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Drksrpnt
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 		Can't remember if this has been mentioned or not, but Tim says "Jessica was doing just fine before she met you!"

Everyone said stuff about her mentioning recurring dreams about being stalked, etc., but keep in mind that that is only mentioned in the hotel. That is, chronologically after the encounter with Alex in 52. And Alex said he didn't want her to get involved. So maybe it's true; she would have been just fine if Jay hadn't called her and gotten her involved.

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Drksrpnt wrote:
Can't remember if this has been mentioned or not, but Tim says "Jessica was doing just fine before she met you!"

Everyone said stuff about her mentioning recurring dreams about being stalked, etc., but keep in mind that that is only mentioned in the hotel. That is, chronologically after the encounter with Alex in 52. And Alex said he didn't want her to get involved. So maybe it's true; she would have been just fine if Jay hadn't called her and gotten her involved.


Good point. Everyone takes that quote to mean she was stalked as a child, but there's no proof of that. A dream about being a child could just as easily indicate how vulnerable she was feeling at the time. Even Jay admits he was probably the one who dragged her into it. I think that's part of the reason why he's so adamant in finding out what happened to her.

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 		I don't think that the meeting took place earlier than Jay is letting on. Jay would've tweeted about Tim calling him as soon as it happened.
The way I see it, either
a.)Jay and Tim lost time or
b.)They didn't really pay much thought to how long ago their visit to the abandoned hospital was.
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Tim was angry, so it's plausible that he just said "last week" because the actual date was irrelevant.


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Flame Reaper 734 wrote:

Tim was angry, so it's plausible that he just said "last week" because the actual date was irrelevant.


this X1000, seriously you're all over thinking it. When you were in a serious screaming match with someone did you double check your facts? Make sure everything you said was 100% accurate? No, you exaggerated to prove your point, dates turned into relative guesses. "last week" to an angry person could be anywhere between 3 and like 13 days. The same effect happened when he said "you talked to her a grand total of twice", he was just trying to get the fact across that jay didn't know her very well.

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If nothing else this was a mild OOG continuity error, troy figured "meh, my audience should understand that "a few days ago" and "last week" are relative terms, and mean something different for just about everyone."


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 		Also on the 13th Jay made a tweet saying Tim called him and wanted to meet that night to talk.

So yeah, you're overthinking this. Troy is not JJ abrams, the story is not as in depth as you're making it out to be guys

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Drksrpnt wrote:
Can't remember if this has been mentioned or not, but Tim says "Jessica was doing just fine before she met you!"

Everyone said stuff about her mentioning recurring dreams about being stalked, etc., but keep in mind that that is only mentioned in the hotel. That is, chronologically after the encounter with Alex in 52. And Alex said he didn't want her to get involved. So maybe it's true; she would have been just fine if Jay hadn't called her and gotten her involved.


I don't really think so. Yeah, Jay calling her and tipping her off that Alex lied is what originally got her suspicious, but I really don't think she would've kept buying Alex's lies. I mean, Alex pretty much gave her the vaguest possible explanation: "oh yeah, I got in touch with Amy". He didn't even say where or how or give any details. I'm pretty sure that at some point Jessica would have gotten pretty suspicious that her roommate was missing and hadn't bothered to call even once. I mean, I know that I would be pretty suspicious if my friend disappeared for three months without a single word, and I wouldn't just accept her boyfriend's word that she was alright. Jessica probably would have eventually called Alex out and demand to see Amy, maybe even get the cops involved. That might've made him mad enough to feed her to the Operator like he did Brian, who knows.
Also, it doesn't seem to me that she was "just fine" before Jay turned up. Her roommate (and friend, I'm assuming) was kidnapped by a faceless demon. That doesn't really seem ok to me. Also, since they were roommates in a rented duplex, I'm assuming that they probably split the rent, meaning that Jessica could have been struggling to pay the bills herself without Amy around to pitch in, for all we know. I don't think Jay can take all the blame for that.

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 		So Jay said that 59 would be up and then it did go up, but he never tweeted it. What if Jay didn't upload it? We have had YouTube vids before that Jay didn't post. What if someone (TTA presumably) posted it for him? That could mean Jay was unable to. Or perhaps jay could have meant to post one that had been edited to make him look more favourable. Or he could have taken Tim's suggestions to heart and wasn't going to post about Tim, but TTA thought it needed to be posted
Or he could have forgotten.
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jenni42ld wrote:
So Jay said that 59 would be up and then it did go up, but he never tweeted it. What if Jay didn't upload it? We have had YouTube vids before that Jay didn't post. What if someone (TTA presumably) posted it for him? That could mean Jay was unable to. Or perhaps jay could have meant to post one that had been edited to make him look more favourable. Or he could have taken Tim's suggestions to heart and wasn't going to post about Tim, but TTA thought it needed to be posted
Or he could have forgotten.


I'm thinking it's either, IG, Jay was so "traumatized" after getting picked apart by Tim (and also losing his only ally) that he forgot to tweet about the entry being up, or OOG, Troy simply forgot to tweet it. Minor error if so.

