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epiphany
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It appears all five parts of the key have been received (just going by what has been posted here & over on FB). Positions are as one is looking at the picture side of the puzzle...obviously this is flipped when turning the puzzle over).
Singerofthelost = Cheshire Cat (top left)
Strudel = birds/mushrooms/etc (top right)
RoryF = White Rabbit (bottom left)
Que Beast = Mad Hatter (bottom right)
SagaciousVainglory has presumably received the Alice part of the puzzle (centre).
We're all looking forward to seeing images of the back of the puzzles!


Just some observations:

The question marks on the back of the puzzle so far aren't the same...some are only partially filled in whilst some are completely filled in. Significance?
So far:
top left = only dot of question mark filled in
top right = only dot of question mark filled in
bottom left = *don't know yet*
bottom right = fully filled in

The writing uses a "long s" for s...ie an f with two lines means "f" & one with one line means "s". It is decoded using Rot-25 & appears to be various lines out of Auguries of Innocence by William Blake. Specifically:
He who doubts from what he sees... (top left)
Thr caterpillar on the leaf (top right...I think"r" might be a spelling mistake? as if this was a long s rather than f it would be "The")
Hold Infinit in the palm (bottom left..another spelling mistake here?)
The bat that flits at close of eve (bottom right)

We haven't seen the centre code yet but going by the bits we can see on the other puzzles, it appears it's a grid of some sort? Am looking forward to seeing it.

The dates on the coins are all different so far (maybe the dates are significant...or maybe a method of ordering the clues?). The "tails" part of the coin (the feathers) is the badge of the Prince of Wales: a plume of ostrich feathers within a coronet, above the German motto ICH DIEN ("I serve").
So far we have:
Singer: 1986
Strudel: *don't know yet*
RoryF: *don't know yet*
Que Beast: 1971
Sagacious: 2001

It'd be interesting to know if the fingers are all off one glove and, if so, which fingers they are? Again...possibly significant on their own or as a method of ordering the clues?

The blue dots on the dice appear to have been filled in (as opposed to the red ones). There were blue smudges on Singer's die.

The blank piece of paper may have some sort of "invisible writing" on it. PLEASE don't do anything that might potentially destroy it!!!! At least...not until someone has worked out what it might be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_ink

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:40 pm
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Que Beast
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epiphany wrote:
It appears all five parts of the key have been received (just going by what has been posted here & over on FB). Singerofthelost received the Cheshire Cat (top left), Strudel received the birds/mushrooms/etc (top right), RoryF received the White Rabbit (bottom left), Que Beast received the Mad Hatter (bottom right) and SagaciousVainglory has presumably received the Alice part of the puzzle (centre). We're all looking forward to seeing images of the back of the puzzles!


Just some observations:

The question marks on the back of the puzzle so far aren't the same...some are only partially filled in whilst some are completely filled in.

The writing uses a "long s" for s...ie an f with two lines means "f" & one with one line means "s". It is decoded using Rot-25 & appears to be various lines out of Auguries of Innocence by William Blake. Specifically:
He who doubts from what he sees... (top left)
Thr caterpillar on the leaf (top right...I think"r" might be a spelling mistake? as if this was a long s rather than f it would be "The")
Hold Infinit in the palm (bottom left..another spelling mistake here?)
The bat that flits at close of eve (bottom right)

We haven't seen the centre code yet but going by the bits we can see on the other puzzles, it appears it's a grid of some sort? Am looking forward to seeing it.

The dates on the coins are all different so far. The front of the coin (the feathers) is the badge of the Prince of Wales: a plume of ostrich feathers within a coronet, above the German motto ICH DIEN ("I serve").

It'd be interesting to know if the fingers are all off one glove and, if so, which fingers they are?

The blue dots on the dice appear to have been filled in (as opposed to the red ones). There were blue smudges on Singer's die.

The blank piece of paper may have some sort of "invisible writing" on it. PLEASE don't do anything that might potentially destroy it!!!! At least...not until someone has worked out what it might be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_ink


sorry @..@ i thik my nitrile fingers an index. also....is the glove a hint we need a chemical for the paper..? fire and lemon hadnt worked...

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epiphany
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Que Beast wrote:

sorry @..@


Oh! It's ok Smile It might still be salvageable...depends what is on it. Or we may be able to work out what it was...depends what the other pieces of paper have on them (if anything).

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epiphany wrote:
Que Beast wrote:

sorry @..@


Oh! It's ok Smile It might still be salvageable...depends what is on it. Or we may be able to work out what it was...depends what the other pieces of paper have on them (if anything).


augh, i can't sit still! my curiosityyyy!

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My "blank" paper, an update.

I've tried ironing it, as a method of applying heat to bring any potential ink out. THe paper browned and it gained a few very miniscule brown dots, but no letters to speak of.

I held it under a black light, and nothing appeared as far as I could tell.

It could be I need to apply even more heat. A friend recommended using an iodine solution--one part iodine to ten parts water. I'm just not sure about applying anything moist to the paper.

