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Kilo wrote:
I mean, honestly, if the pills are ever addressed, I find it highly unlikely that they'll be specifically named. It will probably be along the lines of "When I take the pills, this happens." or "If I don't take the pills, this happens." or "I was told to take the pills for this reason."

Far as I'm concerned, that's already happened. In 60.5, there are anticonvulsants specifically referred to and I am under the impression that anticonvulsants come in pill form as a general rule. When Tim was without the pills for a brief time in season 1 he had a seizure on camera. I think that's the best we're going to get in regards to being told what they are.

Starkley wrote:
I mean, the pills are a manmade thing. It's likely that at least some of Tim's mental handicaps are Operatorelated...so I don't see how the pills could, in any reasonable belief, exacerbate or alleviate them.

They could alleviate the symptoms of Operator-created -- sometimes medications are used to alleviate symptoms, particularly when the cause of a symptom is unknown or unknowable. That said... I do think you're right. I don't think the pills are like flipping a switch. That'd be too easy and sort of lame.

It would make sense if they were a factor, though, given that so much focus is put on them for so long. I really think that they mess with the Operator's ability to wipe Tim's memory via the same neuron-inhibiting qualities that allow them to prevent seizures, and that that's their main function in this context. The rest is Tim trying his best to deal with an incomprehensibly awful situation.

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JKatkina wrote:
I really think that they mess with the Operator's ability to wipe Tim's memory via the same neuron-inhibiting qualities that allow them to prevent seizures, and that that's their main function in this context. The rest is Tim trying his best to deal with an incomprehensibly awful situation.


If that's the case, he would have had to have found that out accidentally, and not have known about The Operator in the events between #17 and #56, 'cause he had been taking the pills rather regularly, and...well...it'd be amazingly dumb if he'd walked into the hospital annex place with Alex and memories of The Operator intact.

I really think that Tim had been mindwiped between #33 and Season 3, so I still don't see what leads to him not taking the pills and being vulnerable, but hey, maybe he was lying about all of it and his #59 reaction was his frustration that this stuff was still following him around? Just, reliance on the pills makes things...difficult.
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Starkley wrote:
Can someone explain to me the reasoning of why Tim would need pills to put on a mask? He doesn't get superpowers or anything. Except maybe ninja stealth.

I mean, the pills are a manmade thing. It's likely that at least some of Tim's mental handicaps are Operatorelated...so I don't see how the pills could, in any reasonable belief, exacerbate or alleviate them.

I get the whole "they could alleviate Operatorelated effects" thing but Hoody isn't really afraid to walk around places where TO is, and the pills weren't really helping Tim out with any of the other physical effects TO was causing. And apparently Tim still lost his memory after #33 (apparently, okay). Don't see why he wouldn't have had his pills anymore.

Even if Hoody was taking pills too, wouldn't he need a prescription for that kind of medicine? (Don't know)



Not if Tim gave them to him (unlikely but explains it)

Plus Tim's operator symptoms are just that, symptoms. If he tells a doctor he's losing memory and his head hurts, his doctor is gonna try and find something that counters that. Just because the sickness is caused by the operator doesn't mean the cure can't be manmade.

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Starkley wrote:
If that's the case, he would have had to have found that out accidentally, and not have known about The Operator in the events between #17 and #56, 'cause he had been taking the pills rather regularly, and...well...it'd be amazingly dumb if he'd walked into the hospital annex place with Alex and memories of The Operator intact.

I really think that Tim had been mindwiped between #33 and Season 3, so I still don't see what leads to him not taking the pills and being vulnerable, but hey, maybe he was lying about all of it and his #59 reaction was his frustration that this stuff was still following him around? Just, reliance on the pills makes things...difficult.

It is kind of a snarly set of circumstances! I can only speculate, and how.

I could easily see how Tim would want to lose his memory after the events of season 1 and #33, and if it is only the pills keeping Tim from forgetting, it seems like all that would take would be an interruption of his dosage. He might have braved a possible seizure in order to forget the terror he's been through. Or he could be lying... but going with Jay to the hospital in full knowledge of the Op seems immensely dumb on his part, unless it was a failed gambit to warn Jay away from the place, and his reaction to Jay in #59 does seem really genuinely upset. I don't know man.

