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[VIDEO] Entry #60
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jimi060
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The doll doesn't attract or repel The Operator, it's used as a warning or an indicator, like "look behing you" or "go this way to stop teleporting". And TTA is continuing this usage of the doll to signify that danger is close.

And i don't think Jay did teleport at all because it's been my theory that Jay can't teleport, but rather The Operator edits the fabric of reality as in the house Jay would have carried on teleporting if he didn't go into the bathroom, which set up his teleportation to the basement to meet TO and when he sleepwalks he was called by TO.

Also the only instances of teleportation we've seen are with doors/doorways, and seeing as there are no doors he couldn't teleport. Flimsy i know, but im just going on what we've seen.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:45 am

AngryDeepground
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Lithp wrote:

Quote:

I don't think that there was any teleportation going on (by direct action of the Operator) I'm thinking that whatever is up with that tunnel has altered it so much that it no longer persistently conforms to a given floor-plan. Think: Slendersickness, for a building.

Is it weird that I actually consider this more down-to-earth than a teleporting doll?

I would buy it, considering what happened at the house from season one, and references to House of Leaves in the slenderverse.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:52 am

pravado
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At 8:21 I think it was, the frame cuts into two and we see two different lightings in two different areas and then it quickly shifts to the second area

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:27 am

EmeraldWind
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AngryDeepground wrote:

Lithp wrote:

Quote:

Is it weird that I actually consider this more down-to-earth than a teleporting doll?

I would buy it, considering what happened at the house from season one, and references to House of Leaves in the slenderverse.

I've always thought of the idea that the OP can bend space in a way. OP's bursts of speed are him compressing the space in front of him and moving through it. Similarly OP may be able to stretch space to make himself invisible by having light particles bypass him.

At the end of 52, Jay didn't get sucked at OP but instead OP compressed the space between them.

Distortions on the camera can be an effect of space being compressed, stretched, or released. The released potential energy created by space being compressed like a spring or stretched like a rubber band and let go could also be the culprit of the Slendersickness.

The OP can also use the ability to change the perceived geometry of an area. But he can't pass through physically solid objects, they are still in his way and require normal maneuvering even in compressed/stretched space. (Which may be why he was wandering around Alex's house in the first entries and not simply going inside via teleport.)

Interestingly, maybe this is how Jay escaped. In season 1, Alex ran from the OP to only have him appear nearby, but also managed to escape. Similarly, Jay escaped from the OP in a similar manner. It is possible that while the OP is compressing space the attacked might be able to use the spacial distortion to their advantage. Basically, within the distortion you can move as fast as the OP. Similarly, the OP can't stretch the area to slow you down because it will cause him to move just as slow. So the Operator attempts to corner you or cut you off using his abilities, but he can't effectively use them at medium range. Short range however is a different story; if you are beyond the event horizon there is no escape.

Alternatively, it can be explained with temporal distortions. Though reversing stretch and compress would be needed if he was bending time. IE: He either compresses time (makes himself faster) to make himself invisible or he stretches space (as explained above). If this is true I wonder is the OP is a Time-bender or a Space-bender. I lean toward space as it explains other things that happen more.

Though I doubt the OP is anywhere near as complicated as I imagine.

He is probably simply a loose-cannon Abomination that doesn't play by the rules. His presence alone is bad for a normal's health and causes electronics to feel just as bad.

On the entry, Jay shouldn't have posted on twitter when he was going. That was a dumb idea. I have a feeling that whoever was above him would not be good news. I think Tim can be eliminated because he would have known where to wait for Jay.

Also as for Tim as a liar. Totheark called Jay out on simple omission before this. Tim seemed to me to be telling the truth, just not all of it. Honestly, Tim even says a couple things in ways that seem to imply what Jay found here, but he wasn't exactly there to compare notes.

I get the feeling that Totheark is trying to make Jay more paranoid. So far this season he has filmed Jay at the Antique Shop (Reminder), threatened Alex (Decay), warned about liars and basically says not to trust anyone and warns he is watching(Session), and then specifically points the finger at Tim (Reference). All these seem to be shots at Jay's trust and peace of mind (in the case of Decay reminding Jay of what happened the last time he trusted). Fuel for paranoia. Is this to make sure Jay trusts nobody or so that Jay will only trust TTA?

