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What is it about the Operator that really freaks you out?
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DHawk314
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pravado wrote:
I don't care about an origin story nor do I really wanna know how he came to be on this earth. I just want to know his motive


See, I don't see why this is necessary either. They didn't invent the character. They "Made it their own," but it's hardly an original character. It's still definitely Slender Man. And Slender Man has always been, since before Marble Hornets even existed, something that drives people insane, stalks people, makes people do horrible things to each other, and ultimately causes harm to people. Why is Marble Hornets responsible for explaining why he does any of those things, anymore than anyone else who does things based on The Slender Man Mythos? Because they changed his name? I don't agree.

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Look at my avatar, and you will know why I find the Operator scary.

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DHawk314 wrote:
pravado wrote:
I don't care about an origin story nor do I really wanna know how he came to be on this earth. I just want to know his motive
Why is Marble Hornets responsible for explaining why he does any of those things, anymore than anyone else who does things based on The Slender Man Mythos? Because they changed his name? I don't agree.


Because then the film would just be random inexplicable chaos, which is kind of lazy storytelling, in my opinion.

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DHawk314
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Starkley wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
pravado wrote:
I don't care about an origin story nor do I really wanna know how he came to be on this earth. I just want to know his motive
Why is Marble Hornets responsible for explaining why he does any of those things, anymore than anyone else who does things based on The Slender Man Mythos? Because they changed his name? I don't agree.


Because then the film would just be random inexplicable chaos, which is kind of lazy storytelling, in my opinion.


I don't agree. Why is Marble Hornets considered lazy for not explaining the Operator's origins? I didn't think Just Another Fool was lazy just because they didn't explain Slender Man's motives, I loved Just Another Fool. There's tons of other series about Slender Man. He's an internet phenomenon. I don't expect every Slender Man series to explain Slender Man's motives, the guy who made Slender Man didn't explain his motives. Why put the burden on Marble Hornets? They didn't invent him, they're just the most popular series about him. Why does that make them responsible for explaining him, unlike every other series?

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I'm not saying they're responsible, I'm saying that for my standard of being a good story, which MH aspires to, especially with the recent improvements in character development and actual backstory, TO should have a motive. You can be great horror without having Slenderman have a motive; that's fine, it's working off of primal fear. But I just think that if MH wants to be a good film, and not just horror, TO should have some kind of motive/reason to exist. It's just kind of lame/too much of a suspension of disbelief to have these characters be as specifically and extensively stalked and manipulated as we've seen the MH crew be by TO, and not have there be any motive whatsoever for it.

I guess there's the story and character development that allows for them to show their development through their responses to the stress and fear, but that's been done before. In any case, MH can do whatever they want, and Slenderman will still be scary. I just think it would be better if they went the extra mile.

And none of this changes the fact that it would still be random inexplicable chaos if there wasn't a motive.

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I've currently got my own Slenderman blog going on and my character(aka me) is attempting to research Slendy and try to figure out its motives and such, but IMO I think one of the scariest things is the fact that it's so new and yet so much has been done with the "legend", I have looked in other books about ghosts and haunted places to see if there's anything similar but there's nothing. Rather than being reassuring, that just makes it more scary, I think.

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Just Another Fool (JAF) DID explain Slenderman's origin. The idea was that there were only 9 "truly conscious people" in existence, & Slenderman's purpose was to murder them so that the 9 could be "reset" as new people.

But the difference between Marble Hornets (MH) & JAF was that JAF was about escaping from a monster that clearly wanted nothing more than to murder you. MH is about solving the mystery behind what happened to the MH cast. And part of that is what The Operator did to them & why.

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I have looked in other books about ghosts and haunted places to see if there's anything similar but there's nothing.


You'd be surprised. The El Chupacabra legend started in Brazil & became widespread across the world in just a few years. All modern UFO Tropes can pretty much be traced back to the years surrounding The Roswell Incident. In the 1930's, believers' explanation of poltergeists suddenly changed from ghosts to psychic powers.

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brdardin wrote:
Look at my avatar, and you will know why I find the Operator scary.


