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Yuki
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TheFuss wrote:
I like the way Jay uses the camera in this entry, sweeping it around himself and using it to peek round corners. It lets us know that he's worked out, or at least suspects like we do, that Slendy is only visible on camera. I think he's actually walking around looking at the screen, and he's very careful to keep Tim in shot the whole time they're in there - when he's checking the bathroom he gets nervous and runs back really quick because he's left Tim on his own for too long.

I was going to post about the yellow cap next to the cigarette butt (when Jay is at the tunnel) being a spray paint cap, but it looks more like a pen lid on second viewing. Any significant instances of yellow ink round the hospital? Bit of a stretch I know, but it looked like it hadn't been there long - if it had, it would have blown down that hole by now. It was left there recently I think. I don't know how common brown-filter cigarettes are in the States (here in the UK they're all green filter) so I don't know how important that is, but I do think both those things are there for a reason.


I really don't think they're there for a reason. It IS an abandoned building; people are probably mucking about there on occasion.

As for The Operator being only visible on camera, that sounds iffy to me; didn't Jay see him when he appeared in Alex's apartment?

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 		entry 45 also debunks that theory about him only appearing on the camera

some people think he can only appear if a camera is pointed on him, i think they're pulling straws at that point because it's the only way to have him in the series :p

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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:
TheKraken wrote:
There's just a rather large difference between Alex taking out Brian and Tim and Alex taking out Bruce and his 1st attempt on Jay.

i agree Smile


I don't understand what you're getting at here.

I'm talking about the time Alex pulled a gun on Jay; that's why it's lumped in with Bruce's death and not Brian and Tim's. If you go with the idea that Alex tried to murder Jay earlier (either during creepy story funtimes in the woods or that entry where Jay encountered the Operator), there's no way Alex's freak out in #52 could be considered the first attempt.

Jamocha101 wrote:
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I don't know how Alex could ever mistake Bruce for Jay (I'm guessing this might be where Operator influence comes in, if there is any?), but he knows someone has been following him around, and he knows he's got to put a stop to this, one way or another.


I'm going to use some syllogism logic here:

Slendy makes people crazy.
Alex "knows" Slendy.
Therefore, Alex is crazy.

Which leads to:

Crazy people may hallucinate.
Alex is crazy.
Therefore, Alex may hallucinate.


Well. Yes. I figured that. That's why I included that bit in the parentheses about that might be where the Operator's hold on him came into play.

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TheKraken wrote:

Well. Yes. I figured that. That's why I included that bit in the parentheses about that might be where the Operator's hold on him came into play.


In that case, I would say Operator influence had definitely taken place, it just wasn't completely like he was being puppet'd the same way he was when he took out Tim and Brian. I don't mean to say he was being completely controlled in those latter attempts, given the current discussion, but I would imagine that he had considerably less free will. Being that he was sort of "pressured" into it, like people are saying. Especailly when there's a big difference between Brian/Tim and Jay/Bruce in his emotion; when he took care of the former two, he kind of lacked it.

But to summarize my direct reply, the Operator's main and possibly only influence in Bruce's case was that he had driven Alex nuts enough by then to mistake Bruce for Jay.
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Yuki wrote:
I really don't think they're there for a reason. It IS an abandoned building; people are probably mucking about there on occasion.

As for The Operator being only visible on camera, that sounds iffy to me; didn't Jay see him when he appeared in Alex's apartment?


I guess I'm using a little big of OOG logic seeing as they would definitely have considered what was in front of the camera when it was put down, but you're probably right.

Re: oppy and cameras, I just can't think of any situations where someone reacted to him without him being shown on camera first (apart from #12, but that's another kettle of fish what with them acting like he's just a normal guy). There's also entry #54, where Tim should see him standing in the corner if he's looking but doesn't. I think the only way people can see him is through a camera screen or viewfinder, but I know we don't have enough evidence to decide either way yet.

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TheFuss wrote:
There's also entry #54, where Tim should see him standing in the corner if he's looking but doesn't. I think the only way people can see him is through a camera screen or viewfinder, but I know we don't have enough evidence to decide either way yet.


Tim probably swung the camera around his body to turn around and didn't even focus enough in the room to notice anything was there.