Though I do like the idea of another TTA-hack video soon, now that I think of it. Each season seems to have at least one (season 1 had Entry ###### and season 2 had enttry #37), so it'd be cool to have another one soon. I don't know what it is, but nothing seems to freak me out more than knowing that our "hero"'s source of giving us information can be taken over by the 'creepy totheark people' at any time.

So, yeah. Can I get an "enttry #60"? xD
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Ithilwen22 wrote:
Drksrpnt wrote:
Can't remember if this has been mentioned or not, but Tim says "Jessica was doing just fine before she met you!"

Everyone said stuff about her mentioning recurring dreams about being stalked, etc., but keep in mind that that is only mentioned in the hotel. That is, chronologically after the encounter with Alex in 52. And Alex said he didn't want her to get involved. So maybe it's true; she would have been just fine if Jay hadn't called her and gotten her involved.


Good point. Everyone takes that quote to mean she was stalked as a child, but there's no proof of that. A dream about being a child could just as easily indicate how vulnerable she was feeling at the time. Even Jay admits he was probably the one who dragged her into it. I think that's part of the reason why he's so adamant in finding out what happened to her.


EVERYTHING I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS AN INSANE THEORY RELATING TO THIS:

I think that, with Jessica, it was the same (speculated) story as Tim, Alex, and Jay: That all of them grew up in "Rosswood Town" and were stalked as children by the Operator. When everyone went their separate ways and the Operator continued to stalk Alex (around the beginning of the Marble Hornets shooting, for as far as we can tell), everyone else was spared due to Alex apparently becoming the Operator's prime target, for whatever reason. I'm thinking that Alex believed that Jay was the most exploitable person in the whole Marble Hornets crew (I mean... look at him.), so he offered up his tapes so that he could either A, start to remember things himself, or B, remind other members of the cast of all of this based on Jay's sudden obsession with Alex's tapes. Tim in Entry #15 was a good example of how this fell into place. While it's arguable that Jay was the reason that all of this spread (talking to Jessica about it, reminding Tim, and conducting a non-stop search for Alex in season 2), it was Alex that initially started the whole thing, so whether Jessica was re-influenced by Jay or not by Entry #32, Alex is still to blame. Therefore, I still think Jay was right in saying that Alex had to do with her disappearance.

So that was my huge and unnecessary theory to how the Operator's main influence is still from Alex, but Jay is being used as a sort of "puppet" to spread this metaphorical "plague" of memories.
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evanx275h wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
Drksrpnt wrote:
Can't remember if this has been mentioned or not, but Tim says "Jessica was doing just fine before she met you!"

Everyone said stuff about her mentioning recurring dreams about being stalked, etc., but keep in mind that that is only mentioned in the hotel. That is, chronologically after the encounter with Alex in 52. And Alex said he didn't want her to get involved. So maybe it's true; she would have been just fine if Jay hadn't called her and gotten her involved.


Good point. Everyone takes that quote to mean she was stalked as a child, but there's no proof of that. A dream about being a child could just as easily indicate how vulnerable she was feeling at the time. Even Jay admits he was probably the one who dragged her into it. I think that's part of the reason why he's so adamant in finding out what happened to her.


EVERYTHING I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS AN INSANE THEORY RELATING TO THIS:

I think that, with Jessica, it was the same (speculated) story as Tim, Alex, and Jay: That all of them grew up in "Rosswood Town" and were stalked as children by the Operator. When everyone went their separate ways and the Operator continued to stalk Alex (around the beginning of the Marble Hornets shooting, for as far as we can tell), everyone else was spared due to Alex apparently becoming the Operator's prime target, for whatever reason. I'm thinking that Alex believed that Jay was the most exploitable person in the whole Marble Hornets crew (I mean... look at him.), so he offered up his tapes so that he could either A, start to remember things himself, or B, remind other members of the cast of all of this based on Jay's sudden obsession with Alex's tapes. Tim in Entry #15 was a good example of how this fell into place. While it's arguable that Jay was the reason that all of this spread (talking to Jessica about it, reminding Tim, and conducting a non-stop search for Alex in season 2), it was Alex that initially started the whole thing, so whether Jessica was re-influenced by Jay or not by Entry #32, Alex is still to blame. Therefore, I still think Jay was right in saying that Alex had to do with her disappearance.

So that was my huge and unnecessary theory to how the Operator's main influence is still from Alex, but Jay is being used as a sort of "puppet" to spread this metaphorical "plague" of memories.


I honestly really love this theory. If Alex planned on giving the tapes to anyone, I can see Jay being his first choice. Poor Jay can be pretty derpy at times.

I especially love the idea of them all being stalked as children, but as yet I haven't seen any strong evidence for it yet.

And of course, I have no doubt Alex was involved in Jessica's disappearance, if the Slenderator was involved. I'm assuming that Tim got to Jay before it was too late for him.

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
I especially love the idea of them all being stalked as children, but as yet I haven't seen any strong evidence for it yet.


Evidence so far seems to be:

enttry #37 where young Alex looks off camera, possibly to the Operator, followed by the Operator parroting Happy Birthday to him. This could have been doctored footage given that it was probably TTA who uploaded it.

