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AgentParsec
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Paul_Atreides wrote:
Just played the latest version today, and it was fantastic. I got to 5/8 pages on my first run before Slender Man grabbed me from behind. Once or twice the whole screen had a sudden burst of loud static that made me jump, I applaud you for that.

If you wanted to change and make the tentacles render sooner and more noticeable, that would work as well, I feel like the only reason I saw them was because I was looking, but I could be wrong. Excellent work, sir.


Good idea, I'll make the tentacles start a little sooner for the static level.

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xemnasvii
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 		What happens when you get all the pages?
Also, a few suggestions:
1: Add hidden items that can help in the game, yet wear out, so as to not lower the difficulty TOO much.
2:Some interactive environments, I.E. Doors, windows, lights, etc. Stuff you can activate.

These aren't like, OMG ADD DIS OR ELSE I NO PLA, it's just a friendly suggestion, and I'd understand if you didn't want to add them.

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KTsteve
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 		Still a fantastic game! Came back to check it out again after seeing you updated. Whatever you did to "modified the enemies movement slightly" made him even more horrifying. Maybe I just have bad luck though.

Some kind of visibility when your flashlight is off would be a great improvement. Kind've the same level of visibility you get when you're in the bath house with the light out. You can make out basic shapes, but not exactly what it is.

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Lumine
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 		Call me a bit insulted, but:

http://www.slendergame.com/index.php?page=legend

Doesn't even give half of the real series credit, and even refers to marble hornets as a mockumentary.

EDIT: Victor Surge isn't even credited with creating him? What the fuck is this shit???

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Knolly
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 		Very excited to try out this game. I need to wait until I can block out some time to put some headphones on and immerse myself rather than my usual computer situation of people bothering me every 30 seconds.

At the suggestion/encouragement of someone on Reddit, I'll video myself playing it since one or two of you might get a kick out of seeing Logan from JAF playing it, haha.

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SignerJ
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 		Who made that Slendergame website? I really hope that it wasn't the creator of Slender -- I would lose respect for him.

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evanx275h
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Lumine wrote:
Call me a bit insulted, but:

http://www.slendergame.com/index.php?page=legend

Doesn't even give half of the real series credit, and even refers to marble hornets as a mockumentary.


Honestly. I have to complain about the lack of credit to actual Slenderverse creators, as well as the mention of Victor Surge himself, as the website incorrectly states that he "continued to improve upon the myth", whereas he created the myth. It was the blog/vlog series, creepypastas, and photoshopped images that came AFTER Surge's original invention of Slendy. This page is just incorrect on multiple levels and should be edited accordingly. And if the creator of Slender made this web page, I too would have a decrease in respect; If you like these mythos enough to make a game about it, you should probably get your facts straight beforehand.
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12th
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 		I'm hoping that Agent Parsec (the game creator) wasn't the site designer. This does look possibly like an official site for the game, as the creating production company is cited and linked... Dunno.

While it wouldn't drop my opinion of him really (it's a fun game getting a lot of attention, and he's doing it all for free), I would have to say that he knows there's a large community of people who would be perfectly glad to write ad copy for him just for the asking.

Also, Marble Hornets (at least season one) could reasonably be considered a mockumentary - but only very vaguely so. As a whole, MH is a detective story with "new weird" elements.

EDIT: RAGE OFF EVERYONE.
The "Legend" part is literally Cut/pasted from the KYM page. Parsec didn't write the copy or make the historical mistakes. Those are from the entry at Know Your Meme.

Chilll on the hate for Parsec.
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 		I didn't "hate on Parsec" at all. In fact, I highly doubted that he created the website, considering that he first posted his game on Unfiction, and so on.

But, yes, how do I contact the creators of that site? Either I'll give them some well-researched mail that tells them how incorrect they are, or I'll volunteer to re-write it myself.

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AgentParsec
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 		I didn't make the website, and I've requested that they take it down.

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AgentParsec
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 		Does anyobe have a definite answer about the legality of profiting from a work including the Slender Man? Obviously, Marble Hornets did it, but I don't know if that means anyone could, or if permission and/or royalties are required to the original creator. I would LIKE to make some sort of professional version of the game for Steam or XBLA, but not unless I'm 100% certain I won't get into legal trouble for it.

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t3hkender
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AgentParsec wrote:
Does anyobe have a definite answer about the legality of profiting from a work including the Slender Man? Obviously, Marble Hornets did it, but I don't know if that means anyone could, or if permission and/or royalties are required to the original creator. I would LIKE to make some sort of professional version of the game for Steam or XBLA, but not unless I'm 100% certain I won't get into legal trouble for it.


As far as I know nobody has claimed legal rights to the character and I don't see how anyone could stake a claim as the "owner" of the Slender Man. He's grown and evolved so much that I think now even good ol' Vic Surge would have a hard time claiming it.

Certain elements, like the Operator symbol, might be grey area, but we can see that Entity is already using it.

I would, however, say that having any characters (other than Slendy) appear (Jay, Alex, Masky, etc.) would be stepping on some toes.