Don't think you need camera to see him. Before Alex started filming himself, I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Slendy was stalking him without the visual aid of a camcorder screen.
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Jamocha101 wrote:
TheFuss wrote:
There's also entry #54, where Tim should see him standing in the corner if he's looking but doesn't. I think the only way people can see him is through a camera screen or viewfinder, but I know we don't have enough evidence to decide either way yet.


Tim probably swung the camera around his body to turn around and didn't even focus enough in the room to notice anything was there.

Don't think you need camera to see him. Before Alex started filming himself, I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Slendy was stalking him without the visual aid of a camcorder screen.


In Entry 2 Alex talks about seeing him in the road and then going back home to get the camera.

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
In Entry 2 Alex talks about seeing him in the road and then going back home to get the camera.



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 		On tim's aversion to the annex building
I think you guys are missing something here. Recall that Tim didn't want to take Alex to the annex previously. So his dislike of that place preceded Alex's attack. Tim has clearly been in contact with a shrink. This was an abandoned mental hospital. I would bet dollars to donuts that Tim was a patient at that hospital before it was abandoned, and that was what his "I've had enough of this place for one lifetime" comment refers to.

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
TheFuss wrote:
There's also entry #54, where Tim should see him standing in the corner if he's looking but doesn't. I think the only way people can see him is through a camera screen or viewfinder, but I know we don't have enough evidence to decide either way yet.


Tim probably swung the camera around his body to turn around and didn't even focus enough in the room to notice anything was there.

Don't think you need camera to see him. Before Alex started filming himself, I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Slendy was stalking him without the visual aid of a camcorder screen.


In Entry 2 Alex talks about seeing him in the road and then going back home to get the camera.


Entry 12.

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 		Re: On tim's aversion to the annex building
DaveK wrote:
I think you guys are missing something here. Recall that Tim didn't want to take Alex to the annex previously. So his dislike of that place preceded Alex's attack. Tim has clearly been in contact with a shrink. This was an abandoned mental hospital. I would bet dollars to donuts that Tim was a patient at that hospital before it was abandoned, and that was what his "I've had enough of this place for one lifetime" comment refers to.


I don't know about Tim being a patient at the hospital before it burnt down; it's definitely possible, though. But I am almost certain that Tim travelled into the annex late at night for other reasons than just to "hide" or because he saw Alex go inside, which I don't even think is the case.
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 		I just think that they've made a point of showing that Tim is being treated by a shrink and has some ongoing mental health issue, and he had a wariness of going to the annex before Alex attacked him. The fact that this annex was formerly a mental hospital seems like it is probably related.

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ToTheAlex wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
TheFuss wrote:
There's also entry #54, where Tim should see him standing in the corner if he's looking but doesn't. I think the only way people can see him is through a camera screen or viewfinder, but I know we don't have enough evidence to decide either way yet.


Tim probably swung the camera around his body to turn around and didn't even focus enough in the room to notice anything was there.

Don't think you need camera to see him. Before Alex started filming himself, I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Slendy was stalking him without the visual aid of a camcorder screen.


In Entry 2 Alex talks about seeing him in the road and then going back home to get the camera.


uhhh no that was entry 2 he was right

Entry 12.


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 		I was wondering what the connection was between Tim and Jay nearing the room that Tim had gotten Operate'd on in 56, and then Tim suddenly exhibiting Slendy symptoms. Not just coughing, but his gestures indicated he had gotten a headache, too. Wondering if there are, like...slendy particles in the air or something.
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ToTheAlex wrote:
Entry 12.


Yeah, Entry 12 too, but it was mentioned earlier and someone said he was "acting like a regular person" (or something along those lines). I suppose it's possible there was a weirdness censor going on but either way he still appeared off camera.

I wonder, just when did Alex realize the creepy tall guy didn't have a face?

Jamocha101 wrote:
I was wondering what the connection was between Tim and Jay nearing the room that Tim had gotten Operate'd on in 56, and then Tim suddenly exhibiting Slendy symptoms.


I wonder if it was his subconscious reminding him of it. Or possibly it's "bad energy".

Or possibly the Slenderator was following them. *dun dun dun*

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