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[VIDEO] Entry #60
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awakeasaurusrex
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Jamocha101 wrote:
Even though, it's early on in the thread, I'm kind of ready to build up a speculation wall. Read at your own risk.

There's really not much to say about this entry, but here's the lesson of the day, kids: Tim is a liar, and it's safe to assume that these accusations are coming from our dearest Hoody, a good candidate because he left the grafitti on the wall in the room he had sprung out of, and he also left the documents in the tunnel, in or near where the latest Totheark video had been filmed. What's strange is that we've deduced that Hoody and Masky are working together, most primarily to acheive a common goal, which had something to do wtih the discovery of the ark, so the question is, why is Hoody trying to rat Tim out for being deceptive if these indicators point to that?

Maybe Hoody is a-OK with Tim's Masky personality, but it's the Tim personality he has a beef with?

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Yuki
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 		That FUCKING Slenderdoll. The instant I saw it I grabbed my sheets, my comforter, and two goddamn stuffed animals because I KNEW I would get freaked out.

I expected Alex to start chasing him up until that point. Holy fucking shit, man. Something tells me we'll get a ToTheArk video too, although it's weird that it seems like they're trying to say Tim is the liar now.

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I gotta say I would NEVER go down into a place like that, even before Marble Hornets. Troy's got my kudos.


Also, notice the Slenderdoll has eyes. I hadn't noticed it before, to be honest; maybe it did in earlier entries.

I can't reconcile what we're getting now about Tim being a liar with what we know about Alex from before. They're changing up who we can trust again, and while that's great for horror and intrigue, I can't figure out at all what they're going to do; I can't even make a theory at this point.

I don't personally think Jay teleports, especially with The Operator; it looks like he glances behind him with the camera and sees The Operator, not that it goes in front of him.

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Is that arm or tentacle? Shocked

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awakeasaurusrex
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Jordan wrote:
Tim will approach Jay after apparently calming down and wishes to work with Jay to find out what happened during the. Together, they stumble upon something big (Sarah's address?). The tension in this entry will involve Jay's suspicion of Tim. This will continue on for several entries, as they track down Sarah (creepy road trip?) or continue their research into what happened.

Problem with this scenario: Tim now knows about the YouTube channel. Which means that if Jay is being at all sensible, he needs to assume that Tim has seen this entry and knows Jay has those medical documents.

If Tim is in Entry 61 at all, I suspect he'll either be confessing a few things or angrily demanding his medical documents back.

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ReverendJ
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 		Maybe the jump in the video isn't because he teleported.

Maybe it's the part where Big O caught up to him and the camera stopped recording till he was finished with Jay and leaving.

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aidansean
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 		Wow. Great entry. Loved it. Some thoughts:

Jay could have done with a Portal gun down there.

The Operator clearly teleported and blocked Jay's path, meaning he could easily prevent escape, but he didn't. The Operator let him go.

The assault course was probably necessary to keep Tim away. Can't scale those pipes quickly enough with a broken leg.

I always thought the video name "Admission" meant "Confession". Perhaps not, given this.

Christmas 1995 sucked for Tim. And his last name starts with W. And he had glasses then (like he did in the MH trailer!)

Footsteps: Either Alex or Tim is scary, but could be Hoody's way of knowing if someone is around up there. (As long as Jay hears footsteps he's safe, because they're up there. When they fade away it's time to panic.) Or it's Hoody, letting Jay know he's guarding things up top.

The Operator in the tunnel reminded me of Sloth in the tunnel in FMA.

Why did the folder have the symbol on it, and why did Jay show it for so long? That's just asking for trouble!

At 8:56 does someone say "Jay"?

He had hives in 1995. He was unnaturally cold and afraid, even back then.

Does the handwriting in Entry #60 look like the handwriting in Warning? I can see similarities (lowercase 'r'), but also some differences (lowercase 'a').

