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[pravado]

Well there's a simpler explanation: that Tim doesn't want anyone to die

perhaps alex was never meant to catch a glimpse of him and now that his tapes + jay's entries have exposed him, he wanted to make alex forget about him (by encountering him and having his mind wiped)

[Starkley]

Tim (the character) is dumb. If anything, at best, he might be an extraordinarily good liar. But, from his Masky exploits, charging two guys armed with only a pocketknife, trying to surprise a guy with a gun, charging at a guy in a dark room and not accounting for your own illnesses...well, Tim isn't the best strategist. Nothing he's done has seemed to work.

I was tinkering with an idea that had two main points:

A) If you're going to hide your identity, don't wear your shoes in the video you're recording. If you want to REALLY screw with viewers, wear two shoes that aren't yours. If you're dumb, and want to give the game away, make one of those shoes yours.

I would pick the second one if I was a mastermind.

I think chronologically the order was #56, #57, #51. Tim's already there when Brian gets attacked and just because Alex says someone's "out" vaguely doesn't mean that they've been Slenderized - sometimes it's true. Also, I'm pretty sure Tim has both of his shoes in Entry #56, as does Alex. So if the shoes were switched before that, it wouldn't make sense.

B) So I think it's more likely that a fourth player that wasn't Tim was overseeing the assault on Brian in #51. The only person demonstrably smart enough to think of something like wearing two other people's shoes in a video would be Hoody. He's definitely strongly connected with the Totheark channel, probably even running it directly, given every entry from Season 2 onwards, and both Totheark and Hoody love phrases like "always watching." Furthermore, Totheark has been the master mover of events as far as Jay's concerned; he's constantly pointing to Jay where to go next. "Reference" shows the maintenance tunnels, "Version" shows the red tower, "Signal" tells Jay to come back to the house from #16. So if Totheark and Hoody are one and the same, it makes sense that Hoody would be manipulative enough to think of wearing both Alex and Tim's shoes. But this is a rambling that might be completely off the mark. Ignore this even, because it's something I haven't really been able to get out of my head. The implication of this thought process is that Seth was attacked first and immediately started getting to stalking Alex around, but that's suspect, so yeah.


However, if Hoody/Totheark (separately or not) figured out that Alex wasn't the one responsible for the attacks, but Tim was, then why does "Decay" show so much open anger at Alex?

[pravado]

i don't think entry 57 confirms that that's why tim was in the annex for brians meeting

the time just doesn't add up. alex hits him during the day time, he wakes up at night, but then he's in there the next day with brian? kind of sketchy if you ask me

in my theory, tim is there because he's following alex after alex hit him (at that point the feud between the two was mutual on both ends) and is waiting there for brian after he gets alex

i guess the real reason i thought of it is because they're making tim out to be a bad guy. you can't really be partially good and partially bad in a series like this. i think it'd be a huge reveal to have alex be the innocent one only killing bruce thinking he's working with tim or something, and tim be the real bad guy of the whole series

shit it even ties into season 1. jay asks tim about brian, tim thinks jay knows something so he tries to get him slendernapped to make him forget about everything

entry 59 is explained bc tim now knows that jay is documenting all of this and there's no way to make him forget about all of it

[DHawk314]

[pravado]

[DHawk314]

[Starkley]

[pravado]

He tries to murder them because Jay keeps digging deeper into his investigation and alex doesn't want him to because it became a threat to him (maskys weren't around before jay came around, they found out where he lived and tried to kill him, etc). After seeing entry 51, they both think Alex is a bad guy and nothing he says will convince them otherwise. In addition, Alex may think that Jay is the reason the operator is showing up, or even that Jay is the reason he showed up originally. I don't have enough to work with to go any further, but the paranoia you would get from someone breaking into your house, people in masks showing up to your doorstep and almost killing you, etc, will lead anyone to want to kill the person who started all of it.

And it does explain tta's anger towards alex. He thinks Alex was the cause of everything until he sees entry 51 (which was uploaded well over a year after jay took the tape). Or hell, maybe TTA still hasn't realized that alex is the innocent one and is still mad at him. Doesn't really change anything.