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:07 am

aidansean
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pravado wrote:

the first time jay encounters the operator is in return

then entry 23

then entry 40

then entry 46

then entry 52

then 60

the only one he actually remembers is entry 60, although he remembered 40 and 46 at the time

No no no no no! He forgets most of the Entry #60 encounter almost immediately and has only a very sketchy recollection of what happens. From the Entry itself: "I don't know how I made it out of that tunnel alive. Everything after finding the medical documents is a complete blur to me."

Edit: I'm starting to think that he forgot the Entry #46 encounter shortly after it happened too. (He seems completely lost for words when Alex asks him why he broke in when they talk in Entry #47.) If that's the case he'd find himself out of breath near Alex's house with a strange key in his hand and no idea how he got there. Replaying the video on his camera would fill in the gaps, and there would be plenty of time to watch the video before Alex shows up again. When Alex does show up he basically teases Jay about the tape, so obviously on hearing that Jay is going to break in again, because at that point he wants nothing else in the world more than he wants that tape.

Given that the characters act lucidly around the operator, and then forget afterwards I'm inclined to think that some of it might be similar to drug induced amnesia. In that case the brain can store and retrieve short term memories, but nothing makes it into the long term memory until the drug wears off. That could explain short term memory loss when confronted with the operator, but not the retrospective memory loss. It's also a more credible scenario, since we already know it's possible to induce amnesia in this way. (I'm not saying the operator sticks needles in people, just that his presence has the same effect.)

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:57 am
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Foood
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I wouldn't say he forgot the Entry #60 encounter. Everyone who's ever had to run for their life would describe their fleeing as "a complete blur".

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:08 am

twistedpuppet
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mokie wrote:

twistedpuppet wrote:

I would just like to point out that the medicines listed on the form are ones he was already taking at the time of admission. Standard doctor stuff. They want to know what meds you are already on. The alergy line is a separate line.

Not if Droshi's got the form right--"Medications" is a checkbox under allergies, after latex, contrast dyes and food, and before 'other' and a request for a description of the allergic reaction it causes.

Ye edit: There's a whole section for medication (along with dosage, the timing thereof, etc.), and it's empty (~6:56 in the video). Amoxicillin and codeine are listed as allergies.

I'm doing frame grabs tonight of both forms. From what I was looking at last night, it appeared that one part was for medications he's already taking, and then there was an allergy line written at the end. It doesn't even mention what drug causes the hives. It just has the allergy box checked. For the most part, it's a fairly standard admission form.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:02 am

KTsteve
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twistedpuppet wrote:

mokie wrote:

twistedpuppet wrote:

We already got frame grabs, and a filled out form back on page 19...

amoxicillan and Lodeine cause Tim to break out in hives. He is presently not taking any medication, hence the N/A in the medication box.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:10 am

onetruepurple
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KTsteve wrote:

Lodeine

Codeine [/sperg]

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:42 am

KTsteve
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onetruepurple wrote:

KTsteve wrote:

Lodeine

Codeine [/sperg]

Lol thanks, I was wondering why I had never heard of lodeine before.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:59 am

Gholateg
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I like to think OP moves like a Banshee in ME3. Slow determinator walk, with the ability to "blink" around when he wants to move faster.

that or OP has mastered "Droopy-fu" the ability to be under any rock or behind any street post like the lovable beagle..

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:37 pm

aidansean
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Foood wrote:

I wouldn't say he forgot the Entry #60 encounter. Everyone who's ever had to run for their life would describe their fleeing as "a complete blur".

Well I suppose it could be hyperbole. Whenever faced with two roughly equally probable possibilities in Marble Hornets I always go for the scarier option. It makes things more fun and it's probably closer to what the makers intended.

I call it Kralie's razor. (Only joking, but that is an awesome name if you say it our loud.)

