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[SPEC] The Operator as a good guy?
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ReverendJ
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[SPEC] The Operator as a good guy?

I jokingly suggested that BigO showed up in 60 to get Jay out of the tunnel before whoever was upstairs got to him.

This started me thinking though, the only times we've seen BigO is after someone gets hurt (by Alex), when someone may be in danger, and when he stalked Alex (possibly because he's crazy and bad). Physical contact seems to cause memory loss but no one seems to be too badly hurt other then Tim who may have already had issues. Jay's largest memory loss was a result of him tackling Slederific. Tim's involvement with BigO may be because he is not well.

Is there anything specifically pointing to him being intentionally bad to anyone other then Alex (who may have received an operator head injury after beating Tim with a piece of rebar).

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pravado
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He's not a good guy. He takes people against their will and covers up murders for alex. He stalks people. He caused alex to harm his friends (alex was a nice human being apparently before he came into play)

This has been brought up a million times, but did this really need its own topic?

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Magyk
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Don't mind Provado, he's just a meany-mean-face.



I've always liked the idea that the big O was from some kind of other world/dimension and therefor didn't understand how things worked on our planet (or in our realm or whatever) and therefor didn't understand that he was doing these really terrible things and what not.
Kind of like when you see a really little kid throw a handful of dirt at a dog or cat, they don't really know what they're doing - they're just kind of playing and can't comprehend what they're doing is harmful or whatever.

Having said that, I doubt this is the way MH turns out.

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Ithilwen22
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I said this over on Entry #60 thread, but I'll say it over here.

I believe it was in the interview on Troy's OOG channel where they said that when the Operator appeared, it was supposed to be a real physical threat but they've had trouble pulling that element off. I'll find the exact source and get back to you all about it.

Either way, the idea of the unknowable being as the good guy or at least not malevolent takes away from the horror factor, for me. Someone might as well go up to him and say "I'm afraid, old chap, your presence is causing quite a commotion. Do you mind making friends over in the next dimension? Jolly good." Very Happy

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pravado wrote:
He caused alex to harm his friends



No he didn't. All we know is that Alex started to see him and that he became unbalanced. We have no evidence that the two are related.

It's just as likely that the Operator could tell, ahead of time, that Alex was about to snap and begin harming people and he's just here to watch it all unfold.

We've never seen the Operator harm anyone. The closest to harming anyone we've seen was when Alex approached him and passed out.

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conundrum768 wrote:
pravado wrote:
He caused alex to harm his friends



No he didn't. All we know is that Alex started to see him and that he became unbalanced. We have no evidence that the two are related.

It's just as likely that the Operator could tell, ahead of time, that Alex was about to snap and begin harming people and he's just here to watch it all unfold.

We've never seen the Operator harm anyone. The closest to harming anyone we've seen was when Alex approached him and passed out.


The attack on Jay and Jessica in the hotel was pretty aggressive, even though they seemed to be physically okay.

I'm starting to think that the Operator doesn't have a specific M.O. other than turning people on each other and causing general paranoia and violence. I think he is definitely malevolent, but his concerns over the details are minimal, he just causes bad things to happen.
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I remember in the MH Radio Interview Troy and Joseph said they didn't think twists in the plot were interesting, and having your plot rely on them is bad. I think the impression people get from the Operator is that he's threatening. The creators have said they try to make him seem threatening, and he does bad things to the characters, whether they're on purpose or not. Whether he's purposely villainous or not, he's still from story's perspective the antagonist, without a doubt.

As such, I think it would undoubtedly be a twist for the Operator to turn out not evil. I think the Operator's nature may very well never be truly revealed, but for it to be revealed that he's good? Doubtful.

That being said, since I do believe his nature will never be revealed, we can always come up with our own crazy theories, like that he's actually good. And I always encourage creative thinking.

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DHawk314 wrote:
I remember in the MH Radio Interview Troy and Joseph said they didn't think twists in the plot were interesting, and having your plot rely on them is bad.

This is some unfortunate twisting of Joseph's words. What he actually said is that if the entire plot was an excuse for a "mind blowing" twist ending, it's bad.

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Re: The Operator as a good guy?

Entry 14. TO stalks into Alex's bedroom, and he wakes up with blood over his head. As you said, he appears before Alex more than anyone else - but in Entry 59 Tim described similar conditions; "waking up in the back of your car with blood on your head and not knowing how you got there" (rough quote). While there's no certain proof this was TO's doing, the amnesia is a strong case for it.

What about Jessica in 52? We don't see it, but she screams and disappears shortly before Jay sees TO.

What about Brian in 51? That was the last we saw of him, and if TO was there to stop Alex he did a very poor job of it, peeking in on Brian before his motionless body is dragged away by Alex.

There are probably more instances. It's an interesting theory, but ultimately I really don't think it's true. And I sincerely hope not Razz. Can you imagine re-watching every other entry, TTA and MH alike, and see TO and thinking to yourself "it's ok, he doesn't mean harm, he's on our side!" it would completely ruin what made this so popular in the first place - paranoia and mystery.

Regarding the most recent entry...TO does get pretty much a mere few inches from Jay, yet he manages to get away. He's right up in his face when he looks back and nothing bad happens that we know of. I noticed a lot of people say that TO "let Jay escape". Ehhhh. Really? The very first time we see him at around 8 minutes he is reaching towards Jay. But most importantly, the footage cuts out and skips to him climbing out of the tunnel. While it's still very bright outside, pretty much the same as when he entered, there's still a possibility that something happened between him being chased and climbing out. There's also that theory about the doll somehow protecting or teleporting him... But back to the point, just because he got that close and Jay was (seemingly) unscathed, doesn't mean he's not trying to harm him.

