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pravado
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 		You are missing my point.

Tim coughing shows that he is not unconcious. If you read the link I just posted you would see that.

He coughs a few seconds after Alex walks off camera. He was concious seconds after Alex beat him. Whether he fell back unconcious or not is another story, but they made it a point to have Tim's cough audible. The cough was most likely signifying that the operator had got to him at that point (since we know his emission causes coughing)

And day changing to night can happen instantaneously in this series, don't forget about entry 23 now

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pravado wrote:
and that was definitely the first time Jay saw Alex in 3 years in 35. He walks around the building flipping out that he's not finding anything. If he met up with Alex prior he wouldn't be doing that.


I realize this is a small point, but I continue to disagree. Jay's irritation ("What are you wanting me to see?") is entirely consistent with having been brought back to the abandoned house by Alex. If that was really the first time he had seen Alex since shooting Marble Hornets -- particularly bearing in mind that Jay went to the abandoned house specifically to find Alex in the wake of the mysterious tape -- then I'd expect at least some measure -- any measure -- of reaction from Jay, rather than immediate compliance. The alternative, at the very least, involves Alex somehow following Jay in his own car while remaining unseen, and Jay somehow failing to hear Alex's car pull up outside. They arrived together, and left together.
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pravado
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 		then why would alex bring up "so you got the tape i sent you" a few entries later, and start yelling at him for his "easy to find habits" in the next entry? those are things alex and jay would have talked about when they met up

plus jay would have it recorded on tape somewhere and we know he doesn't so, yeah. stick to your guns all you want but it's implausible

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pravado wrote:
You are missing my point.

Tim coughing shows that he is not unconcious. If you read the link I just posted you would see that.

He coughs a few seconds after Alex walks off camera. He was concious seconds after Alex beat him. Whether he fell back unconcious or not is another story, but they made it a point to have Tim's cough audible. The cough was most likely signifying that the operator had got to him at that point (since we know his emission causes coughing)

And day changing to night can happen instantaneously in this series, don't forget about entry 23 now


I didn't see the change of day happening until the camera goes black, with some lite audio distortions. When the picture comes back, Jay is magically in the closet. He even notes memory loss after the event. Every time the camera goes black like that, and Jay is teleported elsewhere, it is an indication that time has passed. Same thing in the time between Entry 56 and 57. It was most likely no more than about 30 minutes to an hour, because they were close to dark thirty anyway. But my point still stands. He didn't get up and get that camera and change the tape, until a good while after he got his ass kicked by a cowardly prick with a piece of re-bar.

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Illuminant wrote:
I realize this is a small point, but I continue to disagree. Jay's irritation ("What are you wanting me to see?") is entirely consistent with having been brought back to the abandoned house by Alex. If that was really the first time he had seen Alex since shooting Marble Hornets -- particularly bearing in mind that Jay went to the abandoned house specifically to find Alex in the wake of the mysterious tape -- then I'd expect at least some measure -- any measure -- of reaction from Jay, rather than immediate compliance. The alternative, at the very least, involves Alex somehow following Jay in his own car while remaining unseen, and Jay somehow failing to hear Alex's car pull up outside. They arrived together, and left together.


The beginning of Entry #36: "After looking through the tape of Entry #35, I didn't know what happened after finding Alex at the abandoned house."

I can see why Jay immediately complying with Alex would throw doubt onto that, but I see it as a result of Jay's lifestyle. He's been stalked, kidnapped, attacked, teleported, and mindwiped before -- if someone he trusts (or at least has been doing this for longer than he has) signals him to be quiet in the abandoned house in the middle of nowhere, then by god he's going to be quiet.

Of course, Alex immediately disproves that trust thing like a minute later because of his concrete murder fetish, which is why instead of exchanging pleasantries and hellos in Entry #36, Jay immediately launches into an angry "What the hell were you thinking?" when they finally get out of the car.

The thing about Jay is that he tends to act pretty submissive towards Alex during season 2. Sure, it's mostly because he has to due to Alex's radio silence, and he eventually gets fed up and starts lashing out, but for a very long time he goes along with a lot of the bullshit Alex throws at him. I would have flipped after the first week or two, but Alex manages to string him along for what, at least a month? Crazy.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:
You are missing my point.

Tim coughing shows that he is not unconcious. If you read the link I just posted you would see that.

He coughs a few seconds after Alex walks off camera. He was concious seconds after Alex beat him. Whether he fell back unconcious or not is another story, but they made it a point to have Tim's cough audible. The cough was most likely signifying that the operator had got to him at that point (since we know his emission causes coughing)

And day changing to night can happen instantaneously in this series, don't forget about entry 23 now


I didn't see the change of day happening until the camera goes black, with some lite audio distortions. When the picture comes back, Jay is magically in the closet. He even notes memory loss after the event. Every time the camera goes black like that, and Jay is teleported elsewhere, it is an indication that time has passed. Same thing in the time between Entry 56 and 57. It was most likely no more than about 30 minutes to an hour, because they were close to dark thirty anyway. But my point still stands. He didn't get up and get that camera and change the tape, until a good while after he got his ass kicked by a cowardly prick with a piece of re-bar.



no, time of day literally changes instantaneously. before he goes through the doors upstairs he looks down the stairs and you can see daylight, then after he goes through he looks down the stairs and it's pitch black.


also i'm pretty sure entry 40 was supposed to be the sacrifice of jay, but jay messed it up by going in himself, which is why alex was mad, so alex goes and sacrifices himself to please the operator or w/e, and another sacrifice isn't needed for a while (which is why he doesn't contact jay again for a while possibly)

also jay should have had no problem with alex fucking up tim in 35, tim had tackled jay, stole his stuff, and broke into his house. weird.

