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[SPEC] Entry #29
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Foood
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Starkley wrote:
the blood was fresh, so it's more likely that someone came and filmed it shortly after it happened


Here's the thing though. When Alex killed "Bruce" and the Operator made him disappear, there was only a tiny bit of blood left behind, definitely not a puddle, and the shirt was gone. In Entry #29, there's a huge puddle of blood, and the shirt is there. There may be other things in the tunnel as well (the body?), but it's too dark to see.

As I see it, either Slendy teleports people/bodies back after a certain amount of time/after something happens (like Alex "moving" or "activating" the ark, idk), or #29 is supposed to take place in some weird parallel universe that exists outside of space and time, and everything Slendy teleports ends up here.


aidansean wrote:
My theory is that Alex recorded this himself. He wasn't completely lucid during Entry #49 and shortly afterwards he had vague memories of what happened. He went back to see if what he remembered was real or not and found the evidence, then got his memory wiped by the operator.


As much as I want to believe this, it doesn't explain how "noentry" ended up on Jay's computer, seperate from all footage on Alex's hard drive.

aidansean wrote:
(Some people suggested that it held the gun, but if that's the case then why didn't Alex just shoot Bruce? At such short range he would be unlikely to miss.)


Now THIS got me thinking...

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Maybe they intended for Alex to shoot "Bruce", originally? It would explain why he brought the satchel with him in those two entries (48/49) and not during any other times he goes to Rosswood Park.

Also, I noticed something in #29 that could suggest they originally wanted "Bruce" to get shot. Towards the front of the tunnel, right where Bruce was standing, there's a smaller puddle of blood that's separate from the rest. Maybe Alex originally shot him right there, and then carried his body further into the tunnel so it wouldn't be seen? Otherwise, I'm assuming that the rainwater washed some of the blood towards the front of the tunnel.



The only reason why I think Jay shot the footage after he tackled Slendy, is because that's the only time when someone is using two cameras. But hopefully there will be a better answer in store for us.

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Foood wrote:
aidansean wrote:
My theory is that Alex recorded this himself. He wasn't completely lucid during Entry #49 and shortly afterwards he had vague memories of what happened. He went back to see if what he remembered was real or not and found the evidence, then got his memory wiped by the operator.


As much as I want to believe this, it doesn't explain how "noentry" ended up on Jay's computer, seperate from all footage on Alex's hard drive.


Maybe totheark hacked it off of Alex's computer and hacked it into Jay's computer? That seems like something he'd do to me.

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Foood
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Yeah, that does sound pretty TTA-esque.

Still, I hope we get a more thorough explanation for Entry #29 soon. They've done a good job doubling down on explaining stuff this season.

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I still think 29 is a continuity error and that they won't go back to it, but that's just me

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pravado wrote:
I still think 29 is a continuity error and that they won't go back to it, but that's just me


I also do not think it will be explained.

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Foood wrote:
aidansean wrote:
My theory is that Alex recorded this himself. He wasn't completely lucid during Entry #49 and shortly afterwards he had vague memories of what happened. He went back to see if what he remembered was real or not and found the evidence, then got his memory wiped by the operator.


As much as I want to believe this, it doesn't explain how "noentry" ended up on Jay's computer, seperate from all footage on Alex's hard drive.


Oohh, for some reason I hadn't thought that bit through. For this theory to hold up we would have to be sure that a) the last thing Alex filmed on the chestcam was the footage from Entry #49 and b) he didn't upload the contents of the chestcam and then wipe its memory. (For b) it could be the case that he uploads the footage, but doesn't wipe the memory.)

In the Entries we can be pretty sure that Entry #49 is the last time Alex used the chestcam, but there's no way to be sure that he didn't film something else afterwards. Looking back through the Entries there's definitely one evening between Entry #49 and Entry #50, and in Entry #50 Jay points out that Alex is no longer wearing his chestcam. It's possible that after Entry #49 Alex used the chestcam once more to film Entry #29, and then never use it again, and never bothered to wipe the memory.

In a related note, on rewatching Entry #49 I noticed that some fingers on Alex's left hand twitch at 2:11, so he was under the influence of the operator. This has probably already been pointed out on the Entry #49 thread ages ago, but it's the first time I noticed it, and it plays into the idea that he's wearing the chestcam to know what he was up to when he's not lucid.

Okay, to bring it back to what happens when Jay gets the chestcam: he steals it from Alex's car in Entry #52 and then flees to the hotel. (When he takes the chestcam it's in a different orientation to how it was in Entry #50, so Alex has either moved it about, or he's been driving pretty fast. Also, what are those poles in Alex's car? Is he camping out in the woods or something?) He tells Jessica about the tapes, but not the chestcam. When he's putting things in the safe, he thinks carefully about each object. He knows he can't watch all the tapes just yet, so they go in right away. He's takes a second or so to consider the hard drive, and then puts that in (my thinking here is that the footage on the hard drive is much easier to access, but he figures he still doesn't have time to go through it just yet), and then he considers the chestcam and decides to keep it out because he wants to see what is on it immediately. He has the opportunity to tell Jessica about the chestcam, and he doesn't. He has the opportunity to put it in the safe where she can get to it, and he doesn't. He then puts the satchel in the trunk of his car, presumably the last place anyone would look. (Would it not fit in the safe?) Anyone who breaks into his hotel room will not see the tapes, the hard drive or the satchel.

