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[VIDEO] Entry #60.5
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Blank_Zero
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aidansean wrote:
Or he's had experience with redacted documents before...


I doubt this. Given some of the information that was "redacted" was not really considered "sensitive", I have a feeling it was a writing decision to try and give it some weight.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:10 pm
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sweetgums
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 		From what we learned from this documents, I think that the surgery was either related to his seizures or his broken leg, so I asked a doctor friend of mine about seizure-related surgeries, and she told me that (because she's not a neurosurgeon) that the only instance she knows of being able to "cure" seizures through surgery is if the patient, Tim in this case, had a brain tumor that caused them, and so had surgery to remove it. However, judging by entry #18 this doesn't seem to be the case (if said surgery took place before this entry).

I also asked her about surgeries regarding broken extremities, and she said that there are instances in which a bone can be broken in several parts, so surgery would be needed to "put them back together". In Tim's case, who was assaulted with a block of cement, this might be what actually happened; though if it did, the date (January 10th) confuses me. Why did he wait so long to go to a hospital? Didn't entry #35 happen on April?

Personally I think the surgery is leg-related, mainly because it's much more common; and because we can't be sure if said seizures are TO related or not.

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Starkley
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 		The info on the Delayed Therapy Communication Form:

Delayed Therapy Communication Form

Timothy W

Person Documenting Delay: REDACTED
Routine: REDACTED
Stat: REDACTED
Person Responding to Delay: REDACTED
Date: 7/8/02 Time (Military Time): 15:10
Name of Procedure: Monthly Session
Date Ordered: REDACTED

Tracking Codes
Patient/Family Variance Codes
P4 - Patient/Family Uncooperative

Delay Description: REDACTED
Intervention: REDACTED
*Intervention: REDACTED

Source: http://www.hospital-forms.com/272.pdf
_________


The Brief Operative Progress Note is more difficult to find, but since there's practically no information on it, here's a screenshot:



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Blank_Zero
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 		I think Jan 10 is important given that all other dates remain intact.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:20 pm
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slendydreaming
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 		Yeah, whatever happened January 10 probably ties into his becoming Masky, I'm guessing. Nice that they tied in the seizures with what happened when Masky attacked Alex at the abandoned house, and I'm wondering if the reason why Tim wasn't cooperating with his doctors was because they were giving him medicine that left him vulnerable to OP.

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xxmintt
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 		Hold on. I read somewhere in here earlier something about Alex and Tim and the Operator.

I just clarified things for myself. If Alex and Tim were friends WAAAY back, like, oh say, in 1991 AT ALEX'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, *ahem*, Alex might actually be the cause of this. Because these charts and papers say 1995... Which is 4 years later. If Alex's slender-stalking began in 1991, by the time he got to school and made friends with Tim, he was probably pretty used to it, and therefore, was easily able to pass on Slendy to Tim. Maybe not pass on, but you know, sharing is caring.

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Starkley
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 		If the operation wasn't brain surgery, I would assume it took place as the Season started up, in the lull between December and February. Jan 10 fits nicely in there. Would make sense for Tim to decide enough is enough after waking up with a broken leg and potentially in the middle of nowhere, and go for it. Of course, contradicting this is the therapy/background he would need beforehand...but maybe years upon years of medical documents cover that. Then again, money...

Anyway, it would fit nicely with some of the stuff Tim says, like "personal stuff a few months ago" and "getting better" and so on. I don't think it could have taken place in 2010 or 2011 because too much was going on during those times. If anything would keep the mask on the hook, it would be surgery

Also, to the above, Tim would have been 3. Alex was like 6? The people at the birthday party all looked to be similar ages, and Tim has said he only knew Alex through Brian, but that could be a lie...

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pravado
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Blank_Zero wrote:
Nothing really surprising in this video. Things I did notice kind of off-hand though:

1. No mention of Tim's Father whatsoever.

2. Falling and Seizures only seen in #18 really.

3. Jan 10, XXXX is probably important, but the entire page being redacted is a huge red flag for me.

4. Ran away to Rosswood Park at some point in his life. Not sure for how long though.


One of the things I find interesting is the fact that the term "Redacted" is used frequently.

