably never called Jay since then.).

When Jay told Alex that "he had a hunch", it is clear that he's just being a derp and couldn't come up with a better excuse.

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