Speculation bit: He uploads the contents of the memory card to his laptop and calls it "noentry" to remind himself not to show it to anyone. He doesn't film himself downloading the contents of the chestcam though, as if he doesn't want a record of that happening. And if/when Jay sleeps in his car again he'll be sleeping on top of the satchel, so nobody can connect him to the theft of the satchel without getting rid of him first.

If all this is true, then Alex still has another camera somewhere, and it has some interesting footage on it. It could be some more "I'm innocent!" footage like we saw from Season 1. Speaking of cameras, Jay loses the chestcam in Entry #52. Maybe Alex will get them both again!

Finally, if Jay filmed Entry #29 then he'd probably have the copy of the footage from the handycam that he can match up to the chestcam. His handycam is still working in Entry #27, and he does his best to synchronize the footage from both cameras when he can. (See 1:15 of Entry 27 for a mundane example.)

Well that's about all the "evidence" I can find to support this bit of speculation at the moment. Not conclusive, but not bad. I'm not militant about the idea, just putting some pieces together.

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pravado wrote:
I still think 29 is a continuity error and that they won't go back to it, but that's just me


I hate to agree, but... I agree. But the guys can't seriously have overlooked this, right? I can't imagine some people on some corner of the internet haven't asked one of them about 29 and where it fits.

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It's kind of hard to ignore because it forwarded the plot, making Jay try to find the trail it was on. It was also referred back to sometime at a later entry. The one when Jay found Alex sitting in the tunnel and ran away, I think.

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pravado
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Yeah but they backed themselves into a corner with it

In order for them to explain it they'd have to basically say that Jay's handheld camera warped into his hand, and that he was warped here in entry 52s end and that time didn't exist in this entry because it's daylight out and had to happen very shortly after the entry where bruce was killed because of the fresh blood (the day after was entry 27 and jay clearly didn't go there that day, and we saw his journey in entry 28 during the day plus it was raining then)

so without introducing time travel, it can't be jay, and if they introduce time travel than they're going to run their series into the ground

the only other explanation is that alex took the video shortly after killing bruce, but why even bother making the entry. plus, there was a shirt there, and there was no shirt there when bruce was warped away, so that's another problem (that they overlooked? because 49 or 50 or w/e it was came out way after 29)

I've personally never seen them answer any questions thrown at them for entry 29 and even in the dvd commentary they kind of just ramble over it without talking about it

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Toadbert
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Alex filming it seems most likely to me. It was his chest cam at the time. Why the shirt was there always bugged me too. Any reason I could give for it would just be wild speculation.

The theory that TTA somehow stole the footage from Alex and hid it on Jay's laptop to try and lead him there just seems like the simplest and probably only answer.

If they don't acknowledge it in the commentary then it does seem likely that they're just going to leave it up in the air.

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Or it's a reveal that they're trying to avoid giving away.

But I'm not really sure what the issue is.

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I'm under the impression that, since Season 2 was originally going to be the last season, there was going to be some more important information revealed at the end of the seven months. Entry #29 would've fit somewhere along that timeline. But since they decided to do another season, we got a watered-down ending to the seven months and nowhere for Entry #29 to go.

But Troseph, if you're reading this, PLEASE give us some sort of official explanation for it. Even if it's a cop-out one. Just something so it can be put to rest.

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Quote:
I'm under the impression that, since Season 2 was originally going to be the last season, there was going to be some more important information revealed at the end of the seven months. Entry #29 would've fit somewhere along that timeline. But since they decided to do another season, we got a watered-down ending to the seven months and nowhere for Entry #29 to go.

But Troseph, if you're reading this, PLEASE give us some sort of official explanation for it. Even if it's a cop-out one. Just something so it can be put to rest.


A wizard did it! (Ah, classic Simpsons...) (Kidding, everyone Smile)

I'm sure that there will be an explanation or there will be a hint of one and it's just a thread from season two that will be resolved this season. We can't get all the answers too early....

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Here's a thought that's just as difficult to reconcile as the rest. Maybe the operator kidnapped Alex in the night. (Alex thought ahead to strap a chestcam on while he slept, and somehow strapped the handycam to his hand with the strap. Whatever.) The operator chases Alex through the woods to the tunnel where Alex sees the bloody shirt, and then the operator standing at the end of the tunnel. This could be the operator's messed up way of telling Alex what he wants him to do. That would sort of explain why Alex is so worked up about Jay not following him that day.

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aidansean wrote:
Here's a thought that's just as difficult to reconcile as the rest. Maybe the operator kidnapped Alex in the night. (Alex thought ahead to strap a chestcam on while he slept, and somehow strapped the handycam to his hand with the strap. Whatever.) The operator chases Alex through the woods to the tunnel where Alex sees the bloody shirt, and then the operator standing at the end of the tunnel. This could be the operator's messed up way of telling Alex what he wants him to do. That would sort of explain why Alex is so worked up about Jay not following him that day.


I actually really like this theory, namely for the fact that the Operator is guiding Alex to tell him what he wants done. And judging by Alex's freaked out reaction here (not to mention his "I told you not to follow me" at Bruce and his genuine look of regret when he pulls a gun on Jay & Jessica) I don't think Alex is truly evil. Okay, maybe a LITTLE evil. But I really think he is being forced to do these terrible things to the cast. He doesn't really WANT to, but its better than whatever alternative awaits him should he refuse.

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