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[SPEC] Thoughts on bees, fleas, SP's pleas
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Nova
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 		[SPEC] Thoughts on bees, fleas, SP's pleas
Some idle mind-wandering to pass the time. Cool

So, the latest Herzog wavs are as close as we can get at this point to confirmation that the Flea came from him (that, or some blatant and unfair misdirection - I prefer to assume the former). That means the early hints about a Covenant virus, which we took to mean the Flea, were incorrect.

So, I'm going to run with the idea that the entire 'Covenant virus' thing was nothing more than a red herring.

Herzog slips the Flea in just before the accident. The artifact gets activated by McKaskill, the Apocalypso crashes out of slipstream, etc etc etc. Melissa, badly damaged, ends up with the Flea. It's manipulating her, trying to get her to reveal the truth to Herzog. It successfully infiltrates her, modifies her behaviour, and Melissa mistakenly assumes the SP is the "virus" that is causing her own behavioural oddities.

So, the Flea ultimately succeeds in revealing the truth and saving the world, but the price paid is that Melissa essentially kills the part of herself that is Yasmine. The Flea did nothing explicit or malicious that led to the SP's death - its very nature was what led to her death.

It's a tragic loss, in the Shakespearian sense - a flaw in Melissa's character led to the inevitable loss of SP, just as a flaw in Jan's character led inexorably to the loss of her father. Now, because of the SP's death, Melissa believes the virus is gone and she will continue seeking, beholding, and revealing the truth. Something she has to do to save the world.

Pick it apart if you like, trout it if you want. I'm tired and it probably doesn't make any sense anyway. Very Happy
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 		Do you really think that SP is dead?

On her last contactme.html, she was very confident that she could take the Queen. Almost provacatively confident.

Oh, did anyone besides me send both Dana and SP a plan on how to get out of this mess?

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Do you really think that SP is dead?


Perhaps, perhaps not. I'm working on the assumption that she is for this. Very Happy
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 		I keep thinking that this could have been avoided. between danas blog and the text labels, should we have seen some link, like the book the quotes came from, that showed what we were heading towards? hindsight seems 20/20, if its looking in the right direction.

its still just.. doubleplus ungood
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 		Sorry, I started a new "What if?" type thread here.

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 		Nova, I'll second your spec... you put into words what I was thinking Smile
I'll expand it by saying that the Flea's whole purpose was successful - if you think about, we now have, in the future, a band of people trying to get into Chawla base to find out the Truth of the Artifact. The only thing is there are two ways Herzog could get the truth - directly through Rani/her troupe, as they infiltrate building 41 - but also through the spying and recording that Melissa and the Flea are doing. Perhaps the latter is a fallback plan? if somehow the team doesn't make it to report in to herzog, at least all the activity was transmitted and recorded?

hm...
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 		The only thing I can't understand is that if it was the Flea who was manipulating Melissa, which is what it really seems like, then why did she block the Subject 5 files from Durga? It seemed like the Flea believed that was part of his mission, since the "truth" was in Chawla Base, and the Subject 5 files contained information on the "truth". So why would it have become one of Melissa's mission parameters to hide the "truth" from Durga, shouldn't the Flea have changed that?

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 		Because, as I have often tried to point out, the Flea does not have full control over Melissa. In fact i dont think that he ever had any real power over her. She belives him to be her SPDR. A helpfull process that has been telling her things. Yes he has some ability to hide himself and information from her and whisper in her ear to give her suggestions but not full control. Flea may want to reveal the truth but Melissa dosent so she wont. If the Flea had contol of Melissa he wouldnt have had to hide Sleeping Princess from her nor would he have let Melissa burn her out.

Plainly, the Pious Flea does not and never has had control of Melissa.
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 		Could this whole arg be a time loop? What if the event that sent Melissa into the past was not the crash of the Apochalipso but the attempt to stop the arifact? Melissa doesn't want Durga (herself) to go in to building 41!
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 		That would be funny if that happened.

"Censored it, we have to do the Censored thing AGAIN?!"
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 		One thing I could see the flea doing, now that he's known to be a human program/AI, would be to save the Princess at the last second - with his flair for dramatics inherited by his programmer (Herzog). Hiding her somewhere else - somewhere... safer. Honey.html, perhaps? She could hide within all of the !flea there.
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Aelith wrote:
Could this whole arg be a time loop? What if the event that sent Melissa into the past was not the crash of the Apochalipso but the attempt to stop the arifact? Melissa doesn't want Durga (herself) to go in to building 41!


I was wondering the same thing... if the crash only resulted in Durga being dumped to Jersey - and the artifact's purpose is to send communications through time and space.

In this case, the actions of Jersey and gang, plugging Dirga into the Navy base system, only result in (once the countdown timer goes off) sending Dirga back about 400 years into the past. Only our systems can't handle that level of processing, so the AI had to break into seperate components to survive -- like the operating system (Yasmine's CMI), the Operator (military training system), the maintenance system (SPDR) and herzog's spy program (the Pious Flea).

Only this doesn't really answer (at all) what Melissa's goals might be, or why she would eradicate the SP process -- except, of course, that some of us told her that the SP was the spy process, and her military training would therefore be compelled to destroy it.

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Only this doesn't really answer (at all) what Melissa's goals might be, or why she would eradicate the SP process -- except, of course, that some of us told her that the SP was the spy process, and her military training would therefore be compelled to destroy it.


Yes! we don't know what the true consequences of fooling around with the artifact are and does Melissa know what she is doing?

Sunday we find out.
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thebruce wrote:
Nova, I'll second your spec... you put into words what I was thinking Smile


Cheers Very Happy

It's certainly one possibility.

It does seem awfully convenient that the SP's death occured at pretty much the exact same time as we found out that the Flea is actually working for humanity and not the Covenant.

It could be that this was supposed to be our epiphany - we find out the Flea is actually a good guy, just as the SP gets killed. OH! we're supposed to say, the guy we thought was bad was actually good, and the princess we thought was good was actually bad. What a plot twist!

Possibilities, possibilities..
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