EDIT: Also, girlfriend who is a paralegal explained to me that you can't copyright a character or a title, only a complete work (such as a story, a song, a video, and so on). Someone could trademark Slender Man, but I highly doubt that anyone has gone through that process. She only took the one intellectual property class, so she might be off, but internet research seems to agree with her.

Last night I made a post on the Entity thread, and I think some of the arguments apply here:

t3hkender wrote:
I'm interested. It's hard to tell from the trailers whether Entity or Hylo will be good or bad. I think that most people's reservations about them (and indeed any Slender Man movie) are that they must, by being in movie format, deviate from the way of storytelling that Slender Fans are used to: The ARG (or, in the case of Marble Hornets, a longer, drawn-out, "real time" storytelling).

To those saying "oh, they're just ripping off Marble Hornets, they even stole the Operator symbol" please keep in mind that the Slender Man mythos (yeah, yeah, Operator isn't Slender Man, blah blah blah) is a collective storytelling. Things like the video tears, audio static, and the Operator symbol aren't being stolen from Marble Hornets. Marble Hornets created a lot of those elements, yes, but they have since largely become standard parts of the Slender Man character. Especially in the case of attributes that originated from (or were popularized by) the Big Three Slender Vlogs, I think it's fair to call those elements central parts of the collective Mythos.

As far as I can tell, both stories are original (at least, as original as cliche horror film concepts can be) so even if elements like the Slender Man's attributes or the Operator symbol are used, to me they're so much a part of the character that I would feel weird if they weren't there.

That being said, I do hope that the movie doesn't try to define what the Operator symbol 'does' or 'represents'. That wouldn't be fair to the Marble Hornets crew, because while I do feel like it's a part of the Slenderverse that anyone should feel free to use, I do feel like they own the right to define it, if they ever choose to.

TLDR: Everyone's bawwing because it's not in ARG format, and all of that Marble Hornets stuff is part of the mythos they're drawing from so don't feel like they're stealing it.

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12th
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AgentParsec wrote:
I didn't make the website, and I've requested that they take it down.


The more I thought about it, the less likely it seemed to be authentic.

As for legal rights - Marble Hornets can profit on their creation due to that:

1. They are explicit about saying their creation is not "Slender Man". It is the Operator. I'm sure that if push came to shove, they could demonstrate in a court of law the distinction between the two (e.g. origins, behavior, "characterization", and distinctive features).
2. They are pretty much the original vlog on the scene, regardless of being inspired by the SA thread. They are the first ones to put a POV detective vlog together with the character. This sorta gives them some mild evidentary weight.
3. MH does not use any copyrighted material - all of their footage and sound clips are likely either creative commons or public domain. This is important stuff, and is why we're not likely to see DVDs of EMH or Tribe Twelve (although it would be easier for Tribe Twelve to take out copyrighted material).


As for your game? Well... Googling "slender man creative commons" doesn't bring much of anything up. I'm pretty sure that Victor Serge has allowed the basic concept to lapse into the public domain. There are several stylistic conceits that you have in "slender" which are typical of the oeuvre (static/distortion, brief tentacles), but also some specifically suggestive of other works (the operator symbol which I believe shows up on the pages, and the Kralie-like scraws on the pages).

If you were to make a for-profit version of this, I would recommend stripping out the explicit MH nods but otherwise... I don't think there's any explicit copyright on the "slender man" concept. Honestly there's no way to find out unless someone sues someone else for copyright infringement and a judge ruled on it.

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t3hkender wrote:
Someone could trademark Slender Man, but I highly doubt that anyone has gone through that process.


Yes, this is a good point. I should have mentioned that it would be much easier for Marble Hornets to trademark elements of their work (visual tears, Masky [who pretty much is a defacto trademark of the MH Brand], the Operator symbol [more difficult because, as noted somewhere, the symbol has been used extensively for other purposes for literally centuries]), which is mostly where you're likely to run into trouble. Not so much as copyright violation, but infringing on trademarks. Now, I'm pretty sure that Trosephim haven't actually come out and said "don't use our trademarks bitches", but I'm sure that if they did - they could probably win over a judge (at least in summary judgement).
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AgentParsec
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 		Thanks, this is all extremely useful information. I think I will pursue it then, and if an element I'm using is questionable, I can always contact Joseph/Troy and check it with them first.

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t3hkender
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12th wrote:
t3hkender wrote:
Someone could trademark Slender Man, but I highly doubt that anyone has gone through that process.


Yes, this is a good point. I should have mentioned that it would be much easier for Marble Hornets to trademark elements of their work (visual tears, Masky [who pretty much is a defacto trademark of the MH Brand], the Operator symbol [more difficult because, as noted somewhere, the symbol has been used extensively for other purposes for literally centuries]), which is mostly where you're likely to run into trouble. Not so much as copyright violation, but infringing on trademarks. Now, I'm pretty sure that Trosephim haven't actually come out and said "don't use our trademarks bitches", but I'm sure that if they did - they could probably win over a judge (at least in summary judgement).


Also, from my understanding, you actually have to register trademarks--it's not just an automatic thing like copyrighting is. You have to pay what seems to be a few hundred dollars per item that you with to trademark, and it's even more, I think, if you then want to use it for commercial purposes.
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