Tim seems to have been stalked for a very long time. The ongoing mental health issues he has seem to be have been going on for years, but not ongoing since childhood. (The way he talks in Entry #59 about "bringing back memories" suggests it was a series traumatic events, rather than chronic stalking.) He knows of the abandoned hospital and claimed to have "had enough of that place for a lifetime", despite going there a couple of times, not counting the time he went with Alex, which he forgot about. To me that suggests he knew about it as a child or a teenager. (There'd be no reason to hang about a burned out mental hospital as an adult. It's cool and all, but exploring burned out places isn't generally something adults do just for the fun of it. So either he explored it as a kid/teenager, or he was there before it burned down, which was probably many years ago. Heck, he may have burned it down himself, given the gas can and water bottles in Entry #58.)

Don't know if you were already thinking about these kinds of things, I'm just putting it out there for further discussion.

Okay, here's a bit I always lose track of. Where did Alex grow up? Where was he in Season 1 and where did he move to in Season 2? Is it possible he grew up in Rosswood, moved to Genericton and then moved back to Rosswood? Because if so then that would be awesome. It would allow for so much speculation.

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 		Am I the only one who kept looking in the background at that window or whatever the hell that was in the back? Because I was pretty sure I saw something move in there like 5 times.

I was also sort of waiting for slendy to be on the other side of Tim's car as Jay started to approach him after he picked the camera back up.

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 		Oh boy
So I`m understanding why Tim is so very angry about all of what just happened. I mean, he just figured out whats going on through what I believe is at least 10 random entries made by Jay, all of which would span the entirety of his videos, with everything mentioning him, Jessica or Alex. He was so angry that he couldn`t help but yell at him and blame him for all of the problems he is currently having.

Alternately, for Jay`s side, how in the world was he supposed to tell him that he knew what was going on with him. Hell, the way Tim approached the situation may even have confirmed Jay`s fears of Tim`s reaction for letting him know what is going on.

The blame should be on Jay only for the recent awakening of Tim`s sickness and partially for the disappearance of Jessica. Everything that happens around jay isn`t particularly his fault. The fact that Alex was lying to Jessica, to me, infers that she, like brian, was taken by Slendy.

Tim will end up helping out Jay in one way or another if he ends up going back to periods of amnesia and goes against the operator unless a theory[1] I have occurs.

Jay will go to that tunnel, which will be a great vamp to all this back story that has been going on and I will expect many derpy things to happen before and during his decision, no matter how cautiously he thought.

Before I go onto my theory and hello I will speak a little more about alex. Alex, in my opinion has been stalked from childhood after a birthday, where he suffered extreme amnesia and was taken in by the operator somewhere near that abandoned hospital. This may be a theory in itself but it explains his overall calmness with the operator.

[1]Now off to the theory. I believe that Jay is now a component partially needed by the Operator. Jay is the only other one with as frequent and as close appearances to the operator as Alex. This is not, to me, much or a coincidence but more of a clue as to Jays relationship to Alex in the sake of their videotaping. I`ll leave the rest of my theory open to scrutiny


Now to say hi, I hope that I can be active here.

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aidansean wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
I especially love the idea of them all being stalked as children, but as yet I haven't seen any strong evidence for it yet.


Evidence so far seems to be:

enttry #37 where young Alex looks off camera, possibly to the Operator, followed by the Operator parroting Happy Birthday to him. This could have been doctored footage given that it was probably TTA who uploaded it.

Tim seems to have been stalked for a very long time. The ongoing mental health issues he has seem to be have been going on for years, but not ongoing since childhood. (The way he talks in Entry #59 about "bringing back memories" suggests it was a series traumatic events, rather than chronic stalking.) He knows of the abandoned hospital and claimed to have "had enough of that place for a lifetime", despite going there a couple of times, not counting the time he went with Alex, which he forgot about. To me that suggests he knew about it as a child or a teenager.

Don't know if you were already thinking about these kinds of things, I'm just putting it out there for further discussion.

Okay, here's a bit I always lose track of. Where did Alex grow up? Where was he in Season 1 and where did he move to in Season 2? Is it possible he grew up in Rosswood, moved to Genericton and then moved back to Rosswood? Because if so then that would be awesome. It would allow for so much speculation.


I'd thought of them but figured that wasn't strong enough evidence for me to back the theory 100%. enttry #37 is always iffy with me, since it was definitely tampered with.

On the note of Alex's home, I think you're right. I assumed Rosswood was his old home, since at the end of Entry...22? After the Disappearing Seth act, he says he's "going home". The next we hear of him, he's living in Rosswood, and from what I can tell he's pretty well settled.

I think it does make sense Alex has a connection to the place too, since we're getting more and more of a hint that Rosswood is the Slenderator's hangout/home base/favorite soul restaurant or what have you.

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
...Rosswood is the Slenderator's hangout/home base/favorite soul restaurant or what have you.

That's it, Slendy just wants the MH cast to be in his jazz band. Alex playing trumpet, of course.
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