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pravado
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This is my take of the video


totheark is watching tim from outside of his window and zooms in

tim is upset, contemplates taking the pills, and then does it

he sees totheark, totheark zooms out and runs away



what i got out of it is that the pills are what turns tim into masky, not prevents him from becoming him. perhaps his prescribing doctor is involved in some operator business in some way?

edit: wow, the last post before this one is literally the same theory. nice job.

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Lithp
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That, in general, sounds a little cliche, but there are some things in it that strike a chord.

IIRC, Masky once went somewhere, & it was implied to be to retrieve the pills.

But what pills could you handwave to be the cause of an alter-ego?

I'm just spitballing ideas here, but suppose whatever Tim has isn't legal. Suppose they're some kind of hallucinogen, or something similar, which causes a break in the perception of reality. Suppose this somehow protects you from The Operator.

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Kilo
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pravado wrote:
This is my take of the video


totheark is watching tim from outside of his window and zooms in

tim is upset, contemplates taking the pills, and then does it

he sees totheark, totheark zooms out and runs away



what i got out of it is that the pills are what turns tim into masky, not prevents him from becoming him. perhaps his prescribing doctor is involved in some operator business in some way?

edit: wow, the last post before this one is literally the same theory. nice job.


*high five*

To extrapolate this further, maybe the pills are highly addictive, whatever they are, so all those times Tim felt like shit he took them, not to get better but because he couldn't take the withdrawal symptoms? It could also explain why Masky took them from Jay if I remember correctly- when Jay took the pill bottle from the house, it was full, but after Masky's visit it was empty. It was necessary to keep the Mask going.

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aidansean
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Based on recent entries I'm inclined to think that Tim suffers from some form of schizophrenia. By this I do not mean dual personality, I mean altered perception of reality, often manifesting in paranoia. For some people with schizophrenia they have a lot of trouble trusting people and they often have a lot of trouble trusting doctors and their motives for medication.

This could explain why Tim is so angry at Jay in Entry #60 and refuses to to listen to him properly, let alone trust him. It could also explain his reluctance to take the pills, since logically he knows they will help, but he can't shake off the feeling that they have been prescribed for some other reason (ie to control him in some respect.) Now add to this the memory lapses that happen around the operator and what would otherwise be a manageable mental illness becomes unmanageable and starts to have major effects on Tim's personal and professional lives. Given that the symptoms associate with schizophrenia can include hallucinations it's very likely that any talk of the operator to medical staff would be ignored as a side effect of the condition, and even close family members/friends would not take him seriously.

There would be some trace of this in the medical notes, right? "Possible disorder" is written on the admission form. On the "Fall risk assessment" they list "hallucinations". This is brought up again in the "Suicide/self-harm assessment tool".

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I like that the theory is in accordance with modern medicine, but none of those can't be attributed to The Operator.

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Lithp wrote:
I like that the theory is in accordance with modern medicine, but none of those can't be attributed to The Operator.


To be honest there's almost nothing that can't be attributed to the operator. We don't know the limits of its abilities, and the abilities we know about are already very powerful and intimidating. I suppose what can be said is this: If Tim suffers from schizophrenia independently of contact with the operator then he will probably have a very different response to experience than the other characters. For example, it may take him a lot longer to realise that the operator is a real thing, whereas both Alex and Jay worked it out almost immediately after seeing the evidence in the footage.

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I love it when theories are formed without any evidence.

TTA is watching Tim through a window.
Tim is upset/anxious.
Tim takes pills.

Now this is where the bullshit is beginning to form. "Turns him into Masky". "Prevents him from turning into Masky".

They could just be paracetamol. They could be anti-depressants. Anti-anxiety. But I don't think they make an "anti-masky" pill.

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JKatkina wrote:
I'm going to pop back up for a second (it's been a while?!) to re-state a theory that hasn't been in vogue for a while, but got some support with #60.5 there:

Tim's pills are anticonvulsants. One of the functions of an anticonvulsant is to "suppress the rapid and excessive firing of neurons that start a seizure" (taken from wikipedia). Neurons firing are electrical activity.

