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Aeliott
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UseR1011100 wrote:
Now this may be going out on a limb, but I thought that season 1 contained some strong implications that Jay was up to some TTAish behavior during his black outs, ie the dark circles of black grease paint under Jays eye's in the Return vid (most people think it's just dark circles, but if that's the case it's a super shitty make-up job, cause it looks like black grease paint that you would wear under a dark mask to hide the skin tone around your eyes), and Masky leaving behind his mask for Jay after he wakes up in the closet.

Perhaps Jay is much more involved in the origin of the fate of the MH crew than we have been lead to believe, he was of course missing time way back then too. Maybe TTA is implying that Jay is in fact the cause of everything, not Alex.


This is something that's bothered me for a while too. The "Return" video makes it obvious that Jay has had....something...done to him by Slender Man. And he has several blackouts over the course of the entries. I always have this feeling that Jay is somehow a "bad guy" in all this, perhaps he's responsible for Slender Man's "return", or is indirectly assisting this evil entity. And maybe TTA is trying to set him on the path to correcting it. Then again, why would TTA make his/her/their videos extra creepy, and how do they have all this close-hand footage of Slender Man, if they're not somehow "immune" to him? Whatever the case, I feel like Jay is going to be an anti-hero in some way.

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jimi060
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 		"LOOK TO THE ORIGIN" still confuses me, what's the difference between looking "at" something and looking "to" it? And if it does refer to the origin of masky, then what does TTA want us to see? And do the other two lines also apply to the origin? "TRUTH WITH LIGHT" the person with the light was Alex, and "HIS LIES IN THE DARK" would probably mean The Operator getting to Tim when he was hiding, but that's the opposite of what we've been shown - Alex was the liar and Timnesia was true. Maybe that's how The Operator takes control of people, by whispering lies in their ear.

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BitwiseP
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Megarain wrote:
Has any one run a spectorgraph over this yet?

I just did, think i found our missing number!

At the very end of the audio I can make out a 3.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/DemonGod_Shana/random/reference.jpg

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Ikekudeyg
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BitwiseP wrote:
Megarain wrote:
Has any one run a spectorgraph over this yet?

I just did, think i found our missing number!

At the very end of the audio I can make out a 3.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/DemonGod_Shana/random/reference.jpg


Spek doesn't show that detailed... thats audacity unless there is one with a similar icon... I'll have to check it out.

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twistedpuppet
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 		I'm not reading the rest of this thread. It's too long for me at this point. I also don't care if anyone has posted this or not, but this is what I came away with after watching Reference:

It's addressed to Tim and it's urging him to watch the earlier entries. It's pretty clear Tim only watched the last 20 or so entries and didn't see even see the hotel parts of season 2 and definitely none of season 1.

TTA is teling Tim to look further back in the entries. That's what I'm guessing. That's how it came across to me. Take it as you will.

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MDS1138
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 		The letters spell..

"KRALIE'S HID IN SETH"

My GOD...... Alex has hollowed out Seth's corpse and is hiding in it like a Tauntaun for some reason. "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside!"

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elkapo
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 		No digits lost in the final number, the three-digit number is centered relative to the other perfectly. Besides, I think the issue of numbers is solved.

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Ikekudeyg
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elkapo wrote:
No digits lost in the final number, the three-digit number is centered relative to the other perfectly. Besides, I think the issue of numbers is solved.


There is on a second look something on the spectrogram can't make out exactly what it is. Could be a number could be a symbol.

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rand__althor
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Spritey wrote:
I may be taking things at face value, but here's what I got out of this video:

"Bring a flashlight this time and maybe you'll find something for once."


"Hey, J, you forgot your flashlight."
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Izzer
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 		Could there be any vital information in the glitchyness in the beginning of the video? Could the lines covering the last digit of 199x mean anything?

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elkapo
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 		199. not 199x.

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amrith777
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KingOfTheNile10 wrote:
Woo, just joined because I love reading these threads!

Just a thought on location. The tunnel in Entry 58 has pipes along the right wall, whereas in Reference there are no pipes but instead some sort of support beam.

Suppose, then, that it is the same tunnel, but perhaps filmed from the other end. The two are dimensionally similar, after all, and if Reference was filmed from the other end, Tim appearing in the tunnel may symbolise Tim's return to totheark. After all, if totheark is based at the other end of that tunnel, the only reason Tim would go down there is perhaps to rejoin it/them.

'Do not fail' would then mean that totheark is relying on Tim to come back to it/them, and could be seen as something of a threat.