Anyways, to address something you mentioned in your previous post that I missed (ninja!), a person probably does need a prescription for those pills but if Hoody and Masky are colluding, Tim could easily enough be sharing. It'd be risky for him, but probably doable.

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 		Aye. Tim's behavior is kind of enigmatic regardless of what the pills might have to do with it so I guess we'll have to wait for an upcoming entry to shed some light on this.
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pravado wrote:
Stevie D wrote:
pravado wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
pravado wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Zurtrinik wrote:
Jay just posted the video on his twitter with a 0 in front of the link, he also put a x in front of the picture from the video before it was posted and putting them together makes the operator symbol. I dont know if this supports the "twitter was hacked" or "jay posted it" theories but it is an interesting touch.
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that or Jay/TTA is trying to give us hugs and kisses...


There's definitely something wrong with Jay, or he's not in control of the Twitter feed anymore.


pretty sure you'd have to be legit retarded to not realize that totheark hacked his twitter account


Great, let's insult people for having different theories now.

Some people have hypothesized that Jay is either in a trance or a Masky-like state and that he's the one posting the tweets. It's totally plausible seeing that the situations surrounding enttry #37 and entry ###### were equally suspicious.

It doesn't make people retarded just because they disagree with you...



Yes it does

the video linked was a totheark video

anyone who thinks anyone but totheark hacked jays account is a moron who wants so desperately for the obvious to not be truth


totheark can not be jay, how can you easily forget return, exit, etc? and if you're gonna say "well jay just took over the account!" - i'm gonna call you a dumbass

plus there was a tta in season 3 that is vidoetaping jay




Dude, get some friends. MH is a fun thing we all watch and try to figure out together and you criticize it like it's up for an Academy Award. The only thing that is dumb is how you come on here everyday and hate on it. You tell everyone that you're entitled to your opinion and you are. You are not, however, entitled to call people names (especially calling them retarded) because they disagree with you.


they are blatantly ignoring facts and that's why i'm calling them dumb. it has nothing to do with opinions.


Considering all I said amounted to was "Either Jay's gone weird again (sllep.now) or TTA took over the account", I see no reason for such hostility.

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evanx275h wrote:
SaferSaturnX wrote:
Zurtrinik wrote:
evanx275h wrote:
EDIT: After looking through every totheark video, "RETURN TO US" is shown in "Attention". This is weird, because that video, "Attention", was uploaded on January 10th, the same date that was stressed on the last page that Jay looked at in Entry #60.5 (the one with the oppy symbol that had absolutely everything redacted besides that date). This is the only reasoning I could come up with for that date in Entry #60.5, and it fits with the whole "return to us" bit in relation to Tim. It's something to work with, to say the least.


I have a feeling you just caught something that is going to be important


I agree; nice catch. My guess is Troseph wrote that date on the medical records to coincide with the "Attention" video (rather than planned it out back then).

My guess would be that this new video is directed at Tim. Someone mentioned earlier that Tim doesn't know about the TTA videos, but there's really no way to be sure. Anyone with a little common sense that searched "marble hornets" on Google would be bound to come across the TTA videos. My guess is that TTA/Hoody is "waiting on" Tim to come back to maskiness (by taking the pills).


My question is, because the message of "Attention" is primarily "return to us" and "wake up", could it mean that TTA is trying to convince Tim that Masky was once one of them, and that he should "wake up" from this whole false reality that he's created where he feels "safe" and "well"? I say this because, regardless of how much better Tim said he was doing (and imo that's what I think TTA is accusing Tim of lying about), this situation isn't ever going to be fixed unless Tim does something to stop it. Tim is convinced that he's fine. Maybe TTA is trying to snap him out of it in reference to Attention?

More theories, anyway. So far, I hope I'm right because, again, that's the best lead/reasoning behind that date that I can come up with. What does everyone else think though?