The Operator has some sort of undefined effect on electrical systems, and this could easily include peoples' brains. This could mean that, while Tim is taking anticonvulsants, he is immune to some of the effects of the Operator's presence. This could include the memory loss and disorientation.

Tim, when on his medication, could be keeping his memory far more than your average slender-stalkee, which could itself account for the 'Masky' behavior. Rather than an alternate personality, the mask is a way from keeping the Operator from specifically recognizing Tim when Tim decides to do stuff that he's learned (over many years, apparently, of being involved in these shenanigans) agitate the Operator -- ie, being on camera, taping TO, getting involved with people who are being stalked by TO. Anyways, we have evidence from the first season that Tim was taking the pills for seizures then -- Jay steals his pills, and the next time they meet Tim has an apparent seizure, and the pills get stolen back -- and this is the first time specifically that we see him taking pills in the current day. In this case the pills would in fact enable Tim to be Masky but not require it, and would mean that Tim's ability to be Masky is an act of his own agency rather than some mysterious split personality or proxy shit, so the taking of the pills would be a soft suggestion that he's back in the game, or a red herring, either way.

The continued knowledge of an eldritch horror hanging around would wear on a guy, though. Two theories: Tim could have at some point decided seizures were less dangerous than continued knowledge of TO, and stopped talking his pills in order to let his memory be wiped like everyone elses, or Tim could have put away the mask and distanced himself from all things Marble Hornets intentionally while still retaining the memories.

He does look upset or resigned as he's taking the pills in this particular entry. This part is just wild speculation, but he could be acknowledging the necessity of getting involved again, despite his better judgement.

Anyways, the main idea here is that the pills Tim takes in observation are anticonvulsants, and that the anticonvuslants themselves contribute to his ability to don the mask but don't require it.


I really like this theory. I was going with the JayMasky theories for a while, but this is definitely my new favorite. It explains the seizures, which do appear to be a Tim-only problem and not an Operator problem, and it makes sense in context. Tim was trying to stay out of it, he was lying to Jay, but TTA and Jay got him back in the game.
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Wow, I really like the anticonvulsants idea. I think it makes more sense than the split personality idea, since it removes the need for an explanation of why Timasky acts the way he does.

On another note, I think that Jay being part of TTA is a bit silly, and that it's more logical for the Twitter account to have been hacked by TTA. I also think that by this point, Jay has been locked out completely.
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pravado wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
pravado wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Zurtrinik wrote:
Jay just posted the video on his twitter with a 0 in front of the link, he also put a x in front of the picture from the video before it was posted and putting them together makes the operator symbol. I dont know if this supports the "twitter was hacked" or "jay posted it" theories but it is an interesting touch.
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that or Jay/TTA is trying to give us hugs and kisses...


There's definitely something wrong with Jay, or he's not in control of the Twitter feed anymore.


pretty sure you'd have to be legit retarded to not realize that totheark hacked his twitter account


Great, let's insult people for having different theories now.

Some people have hypothesized that Jay is either in a trance or a Masky-like state and that he's the one posting the tweets. It's totally plausible seeing that the situations surrounding enttry #37 and entry ###### were equally suspicious.

It doesn't make people retarded just because they disagree with you...



Yes it does

the video linked was a totheark video

anyone who thinks anyone but totheark hacked jays account is a moron who wants so desperately for the obvious to not be truth


totheark can not be jay, how can you easily forget return, exit, etc? and if you're gonna say "well jay just took over the account!" - i'm gonna call you a dumbass

plus there was a tta in season 3 that is vidoetaping jay




Dude, get some friends. MH is a fun thing we all watch and try to figure out together and you criticize it like it's up for an Academy Award. The only thing that is dumb is how you come on here everyday and hate on it. You tell everyone that you're entitled to your opinion and you are. You are not, however, entitled to call people names (especially calling them retarded) because they disagree with you.

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Kilo
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Boreamor wrote:
I love it when theories are formed without any evidence.

TTA is watching Tim through a window.
Tim is upset/anxious.
Tim takes pills.

