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chaos_angel
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pravado wrote:
and please people, stop with the doll summons slendy nonsense. how often do we see slendy and how often do we the person being confronted holding a doll

how could holding a doll summon him to you, it doesn't even make sense


I suppose if you subscribe to the tulpa theory and the idea that Tim summoned him/he is a reflection of Tim's fears, it's feasible that the doll belonged to child-Tim and is a focus or even the original "source" of the Operator ("LOOK TO THE ORIGINS?"), and while you don't *need* the doll for him to show up, having it automatically draws him to you, because of the mental "power" or "energy" Tim has associated with it. Sort of like an anchor to a ghost. (I don't recall if we see Big Op directly in the entry where Jay sees the doll and is teleporting all over the place or not, but I recall at least a screen tear, I think, that gives away his presence.)

I don't know if I fully subscribe to the theory above, but just sayin'. It's plausible.
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Lithp
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3. I don't see any teleportation...everyone here keeps bringing up teleportation but I just haven't seen it. Jay was running through the tunnel as quick as he could, and with the camera shaking around (and possibly accidentally turning off/on, or even turning off/on because of the Operator's presence), the images probably look a little jolted. That doesn't mean he teleported. If they answer this by saying "teleportation did it", I'm going to be upset with the story (just a little, though). The wall of pipes just seem like the pipes Jay crawled over earlier when getting to the medical records.


I like to assume the natural explanation in Marble Hornets wherever possible. All of this business about summoning Slenderman, siphoning his powers, & the magic properties of the mask just sound...far-fetched to me.

In this case, I am forced to assume it, because I just don't see how else it is logistically possible for Jay to have just...escaped. Even if The Operator just wanted to get him out of the tunnel, he is perfectly capable of--ironically--teleporting him & erasing his memory.

There's also that scene where Jay goes under the pipes, & when he gets out, The Operator is RIGHT THERE. You're telling me it couldn't just pick him up with its super long arms, or step on him, or something?

No, in this case, I think mundane explanations are actually weaker.

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Gante
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Until now, we've assumed that Tim's pills were antipsychotic/antiseizure meds, or perhaps steriods to ease the inflammation in his lungs. Perhaps they regulate his kidney function instead. In any case, Tim's woobieness has just increased exponentially.

As for his being a liar, I think he's deliberately trying to suppress memories of all the trauma he's been through that's connected to that hospital. But I do believe that he honestly doesn't remember being Masky.

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Lithp wrote:
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3. I don't see any teleportation...everyone here keeps bringing up teleportation but I just haven't seen it. Jay was running through the tunnel as quick as he could, and with the camera shaking around (and possibly accidentally turning off/on, or even turning off/on because of the Operator's presence), the images probably look a little jolted. That doesn't mean he teleported. If they answer this by saying "teleportation did it", I'm going to be upset with the story (just a little, though). The wall of pipes just seem like the pipes Jay crawled over earlier when getting to the medical records.


I like to assume the natural explanation in Marble Hornets wherever possible. All of this business about summoning Slenderman, siphoning his powers, & the magic properties of the mask just sound...far-fetched to me.

In this case, I am forced to assume it, because I just don't see how else it is logistically possible for Jay to have just...escaped. Even if The Operator just wanted to get him out of the tunnel, he is perfectly capable of--ironically--teleporting him & erasing his memory.

There's also that scene where Jay goes under the pipes, & when he gets out, The Operator is RIGHT THERE. You're telling me it couldn't just pick him up with its super long arms, or step on him, or something?

No, in this case, I think mundane explanations are actually weaker.


Well if mundane isn't your speed here, try this one.

I don't think that there was any teleportation going on (by direct action of the Operator) I'm thinking that whatever is up with that tunnel has altered it so much that it no longer persistently conforms to a given floor-plan. Think: Slendersickness, for a building.

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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:
At 8:40 ish, jay is faced with a wall of pipes. He hesitates, then goes under. It may be all the cuts, but i don't think he faced that particular wall of pipes, maybe he got turned around/teleported? IDK i found it weird


At around 7:40, Jay looks down the way I assume he came, then looks the other way where he leaves.

Maybe he forgot the way he came in, or decided to explore more.

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I would just like to point out that the medicines listed on the form are ones he was already taking at the time of admission. Standard doctor stuff. They want to know what meds you are already on. The alergy line is a separate line.

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Lithp
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I don't think that there was any teleportation going on (by direct action of the Operator) I'm thinking that whatever is up with that tunnel has altered it so much that it no longer persistently conforms to a given floor-plan. Think: Slendersickness, for a building.