If the video is clearly addressed to Tim with the above information, 'truth with light' could refer to how Tim will be provided answers ('truth') by totheark, if he returns, that do not simply allow him to run away from his problems but instead end them forever - 'light' could be a reference to Jay returning with his flashlight.

So if this video is a message to Tim, I believe it is a request for him to accompany Jay into the tunnel in the next entry, with the promise of 'truth' as a reward.

EDIT: 'Look to the origins' may then refer to the origins of totheark, or the origins of Tim as Masky - i.e. Entries 56 and 57. Maybe totheark is trying to provoke Tim into rejoining by reminding him just what Alex did to him, and by renewing his old hatred.


First--Welcome to the forum.Secondly--I noted this very thing a page or two ago after re-watching Entry #58 and comparing it to this TTA entry,so now I know I'm not the only one who thought of this.And since many of TTA's entries show footage of a previous entry posted by Jay,but from a different vantage point--it would make perfect sense for this to be yet another.I know lots of people say this,I don't normally,but this next entry will definitely be a game changer and very pivotal.
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KingOfTheNile10 wrote:

Just a thought on location. The tunnel in Entry 58 has pipes along the right wall, whereas in Reference there are no pipes but instead some sort of support beam.

Suppose, then, that it is the same tunnel, but perhaps filmed from the other end. The two are dimensionally similar, after all, and if Reference was filmed from the other end, Tim appearing in the tunnel may symbolise Tim's return to totheark. After all, if totheark is based at the other end of that tunnel, the only reason Tim would go down there is perhaps to rejoin it/them.

'Do not fail' would then mean that totheark is relying on Tim to come back to it/them, and could be seen as something of a threat.

If the video is clearly addressed to Tim with the above information, 'truth with light' could refer to how Tim will be provided answers ('truth') by totheark, if he returns, that do not simply allow him to run away from his problems but instead end them forever - 'light' could be a reference to Jay returning with his flashlight.

So if this video is a message to Tim, I believe it is a request for him to accompany Jay into the tunnel in the next entry, with the promise of 'truth' as a reward.

EDIT: 'Look to the origins' may then refer to the origins of totheark, or the origins of Tim as Masky - i.e. Entries 56 and 57. Maybe totheark is trying to provoke Tim into rejoining by reminding him just what Alex did to him, and by renewing his old hatred.


I like this theory.

PS: Late for the party, once again.
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KingOfTheNile10
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amrith777 wrote:
KingOfTheNile10 wrote:
Woo, just joined because I love reading these threads!

Just a thought on location. The tunnel in Entry 58 has pipes along the right wall, whereas in Reference there are no pipes but instead some sort of support beam.

Suppose, then, that it is the same tunnel, but perhaps filmed from the other end. The two are dimensionally similar, after all, and if Reference was filmed from the other end, Tim appearing in the tunnel may symbolise Tim's return to totheark. After all, if totheark is based at the other end of that tunnel, the only reason Tim would go down there is perhaps to rejoin it/them.

'Do not fail' would then mean that totheark is relying on Tim to come back to it/them, and could be seen as something of a threat.

If the video is clearly addressed to Tim with the above information, 'truth with light' could refer to how Tim will be provided answers ('truth') by totheark, if he returns, that do not simply allow him to run away from his problems but instead end them forever - 'light' could be a reference to Jay returning with his flashlight.

So if this video is a message to Tim, I believe it is a request for him to accompany Jay into the tunnel in the next entry, with the promise of 'truth' as a reward.

EDIT: 'Look to the origins' may then refer to the origins of totheark, or the origins of Tim as Masky - i.e. Entries 56 and 57. Maybe totheark is trying to provoke Tim into rejoining by reminding him just what Alex did to him, and by renewing his old hatred.


First--Welcome to the forum.Secondly--I noted this very thing a page or two ago after re-watching Entry #58 and comparing it to this TTA entry,so now I know I'm not the only one who thought of this.And since many of TTA's entries show footage of a previous entry posted by Jay,but from a different vantage point--it would make perfect sense for this to be yet another.I know lots of people say this,I don't normally,but this next entry will definitely be a game changer and very pivotal.


Thanks for the warm welcome.

I watched this video expecting it to reveal Tim's identity as a member of totheark. The main problem is that it is not at all easy to identity just who totheark is addressing in this response. If totheark is indeed addressing Tim, I believe this to be the most likely message totheark is trying to convey (an invitation); however, it is equally possible that totheark is talking to J. Suppose the same logic could be applied - i.e. if J also used to be part of TTA, then this video is equally valid as an invitation to him (I agree with UseR1011100's point about J in Return - its quite likely there is something he's hiding from us).

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 		I'm comfortable with "His lies in the dark". It would fit.

I think we're still talking about Tim here.

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