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pravado wrote:

no, time of day literally changes instantaneously. before he goes through the doors upstairs he looks down the stairs and you can see daylight, then after he goes through he looks down the stairs and it's pitch black.


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Maybe it's just your monitor then. It's not pitch black on mine until the picture itself goes black and you can hear the trademark distortion that lets us know the operator is coming near.

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pravado wrote:
also jay should have had no problem with alex fucking up tim in 35, tim had tackled jay, stole his stuff, and broke into his house. weird.


Wow, no. Spoiler alert: most rational people's responses to a situation like that is not to break someone's leg with a block of cement.

Jay has gone through a hell of a lot by that point, but there are lines that people still would not be willing to cross. Extreme violence is one of them. Tying up Tim and subduing him was enough for Jay; he didn't (and probably doesn't, even now) want to go so far as to physically maim someone to get answers -- and remember this was the first time he'd seen Alex in years.

Jay's confused, disoriented, and has absolutely no idea what he's doing in that house or why anyone's actually there, and then suddenly knives and limb crushing everywhere. I wouldn't be happy, either.

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TheKraken wrote:
pravado wrote:
also jay should have had no problem with alex fucking up tim in 35, tim had tackled jay, stole his stuff, and broke into his house. weird.


Wow, no. Spoiler alert: most rational people's responses to a situation like that is not to break someone's leg with a block of cement.

Jay has gone through a hell of a lot by that point, but there are lines that people still would not be willing to cross. Extreme violence is one of them. Tying up Tim and subduing him was enough for Jay; he didn't (and probably doesn't, even now) want to go so far as to physically maim someone to get answers -- and remember this was the first time he'd seen Alex in years.

Jay's confused, disoriented, and has absolutely no idea what he's doing in that house or why anyone's actually there, and then suddenly knives and limb crushing everywhere. I wouldn't be happy, either.


Exactly, this is the juxtaposition between Jay and Alex. Jay is basically Lawful Good, so he doesn't wanna hurt anyone, he just wants answers, but not answers at ANY COST.

Alex, however, is (as of 35) Chaotic Good, or so it seems, though now he's obviously Chaotic Neutral AT BEST.

Put less nerdy, Jay is still the hero here. He doesn't wanna hurt people, he just wants answers.
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TheKraken wrote:
The beginning of Entry #36: "After looking through the tape of Entry #35, I didn't know what happened after finding Alex at the abandoned house."


Gah. Good catch, thank you! Smile
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twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:

no, time of day literally changes instantaneously. before he goes through the doors upstairs he looks down the stairs and you can see daylight, then after he goes through he looks down the stairs and it's pitch black.


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Maybe it's just your monitor then. It's not pitch black on mine until the picture itself goes black and you can hear the trademark distortion that lets us know the operator is coming near.


no. 1:18/2:45 he looks downstairs and its light

3:15 it's dark

kthx

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pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:

no, time of day literally changes instantaneously. before he goes through the doors upstairs he looks down the stairs and you can see daylight, then after he goes through he looks down the stairs and it's pitch black.


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Maybe it's just your monitor then. It's not pitch black on mine until the picture itself goes black and you can hear the trademark distortion that lets us know the operator is coming near.


no. 1:18/2:45 he looks downstairs and its light

3:15 it's dark

kthx



Went back and checked. Door to stairway is open at 1:18 but NOT open at 3:15. That's why it appears darker. There's also video distortion prior to him looking down the stairs. Not to mention, shortly after is when the picture goes black and the audio distortion starts. The time skip can still be attributed to occurring when the picture goes black.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:

no, time of day literally changes instantaneously. before he goes through the doors upstairs he looks down the stairs and you can see daylight, then after he goes through he looks down the stairs and it's pitch black.


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Maybe it's just your monitor then. It's not pitch black on mine until the picture itself goes black and you can hear the trademark distortion that lets us know the operator is coming near.


no. 1:18/2:45 he looks downstairs and its light

3:15 it's dark

kthx



Went back and checked. Door to stairway is open at 1:18 but NOT open at 3:15. That's why it appears darker. There's also video distortion prior to him looking down the stairs. Not to mention, shortly after is when the picture goes black and the audio distortion starts. The time skip can still be attributed to occurring when the picture goes black.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CvudXaiCeKk/T1aV7kJSB2I/AAAAAAAADQE/M24nMEczXBE/s400/jackie-chan-wtf.png

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 		I love it when one person has a completely different theory on here, backs it up with the what they think is right, and it still makes everyone else think, "the fuck?"

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pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Went back and checked. Door to stairway is open at 1:18 but NOT open at 3:15. That's why it appears darker. There's also video distortion prior to him looking down the stairs. Not to mention, shortly after is when the picture goes black and the audio distortion starts. The time skip can still be attributed to occurring when the picture goes black.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CvudXaiCeKk/T1aV7kJSB2I/AAAAAAAADQE/M24nMEczXBE/s400/jackie-chan-wtf.png


Sorry Jackie, but that's basically what I see too. And besides, what's the theory here? That the Operator can turn off the sun with his mind, or that Marble Hornets take place on another planet where light works differently? I mean, I understand we're dealing with the supernatural here, but that doesn't mean you can just throw in any magical element unless it's been established to be a part of the story. Time lapses have been established, the sun having an off switch hasn't.

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