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:17 pm

SaferSaturnX
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jimi060 wrote:

Whoa, that made me think of anything (forgive me if someone's already brought up this point and I just haven't seen it), but I was always under the assumption that when Jay when back to Brian's house and encountered the Slendy doll for the first time and saw Masky, that it was Masky who put the doll there. What if that wasn't the case? What if Hoody was there all along, putting the Slendy doll in place, warning Jay about or leading Jay to Masky? Maybe a bit farfetched, but still worth considering.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:52 pm

SaferSaturnX
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Droshi wrote:

SaferSaturnX wrote:

So here's what I get out of the entry/reading everyone's posts:

1. It makes the most sense to me that the footsteps were Alex. Although it's been suggested, since TTA is trying to kill Alex or get Alex killed, I really doubt Alex is dead at the moment. We've established that both Alex and Tim know about Jay's Twitter posts, so they can both stalk him pretty much whenever. I believe the footsteps were Alex because the Operator always seems to follow him around. Alex probably tried to scare Jay out of the tunnel using the Operator. Maybe he didn't want Jay to see the medical records (implying that Alex too knows more than he's letting on). If that's the case, he and Slendy got there too late.

2. It's pretty clear to me that Hoody set all of this up (implying heavily that Hoody is TTA, or a part of TTA in any case). We saw Hoody hanging around the hospital and go through the tunnel in the earlier entry, so "follow me" could only really refer to Hoody. Because Hoody was the one leading Jay, it's pretty obvious that Tim is the liar he's talking about. The medical records from 1995 indicate that Tim had been having bouts of "insomnia, headaches, possible delusions", which means he's probably been seeing Slendy for that long. His lie of omission by not telling Jay or anyone else about this makes him a liar.

3. I don't see any teleportation...everyone here keeps bringing up teleportation but I just haven't seen it. Jay was running through the tunnel as quick as he could, and with the camera shaking around (and possibly accidentally turning off/on, or even turning off/on because of the Operator's presence), the images probably look a little jolted. That doesn't mean he teleported. If they answer this by saying "teleportation did it", I'm going to be upset with the story (just a little, though). The wall of pipes just seem like the pipes Jay crawled over earlier when getting to the medical records.

If you didn't read the wall of text, here's the sum up:
- Footsteps were Alex leading Slendy to Jay
- Hoody is TTA and set this whole thing up for Jay
- Tim is the liar by omitting to tell anyone about his past with Slendy
- NOBODY TELEPORTS

Two quick things - The medical form says "possible disorder", which I think implies behavioral changes and not so much hallucinations. However, you would still be right if his behavioral changes were because of Slendy.

As for the teleportation thing, I still think it could go either way. It could be the camera cutting out, but judging by what we can see, the run back to the exit of the tunnel was MUCH shorter in distance than the trip in. He made a few turns down long corridors. When he's escaping, he basically runs to the end of the tunnel, climbs under some pipes (which appear to be different than the ones the medical records were near - I don't see how he could climb over the second pipe wall), and is out. He also has memory loss from the moment Slendy shows up until the end of the entry, which fits in with the other teleporting incidents.

Part of me is skeptical, though, because we don't hear the familiar high pitched whine we heard the first time.

Thanks for the correction. I guess I saw the "d" and filled in the rest in my head, lol.

I reevaluate my NOBODY TELEPORTS" assertion, actually. I can see that Slendy himself must manifest in some way, and that constitutes a form of teleportation. What made me think of this was that Slendy appears behind Jay when we saw no other entrance to the tunnel. Unless he passed Jay in the tunnel (pretty unlikely), the only way he could have appeared behind Jay was via teleportation. But I still find it unlikely that he teleported Jay. Otherwise, why wouldn't he have just teleported Jay to Alex and something about a rock.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:57 pm

Ithilwen22
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SaferSaturnX wrote:

But I still find it unlikely that he teleported Jay. Otherwise, why wouldn't he have just teleported Jay to Alex and something about a rock.

I just got this amazing image of Alex sitting in his new Jay-proof place drinking tea when suddenly, out of the blue, Jay and a large rock manifest in his living room. The Operator points at the rock, points at Jay, then stalks out.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:29 pm

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