Is it weird that I actually consider this more down-to-earth than a teleporting doll?

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MistrPibb wrote:
Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:
At 8:40 ish, jay is faced with a wall of pipes. He hesitates, then goes under. It may be all the cuts, but i don't think he faced that particular wall of pipes, maybe he got turned around/teleported? IDK i found it weird


At around 7:40, Jay looks down the way I assume he came, then looks the other way where he leaves.

Maybe he forgot the way he came in, or decided to explore more.


What it looks like happened, is Jay comes to a point where he can continue forward by climbing over the pipes or turn left, he decides to go left first and about ten feet in he finds the records and the doll at a dead end (or atleast the opening was far too narrow and full of pipes to follow). He turns back then decides to explore the area beyond the pipes. Where upon crazyness happens.
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Lithp wrote:
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I don't think that there was any teleportation going on (by direct action of the Operator) I'm thinking that whatever is up with that tunnel has altered it so much that it no longer persistently conforms to a given floor-plan. Think: Slendersickness, for a building.


Is it weird that I actually consider this more down-to-earth than a teleporting doll?


I like this idea.
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Ok, I apologize for the doll, just going off of what I saw on first viewing. I do like the suggestion that it could be the tunnel that warps and changes, someone earlier mentioned House of Leaves. I've been reading that book and it could be possible that the tunnel is doing the same thing, stretching and changing, which could explain how come Jay was able to get away from the Operator.

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mokie
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twistedpuppet wrote:
I would just like to point out that the medicines listed on the form are ones he was already taking at the time of admission. Standard doctor stuff. They want to know what meds you are already on. The alergy line is a separate line.


Not if Droshi's got the form right--"Medications" is a checkbox under allergies, after latex, contrast dyes and food, and before 'other' and a request for a description of the allergic reaction it causes.

Ye edit: There's a whole section for medication (along with dosage, the timing thereof, etc.), and it's empty (~6:56 in the video). Amoxicillin and codeine are listed as allergies.

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chaos_angel wrote:
I suppose if you subscribe to the tulpa theory and the idea that Tim summoned him/he is a reflection of Tim's fears, it's feasible that the doll belonged to child-Tim and is a focus or even the original "source" of the Operator ("LOOK TO THE ORIGINS?"), and while you don't *need* the doll for him to show up, having it automatically draws him to you, because of the mental "power" or "energy" Tim has associated with it. Sort of like an anchor to a ghost.


This made me think of Robert the Doll (pic) and now I'm even more freaked out...

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Oscar Langley wrote:
chaos_angel wrote:
I suppose if you subscribe to the tulpa theory and the idea that Tim summoned him/he is a reflection of Tim's fears, it's feasible that the doll belonged to child-Tim and is a focus or even the original "source" of the Operator ("LOOK TO THE ORIGINS?"), and while you don't *need* the doll for him to show up, having it automatically draws him to you, because of the mental "power" or "energy" Tim has associated with it. Sort of like an anchor to a ghost.


This made me think of Robert the Doll (pic) and now I'm even more freaked out...


One of my favorite creepy/scary things that exist.I remember the day my mom and I watched a show around Halloween and it was the first time I ever heard about Robert the Doll.I was already scared of dolls to an extent,but Robert and his story amped it up big time.He was the inspiration for "Chucky".

@slendydreaming:I was the one who mentioned House of Leaves" and I also wanna mention a great horror book and movie from the 70's that I just watched again ironically the other day called "Burnt Offerings".The house itself needs people in it to feed off their life energy.It renews itself through them.
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So, I've read a fair bit of this thread, but forgive me if I missed someone bringing up this point already, but what if Hoody didn't leave the message for Jay? What if Hoody meant the message, both the Liar and the medical records for Tim?

Recall, at the time Hoody set that all up, Jay was still lying to Tim. It could be Hoody was actually calling Jay the liar, and hoping Tim would find his medical records and the doll and figure it out from there, especially if the doll has some significance only those two are aware of.

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Just my 2c:

A.) I didn't see any teleportation. Dunno why people keep saying it's there.
B.) I saw a few cuts in the footage early on in the video, but those just seemed to be to be Jay cutting out boring clips of him walking.
C.) Every instance of teleportation up until this point has been a "flawless" transition from room to room. There were no cuts in the footage. If anything I think a cut in the footage =/= teleportation.
D.) It's possible there was some teleporting towards the end when he was running away or whatever, but I just don't see it.


Also, I really like the idea that either Masky wrote the message referring to Tim or vice versa. (ie: My alter-ego is a liar, and can't be trusted.)

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