And finally... imagine being Tim, all of 5 years old (or thereabouts), and having to deal with that kind of thing. Not nice.

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paladin181
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 		Re: My own notes so far
GnomonRose wrote:
Well, I thought it was pretty good, for one thing. It certainly has things going on!

I suppose it's pretty clear that the 'hooded person' is the one who's leaving messages for Jay on the walls, and preparing the papers for Jay to find. I suspect that TO was there on his own decision, not directly because of Hoodie; he can't just be expected to wait in that cramped space indefinitely until Jay returns, if he does, gets the notes, takes the crawlspace, etc. . .

I at first Slendy looked strange popping out of the wall like that, but now I think maybe Jay's camera was turned 90 degrees and he was coming out of the ... floor, I guess? I didn't see a spot he could have come out of.

OOG, I think maybe they either used a cut (totally possible with all the camera messery) or two TOs to get the jump cut feeling.

The doll seems the cleanest thing in the place.

I assume that the use of the doll is, like a leitmotif, meant to tie things together from That House; maybe Hoodie, then, was there at the house; maybe there's teleporting happening in the crawlspace. And maybe the Basement of Doom is relevant to both??

I was very antsy watching the first half, and after Slendy had appeared (I paused after the first moment and after that felt a bit let down; I should have let it run!) I was more analytical.

So it appears Hoodie was calling Tim a liar, and since the last TTA was about lying too it seems that there's a strong connection between TTA and Hoodie; possibly they are the same person or working in cahoots. That was my feeling as soon as I saw the new graffiti with the word Liar. Hoodie seems to have been the one filming Jay sleeping in his car in the car park that one time as well.

The connection with Tim appearing in TTA videos at close range, even posing for TTA (see the rolling eyes in his mask), is a bit mystifying for me still.

Since there were no more signs leading Jay from the hospital to the crawlspace I guess Hoodie was assuming that the "following" from his last chase still applied.

Hmmm, I'm no mathematician, but Tim (Not a Tim S, but a Tim W, maybe for Wagner??) has records from '95, so that seems to make Tim a young'un at that time in his life, I reckon.

I dunno, Tim's outrage could well be real even though he has maybe been lying about stuff otherwise. Also I'm not confident we can trust Hoodie in the first place.

I will soon start to get a list together of things that are still wholly confusing or unexplained from the series, that I hope to find out more about before the series ends...

Part of this is just that I wonder how clearly the entire "arc" of the story was imagined from the start. Maybe some of the early appearances in the earliest entries, say 1-12ish, might not fit into the canon we have now? Like having an umbrella in the very early bits of the Narnia series, when no such machinelike things are otherwise used later... things like the dead animals, and the dog, and ... much later, the flock of masked or hooded entities who threaten to hurt ... was it Jay? ... with a rock... that masked person seemed much less robust than the others and I didn't feel it was Tim at all.

by the way, in my own opinion, after the Tim/Jay breakup I think Jay was tending to his punched face, more than wiping away tears of remorse... further, those footsteps upstairs (I thought it was all cement?! How can Jay hear that?? And is the person 'tracking' jay as in above/below the ice dynamic?) -- footsteps rather than running sounds--could be Hoodie or Tim, I guess. or that "security guard"...


Just a note here, I think W was his middle initial, not the first letter of his last name.

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pravado wrote:
One of these days I'm just going to learn to ignore people calling me a negative nancy, one of these days. Probably when Zargg gets fed up with entry topics getting derailed because of people calling me out (hopefully he has enough sense to see my side of the situation)


He's actually got a point. Regardless of who's saying it, these Entry threads are not the place for this kind of antagonism.

If you guys absolutely need to bitch about pravado, use the rage thread. As long as he's not jumping all over people in an effort to discount their theories, he still has the right to his opinions. (Even though I disagree with about 80% of them. Razz)

mokie wrote:
Just for sake of muddying the waters: when Hoody first appeared, there was some debate over whether or not it was possible for Alex himself to be Hoody. Does anyone recall if a hard and fast reason why not came up? I know, there's a second masked figure in Entry #45, but has that been universally agreed to be Hoody?