Redaction is typically used for hiding sensitive information in documents, usually names, dates, or important information. So the fact that Jay has these records indicates there is a larger portion of information he doesn't know yet.

To sum it up, the information he got is basically useless junk that was ok to share. The juicy stuff got blanked out. So someone is still hiding information from Jay, but is teasing him by saying, "Here you go, you can know this much for now."

OOG
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Personally, I think the entirety of the last two entries has been a big Red Herring in terms of plot, direction, etc. I can understand why Pravado is ticked off right now. We've just been given a big, fat "fuck you", in terms of information.

And for those of you wanting to argue over the use of the term "redacted", I'd like to point out that the term is also strongly associated with documents with sensitive information, especially those documents used by the military or Information agencies. All documents must be gone over and have their sensitive info redacted before being released to the public.


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Basically that, yeah. I feel like they're being lazy with writing out the story for this season and are just dragging along one idea that they came up with into 10+ entries rather than forming a few new ideas that they could implement throughout the 10+ entries.The story feels incredibly basic at this point and I was hoping for something a little more intricate with all the awesomeness we were dealt around mid-season 2. Every time a new entry comes out I feel like they're just undoing what they built up in the previous entry, not really like a red herring but you know what i mean. (ex. if tim is lying about things, then entry 59 is actually not important to the story, but that also means entries 53/54, whatever else has tim talking to jay in, is also not important because it's not truthful information - in which case they would have made better deleted scenes than actual entries). and while someone can say "but it is important for tims character" - i just don't see it that way. I get that it takes a while to tell Tim's story, but it's something they should have done throughout season 2, or at the very least not relied on it to be the entire plot this late in the game. it doesn't feel like a slenderman series anymore, it feels like a psychological breakdown of one of the side characters.

and crossing out the important information really felt like a slap in the face. the one time we might find out something that will tell us well... ANYTHING (we've literally gotten no answers to anything worthwhile besides the reveal of masky, everything else has just brought up more questions than answers) hoody crosses the information out so they have something to reveal later on (and to me, that says that they don't have much to reveal overall if that's the case, so they're saving what they do have, and suddenly my expectations drop)

i would have probably been less peeved if this video was attached to entry #60. and i know i'm being hypocritical since i've told people to be patient, but two weeks is entirely too long to film some of these entries. not really entitled to anything and i understand that, but please guys, put more effort into this series. stop stalling. i get you're not experts on film making or any of that, but you have to realize that waiting two weeks to find out that tim was more than likely involved with the operator before alex (even though this was basically told to us in entry 55) would infuriate anyone who has given a shit about the story for the past 3 years

this isn't me saying i hate the series, it's me saying i'm dissapointed with how the quality of pacing and storytelling has dipped since season 2. i'm all for this huge reveal with tim, but i'm not satisfied with it being the main plot for this long. so much more can be done with the story they have built up including things with alex and jessica


and the next time someone bitches at me for being negative, i'm not putting my stuff in tags anymore. the whole reason i'm putting them in tags is so people stop with that garbage.

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BlackMoon
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 		Dam, I'm late.

Didn't some guy in the last entry thread said that he was hoping for entry 60.5? xD

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Yuki
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 		Huh. Not a ton of substance here, but this means that not only have both Alex and Tim have had to deal with The Operator since childhood, but it seems that Tim was drawn to Rosswood.

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Redacted? Jay reads SCP! I think most people (not interested in this genre) would use blacked-out or something.


Redacted is definitely a commonly-used word in journalism and the like.

I do feel it's weird they took so long to post it.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:06 pm
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 		I don't know, I find it 'd be odder if he didn't say redacted, but that's just me.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:25 pm
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Starkley
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pravado wrote:

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dat snip spoiler snip u kno


and the next time someone bitches at me for being negative, i'm not putting my stuff in tags anymore. the whole reason i'm putting them in tags is so people stop with that garbage.


I really hope someone bitches at you for being negative, because I liked reading those posts untagged. Sad

I agree that 60.5 took waaay too long to come out, especially since editing-wise it couldn't have taken that much time at all to make. There's no real effects, it's not a long take (as I can tell, the video for each document is spliced together), and there's no change in scene or anything, really. Add that in with the absolutely exhausted tone of Jay's monologue throughout the video (which is understandable for IG reasons, but still, damn. Crack a snarky joke or something whydon'tcha), and this video is kind of a deflating balloon. The surgery thing doesn't do much except give some credit to double-personality theories.