It just strikes me as weird that they're going to build alex up to be the villain, then reveal that tim was going through slendersickness as a kid and showed up at rosswood and all this stuff that is pretty much saying he is the reason the operator exists. The odds of him and alex being friends as kids is slim to none, they don't seem to have that kind of relationship in any entry.



jay had a reason to lie. tim broke into his house and tackled him and shit and played it off like he never did any of that (so technically tim lied first by not having a reaction to jay showing up)

we still don't know if alex lied or not, and in my theory he never lied

tim lied to cover his own ass about his history with the operator, which is way more severe than jay's lie

[Starkley]

[DHawk314]

[pravado]

I was literally about to address decay

It's the only hole in my theory (the last birthday thing.) The rest of the video can easily be attributed to Tim simply because of the footage from entry 16, where we know tim was not too long after. Maybe he's mad at alex for giving the tapes to jay in the first place which is what set off this chain reaction in the present day, but tim is responsible for things that happened before he gave jay the tapes?

My point is that if the operator was around tim when he was young, he would be going through what alex was going through at an early age. If the operator does "assume control" of someone or influence them to do things, then tim would have surely done so before alex, no? I refuse to believe that the operator would leave tim alone for most of his life judging by the fact that he shows up in alex's house in 26 three years after alex moves away.


To denounce the theory of the operator attaching to one person at a time: he showed up to jay in season 1 in entry 23: why would he suddenly stop getting on jays case and start following alex again by entry 26? The two had no interaction. This must mean that the operator isn't done with tim either, or whoever totheark is for that matter.


The whole thing with alex and tim not being friends as kids (judging by their interactions as young adults) to me says that tim was around him far longer than alex, or at least at a significantly earlier date.


What's tearing me up is that in season 1 footage we never see Alex get taken by the operator. Before entry 43 occurs, he never goes through slendy sickness that we see. I don't remember Alex coughing very much either. Something must have happened to him during filming that started all of this. And to me, it has to be Tim's doing.In fact, Tim is the only one who seems incredibly sick in season 1. If Alex was the first to start sacrificing people, wouldn't Tim be showing those symptoms AFTER being sacrificed rather than before? Tim had to have known about his sacrifice because he had the footage on hand in entry 54.

let me put this in perspective: alex assaults tim - tim is slendernapped - entry 20 occurs where tim is shown being incredibly sick. if you want to believe alex is the cause of all of this then that's the only sequence of events i can think of. at some point alex would have had to sacrifice tim to get him to have that kind of sickness.

If tim had his footage from the entry where he got whacked, he must have also had the camera and saw what happened. Why agree to go film with alex? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. We know Tim was around the operator before Alex was. We know that Alex was fine for most of season 1 until something happens and causes the operator to start following him. Why don't we ever see Alex get taken? Because Alex kept the tape for himself as a reminder, kind of like how hoody brings jays camera back to his car because he wants jay to remember the events that took place.

And something worth mentioning: The blood in the sink in season 1 is cleaned up the next time Jay gets to the house. Tim covering his tracks once again? If totheark knows that Tim is lying, it probably means Tim is lying. In which case, he probably hand picked footage to show Jay to make himself look innocent. If Alex wanted Jay's help knowing that Jay was putting up the videos, why didn't Tim? What would cause a human to reject help with a problem that's been bothering them for years?

They really need to fill in the blanks so we can form a definitive timeline. There are entirely too many gaps in season 1's footage.

Again sorry if this makes little sense or if there ar esentences missing or w/e, i dont have time to reread it at the moment. i'll revise it later

[FalloutGhoul]

[Starkley]

Super long post.

[pravado]

Yeah, he's more going to shoot her because she knows too much. Jay most likely told Jessica what was going down and Alex knows that. Even if Jay stops the investigation as a result of death, she might not. Which is why he tells Jay to bring her with him in the first place. He's not a mindless killing machine, he has reasons for what he does.

And yeah, it's not concrete or anything but it's something to think about. Why would Alex just put on someone elses shoe and then keep the tape

[DHawk314]