Maybe (and this may be really going out on a limb), but this is a more complex puzzle, where the date January 10th leads us to look at the video "Attention", and the text "return to us" from "Attention" is supposed to lead us to the TTA video "Return". And look what happens in "Return"; Jay is losing his mind, sleepwalking (or whatever you want to call it). Based on the idea that some people think Jay has been the one making these past few tweets, not TTA, maybe he letting us know that he's gone back to being unreliable.

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 		the mask is either a way for the operator to prevent putting you in a trance immediately, or just a way to have some mystery to the story (hoody)

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 		It would be quite a coincidence if the date on the medical documents just happened to match up with one Totheark video, let alone two, and thereby convey a relevant message to Jay in the present. Totheark's cryptic, but...

Anyway, this was all left for Jay, and I doubt that Totheark expects Jay to jump through those kind of insane puzzle hoops. (Rephrasal: If Totheark thinks Jay's going to notice that, Totheark hasn't been paying attention the past two seasons.) The date is probably referring to something more concrete, if it's even supposed to be important.

And Prav, I just think that the masked dudes don't want Jay or Alex knowing who they are, because both Jay and Alex are trouble in their own way. Jay's pushed his nose where it doesn't belong and brings TO around, and Alex is a scary dude with a rock.
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Lithp wrote:
That, in general, sounds a little cliche, but there are some things in it that strike a chord.

IIRC, Masky once went somewhere, & it was implied to be to retrieve the pills.

But what pills could you handwave to be the cause of an alter-ego?

I'm just spitballing ideas here, but suppose whatever Tim has isn't legal. Suppose they're some kind of hallucinogen, or something similar, which causes a break in the perception of reality. Suppose this somehow protects you from The Operator.


Or, like some people have commented, perhaps the pills simply suppress his desire to become Masky. Maybe he is actually Masky and his other personality is his alter-ego. Lots of pills, anti-depressants specifically, can easily make people a bit more zombie-ish, for lack of a better word. Maybe in his natural state, Tim really wants to help Jay by being Masky (for a VERY wide definition of "help"), but it takes a toll on him, and so he takes the pills which make him simply not care about the whole thing (possibly related to his Timnesia, assuming he's not lying about that).

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 		do you guys realize that in order for tta to synchronize all this, he would have had to have tim's documents back in 2010 and purposely post a video on that date knowing that two years in the future jay's investigation would still be ongoing and that he could call it back

why would he do that, comeon now

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pravado wrote:
do you guys realize that in order for tta to synchronize all this, he would have had to have tim's documents back in 2010 and purposely post a video on that date knowing that two years in the future jay's investigation would still be ongoing and that he could call it back

why would he do that, comeon now


Unfortunately this is true. It would be awesome. Unless it was information he found out later on and used it to his advantage.

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pravado wrote:
do you guys realize that in order for tta to synchronize all this, he would have had to have tim's documents back in 2010 and purposely post a video on that date knowing that two years in the future jay's investigation would still be ongoing and that he could call it back

why would he do that, comeon now


To show they know more than Jay does, that they have known it from an earlier time (perhaps from the very beginning of all this trouble) and they are more powerful than he'd otherwise think. tta would not make this kind of information about Tim available until Jay is in contact with Tim in real life (otherwise it would just be too confusing.) Now Jay could have done with this kind of information back in Entry #53, but nevermind. (Then again let's not forget than tta had to wait until Jay was going to announce that he was going somewhere that Tim would not go to in order for tta to be able to drop the documents off somewhere safe in the first place.)

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 		That would mean that TTA set up something he wanted to tell Jay so that he could tell it to Jay again 2 years later in a cryptic fashion.

Sure, whatever floats your boat.
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pravado wrote:
do you guys realize that in order for tta to synchronize all this, he would have had to have tim's documents back in 2010 and purposely post a video on that date knowing that two years in the future jay's investigation would still be ongoing and that he could call it back

why would he do that, comeon now


Or TTA simply forged the medical document with the date to make it look like the others. All the information's redacted anyways, he could have made it the day before he left it in the tunnel.

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