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[OT/OOG?]Critiques
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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi
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[OT/OOG?]Critiques
Any critiques about MH go here from now on

For all critiques about the plot of MH, the entries, TTA responses, and any theories/red herrings.

Seriously though, anyone can, and should, post their opinions here.

No rage, people here are entitled to their opinions. RAEG Thread -> http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34398
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:57 pm
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pravado
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Flyleaf this was really unnecessary and you're making a big deal out of nothing.

I'm posting them in the entry topics I don't care if people whine about it (i only counted 3 people even complaining and it's the same people who complain about everything i post soooo), even a mod said it was fine to post it there

I guess I'll copy and paste them here for a better shot at the trio reading it, but I'm the only one who critiques shit anyway so why make a whole topic for little old me? Because sit there and read my critiques rather than ignoring them when you know they "ruin the mood" for you?

There's a freedom of speech and I shouldn't be restricted to where I can post my opinions about an ongoing topic

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:19 pm
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Yuki
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Considering your critiques--well-intentioned as they are--have a tendency to derail the threads completely, I think a critique thread is a good idea. Especially because posts that derail threads could potentially be called trolling.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:27 pm
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pravado
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Yuki wrote:
Considering your critiques--well-intentioned as they are--have a tendency to derail the threads completely, I think a critique thread is a good idea. Especially because posts that derail threads could potentially be called trolling.


My posts are not what derails the threads. People's opinions of my posts are. That is not my fault. The act of trolling is intentionally pissing someone off in a very forward manner, something I am not doing.

Main entry threads don't ever get derailed. For every one person that starts talking about my post, 20+ other posts are there to discuss the entry.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:10 pm
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Zebez
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This thread pretty much makes things more disorganized. I mean, a critique about an entry should go into the entry page because it has to do directly with the entry. This forum isn't really considered in game, so I don't see any problem with acknowledging the quality of the entries on the entry discussion. Also, Marble Hornets is barely an ARG so it's not like we have to be in character either. Put a spoiler on it or whatever if it's so annoying, but anything like discussing the flow of the plot can stay within the game or become out of game too and since that's what we discuss well then I think critique is fine there.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:36 pm
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Lithp
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I don't know, I kind of like this thread idea. Most of the time I'm in a thread, I feel like "I want to say something, but this doesn't seem like the right place."

I'm not saying all criticisms should have to go into one thread, but I like the idea of a "review" thread as it were, because I can see a lot of things that could use a home going in here.

>Criticisms of the series as a whole.
>Criticisms of commonly held theories.
>Any sort of entry criticism one doesn't intend to start a debate with.

That sort of thing.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:15 pm
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MisterFeline
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Now begins my feeble attempts to keep this thread from becoming completely off track of its original purpose.

TO needs to do more than just stand there.
Tim is the best actor, making Jay look quite mediocre in some scenes (i.e. completely nonchalant in #60 about walking down a maintenance tunnel).
I don't like how Hoody was introduced in entry #41. We have almost no idea where any of the characters are of even who they are. How do we solve this? ANOTHER MASKED VIGILANTY.
There needs to be another entry or two like #19.5, just to catch up the audience and fill in gaps between entries. It would only take about an hour to make at most.

That should be all for now.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:57 pm
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Lithp
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Now begins my feeble attempts to keep this thread from becoming completely off track of its original purpose.


To be honest, I feel like this thread is more of a prototype, & should be replaced with a more comprehensive thread with a better introduction once more people are on-board.

But, for now, I'll go with it.

One of the major issues I've had is with Totheark. Ostensibly, his purpose is to give coded messages that are clues to future events. But have we ever seen any of his codes definitively point to anything that happens? I'm not saying he should give free answers, but it would be nice to see something he says resolved every now & again.

Whether it's something relatively recent like "This is your last birthday," or among the first clues he ever left like "He is The Operator," we still have NO IDEA what he is babbling about.

Of course, "The Operator" & "The Ark" are Arc Words, so it makes sense that they shouldn't be resolved right away. But, for instance, we could have gotten a clue towards Tim being the man in the mask, or Alex being an antagonist.

It would make the videos feel less like filler, if you ask me.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:11 pm
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DHawk314
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I don't like Hoody, so I'm just gonna bitch about him for a few paragraphs. Seriously, it seems like he was invented entirely because they wanted Jay to drop the camera in that one entry, and they normally would have had Masky give it back to him, but Masky's leg was broken so that wouldn't have made any sense.

I mean really. Masky being totheark was hinted at constantly. I had a whole list of reasons it worked. Plus, it was simple. Tim=Masky=totheark, everything solved, except what is Masky's motivation.