Aaanyway. To make the very cornerstone of Marble Hornets a "good" entity wouldn't make much sense, and would eliminate the horror of his prior appearances. Which ultimately makes it a lot less interesting to watch in my opinion

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Re: The Operator as a good guy?

Aeliott wrote:
Entry 14. TO stalks into Alex's bedroom, and he wakes up with blood over his head. As you said, he appears before Alex more than anyone else - but in Entry 59 Tim described similar conditions; "waking up in the back of your car with blood on your head and not knowing how you got there" (rough quote). While there's no certain proof this was TO's doing, the amnesia is a strong case for it.

What about Jessica in 52? We don't see it, but she screams and disappears shortly before Jay sees TO.

What about Brian in 51? That was the last we saw of him, and if TO was there to stop Alex he did a very poor job of it, peeking in on Brian before his motionless body is dragged away by Alex.

There are probably more instances. It's an interesting theory, but ultimately I really don't think it's true. And I sincerely hope not Razz. Can you imagine re-watching every other entry, TTA and MH alike, and see TO and thinking to yourself "it's ok, he doesn't mean harm, he's on our side!" it would completely ruin what made this so popular in the first place - paranoia and mystery.

Regarding the most recent entry...TO does get pretty much a mere few inches from Jay, yet he manages to get away. He's right up in his face when he looks back and nothing bad happens that we know of. I noticed a lot of people say that TO "let Jay escape". Ehhhh. Really? The very first time we see him at around 8 minutes he is reaching towards Jay. But most importantly, the footage cuts out and skips to him climbing out of the tunnel. While it's still very bright outside, pretty much the same as when he entered, there's still a possibility that something happened between him being chased and climbing out. There's also that theory about the doll somehow protecting or teleporting him...

Aaanyway. To make the very cornerstone of Marble Hornets a "good" entity wouldn't make much sense, and would eliminate the horror of his prior appearances. Which ultimately makes it a lot less interesting to watch in my opinion
The idea he didn't "get away" but was released after Slednerator had his way (like on those shows where they chase, tranq, tag and label, then release an animal) is very appealing as well. You think by now anytime there was a hint of paranormal they would start checking the time to make sure it's all accounted for.

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DHawk314 wrote:
I remember in the MH Radio Interview Troy and Joseph said they didn't think twists in the plot were interesting, and having your plot rely on them is bad. I think the impression people get from the Operator is that he's threatening. The creators have said they try to make him seem threatening, and he does bad things to the characters, whether they're on purpose or not. Whether he's purposely villainous or not, he's still from story's perspective the antagonist, without a doubt.


That was what I was looking for! Now you've saved me some trouble, thanks. XD

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I think we won't know 100% until the very end of the series whether Slendy is a goody or a bady, but while it's likely that he is a villain, I don't think the idea he may be good is something that should be thrown out or decreed as impossible. The truth is we don't even know what Slendy is, let alone his motivations. All we have to go by is an off-hand story told by Alex, and he could have made that up, or even only told them a portion of the tale.

Personally I like the idea he may not be as villainess as his made out to be, and perhaps more of a victim. Now, allot of people seem to think its Alex being controlled by Slendy, but I have always wondered whether it is in fact him who controlling Slendy, or simply syphoning his powers for his own use. Alex has always remained rather... well, not sane, but aware of what his doing, unlike Tim, who seems to go through bouts and stages. Perhaps Slendy, unable to fight back by mortal means, possess or influences Masky and Hoody in order to give him a fighting chance. Admittedly, the series seems to be hinting that Tim's youth is involved with Slendy, but perhaps it was through Tim that Alex found out about Slendy? I'm sure there are hundreds of countless counter-arguments, but I like the idea that Alex is the true horror of the series and not the tall scary guy.

As for making the series less scary... perhaps, but I don't see how that could be much of a problem if dealt with in the final entry. If the current theory that he can't physically harm anyone is true, would that make him less scary or less of a threat as well?

Either way, I look forward to finding out. Personally I am hoping his motivations will be something that surprises and shocks us all come the final! Smile

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he isn't reaching towards jay, he's climbing over the pipes. i frame by frame'd it

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onetruepurple wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
I remember in the MH Radio Interview Troy and Joseph said they didn't think twists in the plot were interesting, and having your plot rely on them is bad.

This is some unfortunate twisting of Joseph's words. What he actually said is that if the entire plot was an excuse for a "mind blowing" twist ending, it's bad.
Oh please. I said that Joseph said that if you rely on twists to make the plot good, then it's not interesting. That's not "Unfortunate twisting" it's "Paraphrasing". And regardless, the whole series is basically based on you being scared of Slendy. Sure Masky and Hoody are there, but Slendy's the main anatagonist. Hence my point: The only reason for the Operator to turn out to be good would be to lead up to some mind blowing twist. It would only seem interesting because it's unexpected, and I took from the interview that that's just not their style. I think it was a fair inference.

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conundrum768 wrote:
pravado wrote:
He caused alex to harm his friends



No he didn't. All we know is that Alex started to see him and that he became unbalanced. We have no evidence that the two are related.


Yes, we do. Remember the video where Alex kills Bruce? The Operator's image appears over Alex.

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