Precisely. You'd think a forum where people bitch at each other wouldn't be scary, but then everyone makes Operator avatars... Razz

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
brdardin wrote:
Look at my avatar, and you will know why I find the Operator scary.


Precisely. You'd think a forum where people bitch at each other wouldn't be scary, but then everyone makes Operator avatars... Razz


Lol, I was referring to the scene it's from, but that's a good point.

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DHawk314 wrote:
pravado wrote:
I don't care about an origin story nor do I really wanna know how he came to be on this earth. I just want to know his motive


See, I don't see why this is necessary either. They didn't invent the character. They "Made it their own," but it's hardly an original character. It's still definitely Slender Man. And Slender Man has always been, since before Marble Hornets even existed, something that drives people insane, stalks people, makes people do horrible things to each other, and ultimately causes harm to people. Why is Marble Hornets responsible for explaining why he does any of those things, anymore than anyone else who does things based on The Slender Man Mythos? Because they changed his name? I don't agree.


But there are so many convoluted twists and plot-points that could really use some explanation to suffice what I assume is a large amount of the fanbase's curiosities. Perhaps we don't need a direct explanation that pertains to why Slenderman has a fetish for little girls, but if we could get a tangible reason as to why he has chosen these particular characters to torture--Tim, Alex, Jessica...then I would be happy. Otherwise, it would just feel like lazy writing; "Oh, we're just going to say that Slenderman does what he does because he's Slenderman and he liked children, so he stalks college-age kids and decides not to make them disappear like all of the other not-college-age kids just because reasons." I get what you're saying, but there are still about a billion loose ends that need to be tied up.
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DHawk314
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I think it's just that I've watched Slender Man stuff for a while, and I've seen a lot of it. And he's always doing basically the same thing, stalking people and driving them crazy and murdering them. And none of them explain why Slender Man does what he does really. I mean, none of them invented him, and I never really saw it as being the point of Slender Man. I never thought any other Slender Man series was bad because they didn't explain his motives, and it just disorients me when people expect Marble Hornets to explain it just because it's more popular then the others. I would get it if Marble Hornets invented him, but they didn't, they changed his name.

I do get it though. Marble Hornets is magnitudes bigger than any other Slender Man series, so people see it as more important, and they think they should explain his motives, and will be disappointed if they don't. But, I wouldn't hold your breath.

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If he had no purpose and was exactly the same character as previous incarnations, changing his name would be kind of pointless, though. The fact that they changed his name at all implies that he has at least some kind of unique function. Therein, a motive.

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Exactly that. If you just want a monster that kills people, you don't try to make it into something more than a monster that kills people.

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DHawk314
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Starkley wrote:
If he had no purpose and was exactly the same character as previous incarnations, changing his name would be kind of pointless, though. The fact that they changed his name at all implies that he has at least some kind of unique function. Therein, a motive.


The only reason he's "The Operator" is because they don't want to be limited to fit into the continuity of other Slender Man related media, I.E. they're adapting him into their own continuity. It doesn't necessarily mean they're making huge changes to him.

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So what, they just pulled the name out of a hat? It's such a multipurpose name that I figure some thought had to go in it, especially with all the allusions videos make, like the current "Operative" use of it meaning "to operate on a person's body in a medical situation," or the TTA phone focus of a telephone operator.

I figure some thought must have gone into the name, and because of that re-imagining of Slendy, they've made the character into their own version. He's not as steeped in WW2 history similarly to MyDarkJournal's (I may have misinterpreted this because of how little I follow that channel), he's not as brazenly violent or aggressive as is TribeTwelve's, and he's not as meta as EverymanHYBRID's. He's a separate entity entirely, and therefore, yes, he is MarbleHornets' responsibility to develop.

MarbleHornets has a complicated story that gives characters motives that all seem to directly tie into those of The Operator. Therefore, it stands to reason that The Operator must have some function and motive of its own. Otherwise this is all kind of pointless puppetry. If it had no motive or origin, all this weird symbolism and allusion would be such a loose end. Including its almost ubiquitous name in everything that refers to him; both Alex and TTA call him the same thing. There's gotta be a reason for that; the only way we know those two intersect is through knowledge of TO. So where'd they pull the name?

The Operator is a character all on his own. He should have a motive.

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