Now this is where the bullshit is beginning to form. "Turns him into Masky". "Prevents him from turning into Masky".

They could just be paracetamol. They could be anti-depressants. Anti-anxiety. But I don't think they make an "anti-masky" pill.


The pills have been such a recurring thing, plus medicine in general has been a huge motif this season, do you really think that they're making a point to show Tim popping Tylenol?

I mean, honestly, if the pills are ever addressed, I find it highly unlikely that they'll be specifically named. It will probably be along the lines of "When I take the pills, this happens." or "If I don't take the pills, this happens." or "I was told to take the pills for this reason."

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Until I see evidence that Masky was around before Jay uploaded Entry #1, I don't really see how the pills could have something to do with Tim becoming Masky. Anticonvulsants, sure. Cough medicine, sure.

Jay has trances and stuff too, and they haven't always had anything to do with pills, because that would make his trance from enttry #37 and his trance from #19 contradictory (one possibly with pills, one without).

Also, wouldn't that be HORRIBLY convenient? Hoody stops stalking Jay and starts stalking Tim just in time to see Tim take some Masky-related pills?

Tim's always coughing, Tim's always taking pills, Tim has a medical history. I guess they could just as easily be antipsychotics.

Also, Totheark doesn't always have great meaningful reasons for the things he does. Sometimes he just wants people to know they're being watched. Like in "Exit," "Addition," and even in that photo he left for Jay. Really, what does taking that picture show except that Totheark is WATCHING?

This could just as easily be the same thing. It wouldn't be that unusual. The video is called "obvservation," after all.
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What if Tim thinks it was Jay outside of his window? And comes to kick his ass?

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pravado
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Stevie D wrote:
pravado wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
pravado wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Zurtrinik wrote:
Jay just posted the video on his twitter with a 0 in front of the link, he also put a x in front of the picture from the video before it was posted and putting them together makes the operator symbol. I dont know if this supports the "twitter was hacked" or "jay posted it" theories but it is an interesting touch.
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that or Jay/TTA is trying to give us hugs and kisses...


There's definitely something wrong with Jay, or he's not in control of the Twitter feed anymore.


pretty sure you'd have to be legit retarded to not realize that totheark hacked his twitter account


Great, let's insult people for having different theories now.

Some people have hypothesized that Jay is either in a trance or a Masky-like state and that he's the one posting the tweets. It's totally plausible seeing that the situations surrounding enttry #37 and entry ###### were equally suspicious.

It doesn't make people retarded just because they disagree with you...



Yes it does

the video linked was a totheark video

anyone who thinks anyone but totheark hacked jays account is a moron who wants so desperately for the obvious to not be truth


totheark can not be jay, how can you easily forget return, exit, etc? and if you're gonna say "well jay just took over the account!" - i'm gonna call you a dumbass

plus there was a tta in season 3 that is vidoetaping jay




Dude, get some friends. MH is a fun thing we all watch and try to figure out together and you criticize it like it's up for an Academy Award. The only thing that is dumb is how you come on here everyday and hate on it. You tell everyone that you're entitled to your opinion and you are. You are not, however, entitled to call people names (especially calling them retarded) because they disagree with you.


they are blatantly ignoring facts and that's why i'm calling them dumb. it has nothing to do with opinions.

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Can someone explain to me the reasoning of why Tim would need pills to put on a mask? He doesn't get superpowers or anything. Except maybe ninja stealth.

I mean, the pills are a manmade thing. It's likely that at least some of Tim's mental handicaps are Operatorelated...so I don't see how the pills could, in any reasonable belief, exacerbate or alleviate them.

I get the whole "they could alleviate Operatorelated effects" thing but Hoody isn't really afraid to walk around places where TO is, and the pills weren't really helping Tim out with any of the other physical effects TO was causing. And apparently Tim still lost his memory after #33 (apparently, okay). Don't see why he wouldn't have had his pills anymore.

Even if Hoody was taking pills too, wouldn't he need a prescription for that kind of medicine? (Don't know)
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