Also, it clutters up the whole Tim/Masky split personality thing they're going for this season. Masky could just be Tim's alternate personality who makes totheark videos by himself in his basement because he's crazy. But now Hoody's here. So how does that work, Hoody has meetings with Tim's crazy alternate personality about how to make YouTube videos more creepy? It makes absolutely no sense unless you're really trying to not care about it.

And if Hoody and Masky are buds, what's Hoody's relationship with Tim when he isn't Masky? Well apparently Hoody doesn't like him from all the "Liar" stuff everywhere on his medical records. Plus, is Hoody an alternate personality himself, or is he just crazy?

Who even IS Hoody, we literally have absolutely no hints for that, except "Oh it could be Brian, that would seem fitting, assuming Brian's still somehow alive." All of it just seems WAY overly confusing, and frankly I think the whole story would be more elegant if Hoody didn't exist and totheark was just Masky, which I'd be willing to bet was what was originally intended. I mean, Troy said he originally didn't have a background for totheark. But, at least as far back as when they first came up with a background, I bet "Multiple users" wasn't involved.

TL;DR: Hoody's stupid, totheark should just be Timasky, the plot would be simpler.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:59 pm
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Lithp
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Wait, wasn't the "I think Totheark is multiple people" tweet made before Hoody was introduced?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:35 am
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Toadbert
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I miss the old youtube channel layout. The dark gray and black complimented the videos nicely IMO. It kind of set the mood when I first found the videos here in the dim basement and gave each entry a grim and disturbing feeling. It complimented Entry ###### very well.

But I guess this could just be nostalgia. I dunno. Onto something Troy and co. actually have control over now I guess.

When the TTA videos started using that pixelly VCR font (I think of it as VCR font because I'm pretty sure enttry 37 is where it started being used) I was skeptical of it. I kind of found the random fonts where some were blurrey and some were a really small size a bit more unsettling. It gave the videos their own little bit of diversity. Now they have a conformed font and it seems a little bit limited. But the videos lately have been doing much more diverse things so it kind of balances out for me.

I don't really have any critiques that are really major. Anything I mentioned isn't very important in my eyes. If I had to pick something out though, I think Season 3 tapes that are supposed to be from 2006 should've been filmed with a lower quality camera to match the Season 1 tapes more.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:48 am
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DHawk314
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Lithp wrote:
Wait, wasn't the "I think Totheark is multiple people" tweet made before Hoody was introduced?


No.

EDIT: Proof.

Hoody's first appearance, Entry #41: May 25th 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-d5ibaU4PM&feature=plcp


Jay's Multiple totheark Tweet: July 8th 2011 https://twitter.com/marblehornets/status/89371832247005184

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:51 am
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Lithp
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I have a new critique.

I can't figure out when the fuck anything happens.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:56 am
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DHawk314
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Lithp wrote:
I have a new critique.

I can't figure out when the fuck anything happens.


Basically:

MH is filmed - Jay looks through Alex's MH tapes - Jay goes to Brian's house a lot - Jay gets a tape of Alex and Amy being attacked - Alex is a huge dick to Jay for seven months, also Jay meets Jessica - Jay forgets seven months due to tackling the Operator or something - Jay lies to Jessica in a hotel a lot - Jay looks through footage of the seven months - Jay finds Tim in Rosswood Park town - Jay looks through Tim's MH tapes - Tim punches Jay in the face.

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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi
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This thread is actually for all the people who are afraid of getting bitched at by others because of some ppls reactions to prav's critiques, and for Trosephim to see our opinions. And it was made...... 15-20 minutes after i woke up, so the header will be changed.

Edit: Changed the header, and now we have a slightly less disorganized thread. (I hope) Critiques only from this post on?(Pretty, pretty please with a Masky on top?)

pravado wrote:
Flyleaf this was really unnecessary and you're making a big deal out of nothing.

I'm posting them in the entry topics I don't care if people whine about it (i only counted 3 people even complaining and it's the same people who complain about everything i post soooo), even a mod said it was fine to post it there

I guess I'll copy and paste them here for a better shot at the trio reading it, but I'm the only one who critiques shit anyway so why make a whole topic for little old me? Because sit there and read my critiques rather than ignoring them when you know they "ruin the mood" for you?

There's a freedom of speech and I shouldn't be restricted to where I can post my opinions about an ongoing topic

Its Wolfie ;D

Only a few people complain, but I know some people would prefer to not read critiques whilst speculating(me being one of them).

Hey look, this thread is making others critique Very Happy

True, but its getting on most peoples nerves.
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