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[Starkley]

Poor prav is gonna die from eye overload hahahahaha

[pravado]

Tim had to have been slendersick beforehand. Meaning he had direct contact with the operator similar to how alex did in entry 43. It's more than likely that the blood in the sink in the house from season 1 is his. What I'm getting at is that Tim is the one who brought the operator into the grand scheme of things, even if by accident. He's had the longest exposure to it. He would be the one sacrificing people, not Alex. Alex was a normal person according to Jay, never showed any slendersickness or any of that outside of a handful of entries. The emotions he sends out in entry 9 more than confirms that he wasn't sacrificing people all along.

Tim was in a mental institution. In entries 23 and earlier chronologically, every time Tim and Jay are in the same scene, Jay doesn't remember said event taking place.

Here's Tim's appearances from pre 2009 and shortly after Jay brings up MH in 2009, and my theories




Entry 20: Tim shows up incredibly sick, Jay doesn't remember it happening. Sacrificing of Jay and Alex and whoever the cameraperson is.

Entry 55: Tim talks to a doctor about his sickness

Entry 17: Jay doesn't remember it happening. Sacrifice of Jay and Alex.

Entry 54: Tim walks right past the Operator, who is inside of his house. Sacrifice of Alex and Brian.

Entry 51: Another sacrifice of Alex and Brian.

Entry 56/57: Alex figures it out and takes Tim here and beats him.


Entry 15: His hands fidget when the operator is mentioned (idc what trosephim say, his hands fidget way more). I can just feel the lies coming off of Tim rewatching this.

Entry 18: Tackles Jay, jay doesn't remember it happening. Sacrifice of Jay.

Entry 19: Is in Jays room shortly before Jay goes missing and ends up near the operator. Jay doesn't remember it happening. Sacrifice of Jay.

Entry 23: Shows up and Jay teleports to the basement of doom. Sacrifice of Jay. Jay doesn't remember it happening.

Entry 59: Tim is angry because he doesn't realize Jay knows as much as he lets on.

Entry 58: Despite the operator not appearing, Jay felt sick

Entry 60: If theory holds true, walking around upstairs. Knew Jay would go back to that tunnel.

Certain entries don't make Tim out to be evil, but a boatload of them do. How many entries do we see of Alex where people are taken? Two? One can counter with "Alex appears in all of those early entries too" - but how do you explain 2009 events when Alex wasn't there and Tim was and Jay forgot?

Maybe something changed in Alex during the end of entry 43, but my theory still stands for pre 2009.

Plus If Tim knew about the operator beforehand, wouldn't he have google'd marble hornets after entry 53?

And Jay said that room was the room the fire started in, who'se to say Tim doesn't just go there to seek shelter or some shit because it reminds him of the initial incident?

Willing to bet Tim burned down the hospital as a result of something relating to the operator, and did the same thing to jay's apartment.

I'm not arguing, merely bringing up possibilities

[DHawk314]

I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. I get why you believe it, I get that you think Tim bringing the Operator to everyone signifies him as bad, and now they're calling him a liar which reinforces that, and people have memory loss around him. Although, I don't understand why you think they had to be "Sacrificed" every time they had memory loss. It was my understanding that memory loss is just something that happens when Slender Man is around, which he is in almost all the entries you mentioned where people have memory loss. But I'd have to assume that tons of stuff they've built up so far is leading to that twist. And it would be a twist, Season 2 did completely build up Alex as a bad guy, and Season 3 is building up Tim as a good guy more with each new entry. So I don't see it. That's just not been their writing style, and Joseph has blatantly said he hates that writing style. Anyway, I say we just agree to disagree. Eventually we'll find out anyway, so one of us will end up eating our hats. So, I say we just wait and see.

[Starkley]

Tim wasn't really around for Entry #52 when Jay encountered The Operator in his room - TO was just "there." Time-wise, it would have been impossible for Tim to catch up and do anything, and for him to know where they were going. The Operator just followed them of its own volition, and caused memory loss. EDIT: Tim found them later, but I doubt that would have been too hard to do without advance knowledge - if Alex can locate Jay on a whim, I'm sure Tim can too if he wants to.

Furthermore, in Entry #60, The Operator follows Jay through the maintenance tunnel, without a visible sighting of Tim. Now, you can argue that the footsteps Jay heard above him were Tim, but we also know that The Operator can appear wherever it wants and cause its effects on its own because of Entries like #52, which also resulted in memory-loss.

That's why I don't think these instances can really be blamed on Tim. I'm much more inclined to believe that The Operator had intrinsic dealings with Alex - conscious or mind-controlled, whatever - and was also "operating" on its own terms while not following Alex around. We can't ascribe memory loss to people, only to The Operator. Distortion effects are weirder and I don't really know how to figure them out.

There's also no solid motive. Tim has an Operator-sidekick and he has it feed on the same few people over and over and over again? Why all the blood, especially in places like the boiler room? Someone needs to be actively doing all of this, and if Tim wanted to kill people, he would have had plenty of opportunities to do it, rather than repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Memory wiping doesn't work the twentieth time; it's clear it would be time to do something a little more extreme by then, if Tim really had something to hide. Really, if Jay was dead, the perp's problems would be over. Fears of a trail of evidence would be groundless; The Operator is practically a walking body cleanup.

Alex, on the other hand, usually takes care of people once, and then that's the end of them - as far as he knows, at least. He can afford the luxury of killing people because The Operator will clean up his mess; his recklessness in how he takes care of such things imply that he has some awareness of this, if he's not completely psychopathic.