That's not necessarily a bad theory... Alex and Tim could potentially both be using Jay against the other by manipulating his thoughts about them. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a stretch, at least with the other information we have. To directly answer the question posed, I'm pretty sure most of us agree that those two figures are Hoody and Masky.

brdardin wrote:
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/calgar_20/pic1.jpg

Is that arm or tentacle? Shocked

As a still image, it looks like a smudge.

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 		Well, the operator appears after a long time, just after Tim remembers his past. Maybe TO is only a kind of mascot for tim, through which Tim expresses his anger. Slender in turn can control others, like Alex, to do their dirty work. Tim complains about the character of Alex, shows a deep hatred for him, maybe this caused the first appearance of the tall man on the set of MH, and subsequent harassment of Alex, until he controlled it. I've never seen Tim and TO faced. In entry # 45 does not really know if Slenderman drove the masked, or just was there, accompanying the wrath of Tim, and something else was really that scared them. TO protect Tim - Masky, scares away the curious and controls its enemies. Maybe.

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 		just a quick question... wouldnt this be the first time Jay has seen slendy/the operator himself? all i every remember has been in from Alex, either the season 2 stuff or the old season 1, or the other cast members

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Zarggg wrote:
I'm not sorry. (potentially spoilery if you didn't watch the video yet.


Is it me, or does our "slender" friend look a little chunkier in this shot? Cut down on eating those bearded drifters, man, they're all trans fat. If you gain any more weight, they'll be calling you the IHOPerator. Forget mind control, you'd better master some portion control. When you creep into kids' birthday parties, do you save any cake for the others? You may have no facial features, but you can still get a double chin unless you teleport yourself onto a treadmill for a little bit.

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elkapo wrote:
Well, the operator appears after a long time, just after Tim remembers his past. Maybe TO is only a kind of mascot for tim, through which Tim expresses his anger. Slender in turn can control others, like Alex, to do their dirty work. Tim complains about the character of Alex, shows a deep hatred for him, maybe this caused the first appearance of the tall man on the set of MH, and subsequent harassment of Alex, until he controlled it. I've never seen Tim and TO faced. In entry # 45 does not really know if Slenderman drove the masked, or just was there, accompanying the wrath of Tim, and something else was really that scared them. TO protect Tim - Masky, scares away the curious and controls its enemies. Maybe.
The operator was at Alex's birthday party when he was a kid. There's definitely a connection between Alex and the operator that predates any (known) meeting with Tim.

ClownSerj wrote:
just a quick question... wouldnt this be the first time Jay has seen slendy/the operator himself? all i every remember has been in from Alex, either the season 2 stuff or the old season 1, or the other cast members
Jay rushed headlong into the Operator in Jessica's hotel room. Whether he was pulled or rushed him to attack remains unknown, but he's definitely seen the thing. Up close.

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 		@ClownSerj: The first time Jay directly encountered the Operator personally was in Entry #52, before waking up in the hotel with no memory of the prior seven months.

@MDS1138: OOG
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I blame bad camera angles and the necessity of filming in cramped spaces.


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paladin181 wrote:
ClownSerj wrote:
just a quick question... wouldnt this be the first time Jay has seen slendy/the operator himself? all i every remember has been in from Alex, either the season 2 stuff or the old season 1, or the other cast members
Jay rushed headlong into the Operator in Jessica's hotel room. Whether he was pulled or rushed him to attack remains unknown, but he's definitely seen the thing. Up close.


forgot about that =P

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Zarggg wrote:
@MDS1138: OOG
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I blame bad camera angles and the necessity of filming in cramped spaces.


Probably, or IG maybe he had to kinda "compress" himself a bit to fit into a tunnel that size? At any rate, I just felt like roasting him.

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