So that's where that stands.

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Que Beast
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singerofthelost wrote:
My "blank" paper, an update.

I've tried ironing it, as a method of applying heat to bring any potential ink out. THe paper browned and it gained a few very miniscule brown dots, but no letters to speak of.

I held it under a black light, and nothing appeared as far as I could tell.

It could be I need to apply even more heat. A friend recommended using an iodine solution--one part iodine to ten parts water. I'm just not sure about applying anything moist to the paper.

So that's where that stands.


i'll ry iodine on mine, since mine has already been lemon'd...

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epiphany
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Que Beast wrote:


i'll ry iodine on mine, since mine has already been lemon'd...


Problem with that is iodine acts as a developer for lemon. So if you've already poured lemon juice on it, the iodine will develop all the areas where the lemon juice was.

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Hey everyone. So, I can't get to a scanner right now, but i think I can type out what the code on the back of my puzzle section says; if "f" with two lines is an "f" and one is "s," then my section is: "fufs3 xpmg't boe mjpo't ipxm"

My question mark is all white with the space around it filled in black and followed by two (maybe three?) black dots; I'm missing the very end bit of the square following the ? so there could be a third period there.

No luck with my blank paper yet.

I think my glove piece is a thumb.

So far everyone's dice all have the same two numbers highlighted red.

Do we know anything else about this stuff?

Also, to clarify, yes, I have Alice. I'll scan when I get home in the morning.

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epiphany wrote:
Que Beast wrote:


i'll ry iodine on mine, since mine has already been lemon'd...


Problem with that is iodine acts as a developer for lemon. So if you've already poured lemon juice on it, the iodine will develop all the areas where the lemon juice was.


Somewhere in the back of my head, a little voice was telling me.... are you sure that'll work? You're forgetting an important factor.

It was that. >..o

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Hey, posting from phone. Your thing says "every wolf's and lion's howl" also Blake

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Sagacious: interesting...your quote translates to "eter3 wolf's and lion's howl"...more spelling mistakes? That first word should be "Every" according to the poem. Did you have a grid on yours? The edges of the others looked like there might have been a grid in the middle.

Singer: according to the wiki link above, exposing to back light, heat & iodine fumes are the three ways of screening for invisible ink without permanently developing the solution. If you've already tried heat & UV light...I guess iodine is the next logical step but I'd be worried about damaging the paper, etc. Maybe a sponge with a very, very light application of solution? I don't know...my brain is shooting off warning bells at the thought of getting it wet...lol.

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Epiphany: Yeah. It's an 8x8 grid. Since I can't scan it right this second, let me transcribe for you. Using the long s symbol. Underscores are empty grid spaces.

ſ u ſ s 3 _ _ _
_ _ x p m g ' t
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ b o e _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ m j p o ' t
_ _ _ i p x m _
_ _ _ _ ? (.) . .

The way the 3 is written, it could be some sort of symbol?

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sagaciousVainglory wrote:
The way the 3 is written, it could be some sort of symbol?

Backtracking(rot) EVERY the 3 becomes a Z. Reckon the pic will clarify. Until then just in case others are working, here are 5 anagrams preceded by the Blake quotes.
Quote:
"hold infinit in the palm
The bat that flits at close of eve
every wolf's and lion's howl
The caterpillar on the leaf
He who doubts from what he sees"

help in mail to find hint
attach all of five to best the set
only all five shows wonder
help one reattach refit all
heed what four best homes show (Yaha, AM mega unhappy with this one but it's wknd with my pup and fresh air calling Smile )

ETA: Re the blank papers. A couple of years ago this same generous PM sent us postcards with hidden messages only visible under a UV (black) light.
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Singerofthelost excellent video, that blank paper when held it up to the light definitely showed some writing on it looked like a 'H' and 'O'. I think Amandel might be right about a UV pen.

The dice looks like very familiar I think it comes from a board game I use to play as a kid, I'll have a search for it.

EDIT: Turns it was after being a kid...

Quote:
The Chinese custom of painting the 4-spot red is said to have originated when an Emperor playing sugoruku (Japanese Backgammon) with his queen was about to lose and desperately needed fours to win the game. He cried out, threw the dice and they came up accordingly. He was so glad that he ordered that fours be painted red from then on. The emperor is said to have been Lo Ling Wong who reigned under the title Chong Tsung (AD 684 - 701) during the Ming dynasty. Whether this story is true is questionable and it has been suggested that the 4-spot is painted red because dice were imported from India where red fours are also traditional. The reason why the 1-spot is large and painted red is not clear. It is said the stark combination of black and white would be unlucky, red being considered very lucky in China. Another possibility is that it counters and balances the die, compensating for the opposite 6-spot indentations.


See: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dice-play/DiceStandard.htm
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Ok. UV light. Sweet madness, since i left my pocket uv's at my old house (long story)... i have an excuse to use my disney pass one last time before it expires! Woo! There's UV's in Space Mtn @..@

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