Because Alex actually takes the effort to kill Jay, and Tim even goes out of his way to stop it, it makes more sense for Alex to be the "evil" one, as far as causing problems for everyone goes. Tim's saving Jay created SO MANY PROBLEMS for him, if your theory holds true. Tim's dumb, but not that dumb. He could have easily let Alex kill Jay, then attacked Alex, and had TO clean things up.

Also, what, Tim just goes home having left behind such a massive loose end and decides to lead a normal life? He would know that Jay still has the tapes and would ultimately discover his identity. It seems much more likely that something happened to him to memory-wipe him. And TO knows where the hotel is.

It also makes the most sense for the one who has the most experience with the Operator to be the one with the most experience in fighting or avoiding it. It doesn't necessarily mean Tim just succumbed to everything and became a perma-Operator-slave. This is just pure spec thought though.

Tim is also rarely seen, if ever, in the same shot with The Operator. Alex has a bunch of shots. #17 is one of the few times where TO appears with him.

Just, it seems there are so many reasons why Tim can't be the mastermind. Including weirdness like "Decay."

I will agree that Tim most likely brought TO into things, especially with recent evidence. Especially because he kind of met the cast coming from a more distant way. I doubt it was purposeful though, rather, I think TO just took advantage of the situation.

[EmeraldWind]

Prav, I like your theory a bit. The only wrinkle I see is that Jay can remember being there in Entry 54. Though I think it may be the exception that proves the rule as Jay leaves the scene and never goes to Tim's.

My only real problem is what sacrificing to the OP entails. I've had it in my head for a while now that the OP can "reanimate" the recently deceased.

IE: After Alex attacks Tim, it is completely silent until after the OP does his thing. Then Tim starts coughing with distortion.

The sickness could be sort of side-effects of the process. I'm not exactly sure what the OP gets out of it though, if I am right. Plus, there's Bruce. Why did he take Bruce? Did he take Bruce? Why is Bruce the only one we saw him take?

The OP might stalk people until they commit suicide or murder someone. And then raises them and has more control over them or something. I recently was wondering about the bullet shell found in the house. I wondered if whoever fired it, was committing suicide. Then I suddenly remembered the entry where The OP enters Alex's room and Alex gets up bloody.

I'm not to attached to this theory really. It just pops in my head when I see some of the entries. I don't really think it is the case either. It doesn't make enough sense to be a valid theory. But food for thought. Does anyone else have a theory they are pretty sure must be wrong, but like to think about it anyway?

[aidansean]

Just adding two thoughts in response to pravado's post. (Nice theory BTW.)

Suppose Alex had a spare camera for behind the scenes filming, or backup for catching B-roll. If that's the case then Tim would have to make sure he controlled it, then any sightings of the operator would be on his camera, or on Alex's. He can delete any footage of the operator on his camera that features the operator but not Alex. Any footage on Alex's camera would necessarily have Alex present at the time. That means that with some clever editing, Tim can very easily "prove" that the operator only appears around Alex. We may see a repeat of Entry #50 with Tim's extra tapes.

Second point: my friend pointed out that in Entry #9 Alex gets angry at Seth for bringing his dog along, as this may be because he knows that dogs can detect the operator from a distance (Entry #2). Maybe this was Alex trying to sacrifice people and being foiled by Seth's dog.

[DHawk314]

[FalloutGhoul]

Does anyone else here think we're getting off-topic in this thread?
Are we still discussing about what Jay got from Entry #60?

[Starkley]

No one ever uses the Season 3 discussion thread

And it kind of feels like there isn't much to discuss about it. "Tim had Slendysickness as a kid," is kind of all that it says. But Prav's theory is kind of based on that fact too, since that's a good reason to say "Tim is the case of all this." So not too off-topic.

Also unknown surgery that doesn't seem to fit in with the MH timeline at any point.

[DHawk314]

As far as I can tell, people just kinda use the most recent entry as the "Miscellaneous theories" thread. Speaking of which I have a theory about the ark. In Exit, totheark asks at the very end bit "WHEREISTHEARK". So obviously totheark doesn't know where it is, but he seems to expect Jay to somehow know. So then I got thinking about how Alex said Jay and Tim were gone even though they're obviously still alive, and how Jay doesn't remember some of his interaction with the movie, and how Tim doesn't remember getting led to the abandoned hospital. And then I got to thinking, what if Jay found some stuff out during the movie's production, and he talked to totheark about it, whoever that is. Specifically, what if Jay found out about the ark, and told totheark about it. But before Jay told totheark where it was, Jay was mind wiped by the Operator. Maybe Alex led Jay to him. Regardless, now Jay didn't know anything, but totheark still wanted to get to the ark. So now he's trying to get Jay to remember so he can lead him there.

[Starkley]

Well, Totheark does seem very committed to leading Jay in certain directions, and, because Totheark appears capable of taking advantage of Jay's trances (enttry #37 is a good example of this, and also things like Jay randomly appearing near the red tower - where we know Totheark wanted Jay to be towards the end of Season 1 from his uploads saying "come back" and so on), it would only make sense that Totheark is trying to lead Jay in some direction towards furthering his own goals.

Still, Jay started searching for Alex and looking into this Operator stuff on his own. Totheark only started uploading videos after Jay uploaded #9. So either Totheark didn't know about Jay's existence until then (if he knew Jay existed I'm sure he would have tried to contact Jay much earlier, given how urgent all this Operator stuff would have been at the time it was happening), or Totheark didn't see a need to get the information through Jay until that Entry. Because of that, I don't think Totheark was ever told anything about "the ark" by Jay, because Totheark would have had access to Jay much earlier than Entry #9.

[Lithp]

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[Zebez]

[Gante]

Just watched 60.5 again, and noticed that Tim's headaches were aggrevated by talking. Could it be that this was TO's way of preventing him from telling anybody about what he experienced in Rosswood Park?