The only thing I'm really happy about having arrived in this Entry is all the extraneous medical data that I can use to shoot down completely out-of-left-field theories that talk about Chibi-Tim and Chibi-Alex making fwends.

Tim wasn't engaging in social activity, according to these medical reports. (H) Doubt he was visiting Alex's birthday parties.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:28 pm
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 		It says 1/10/____
It could have been an immigrant working there that filled it out, making it 1st of October.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:31 pm
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pravado wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
Nothing really surprising in this video. Things I did notice kind of off-hand though:

1. No mention of Tim's Father whatsoever.

2. Falling and Seizures only seen in #18 really.

3. Jan 10, XXXX is probably important, but the entire page being redacted is a huge red flag for me.

4. Ran away to Rosswood Park at some point in his life. Not sure for how long though.


One of the things I find interesting is the fact that the term "Redacted" is used frequently.

Redaction is typically used for hiding sensitive information in documents, usually names, dates, or important information. So the fact that Jay has these records indicates there is a larger portion of information he doesn't know yet.

To sum it up, the information he got is basically useless junk that was ok to share. The juicy stuff got blanked out. So someone is still hiding information from Jay, but is teasing him by saying, "Here you go, you can know this much for now."

OOG
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Personally, I think the entirety of the last two entries has been a big Red Herring in terms of plot, direction, etc. I can understand why Pravado is ticked off right now. We've just been given a big, fat "fuck you", in terms of information.

And for those of you wanting to argue over the use of the term "redacted", I'd like to point out that the term is also strongly associated with documents with sensitive information, especially those documents used by the military or Information agencies. All documents must be gone over and have their sensitive info redacted before being released to the public.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Basically that, yeah. I feel like they're being lazy with writing out the story for this season and are just dragging along one idea that they came up with into 10+ entries rather than forming a few new ideas that they could implement throughout the 10+ entries.The story feels incredibly basic at this point and I was hoping for something a little more intricate with all the awesomeness we were dealt around mid-season 2. Every time a new entry comes out I feel like they're just undoing what they built up in the previous entry, not really like a red herring but you know what i mean. (ex. if tim is lying about things, then entry 59 is actually not important to the story, but that also means entries 53/54, whatever else has tim talking to jay in, is also not important because it's not truthful information - in which case they would have made better deleted scenes than actual entries). and while someone can say "but it is important for tims character" - i just don't see it that way. I get that it takes a while to tell Tim's story, but it's something they should have done throughout season 2, or at the very least not relied on it to be the entire plot this late in the game. it doesn't feel like a slenderman series anymore, it feels like a psychological breakdown of one of the side characters.

and crossing out the important information really felt like a slap in the face. the one time we might find out something that will tell us well... ANYTHING (we've literally gotten no answers to anything worthwhile besides the reveal of masky, everything else has just brought up more questions than answers) hoody crosses the information out so they have something to reveal later on (and to me, that says that they don't have much to reveal overall if that's the case, so they're saving what they do have, and suddenly my expectations drop)

i would have probably been less peeved if this video was attached to entry #60. and i know i'm being hypocritical since i've told people to be patient, but two weeks is entirely too long to film some of these entries. not really entitled to anything and i understand that, but please guys, put more effort into this series. stop stalling. i get you're not experts on film making or any of that, but you have to realize that waiting two weeks to find out that tim was more than likely involved with the operator before alex (even though this was basically told to us in entry 55) would infuriate anyone who has given a shit about the story for the past 3 years

this isn't me saying i hate the series, it's me saying i'm dissapointed with how the quality of pacing and storytelling has dipped since season 2. i'm all for this huge reveal with tim, but i'm not satisfied with it being the main plot for this long. so much more can be done with the story they have built up including things with alex and jessica


and the next time someone bitches at me for being negative, i'm not putting my stuff in tags anymore. the whole reason i'm putting them in tags is so people stop with that garbage.


I see Douchey McNitpick is at full force tonight.

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 		We could have already presumed that Jay reads SCP: He's the puppet master of a horror ARG. Rolling Eyes

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