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SheWhoSlaysMonsters
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Zebez wrote:
SheWhoSlaysMonsters wrote:
Yeah, I feel like this is more of a game changer than a game finisher.... I have a feeling Jay will wind up coming out of this no longer fighting alone.

It's been seriously hinted at, what with Jay's rather sudden, but subtle, moping about "being alone" and "not having anyone to turn to".

Plus, it's just a personal wish of mine to get a Jay/Tim/Hoody team-up at some point in the series. Very Happy


I'd be seriously suspicious of teaming up with hoody right now. I know he moved the plot along but what he did, taking Tim's meds and then filming him turn into masky, and then letting him run away into rosswood before posting the video about it and telling Jay to go find him was pretty coercive. I don't think I would trust totheark after that. But I'm sure Jay would be just as suspicious.


Here we go, theory time! Get ready for the most long-winded post EVAH.

Y'see, the reason why I still think it would pretty cool for all three of them to team-up is because I see a lot of aspects of Entry #61 differently than others do. I also see the idea of Tim's split personality differently.

First things first: Tim's Masky personality. Yes, I think that it's (sort of) a split personality. But, not in the mainstream "Sybil" way a lot of people automatically think of when they hear "split personality". I feel like the Masky personality is more of a fugue state, created by Tim's mind as a survival mechanism after being stalked by Slendy for nearly all of his life. Without developing his Masky personality, he would be "gone". Masky takes the brunt of, and also copes better with physically and emotionally, the pain and trauma of being Slenderstalked. Of course, since it's not a COMPLETE split personality and more of a different state of mind, Tim is still somewhat affected. Tim's unbalanced and violent behavior as Masky may be dangerous, but it's also saved his life. It's sort of a necessary evil.

The pills actually have very little to do with whether Masky manifests or not. They're just anti-convulsants. Masky appears at the sign of danger, and going into a seizure is a pretty dangerous situation, so having a fit would inadvertently cause Tim to revert to the fugue state.



Now, second things second: Entry #61. First, my beliefs on why Tim hasn't been going into his Masky state of late. Pretty much because Hoody's decided to take on the full load of TTA activities while he lets Tim repair himself emotionally and physically for a while. Tim's been injured plenty of times now in the series and has been spending more time in Masky mode than as Tim. And, I feel like Hoody had been trying to keep him in that state.

Hoody, to me, is not neutral or evil in his plans. He just believes that the ends justify the means. Tim will be safer if "Masky" takes the heat, and Masky's just all around more useful to him than Tim. But, physical injuries tranfer over to Tim as well. And the emotional toll became so great that Masky couldn't contain it all. So, Hoody set Tim free and allowed the Tim personality to completely take over once again.

But, now, Jay's been meddling with Tim, and something that absolutely was never supposed to happen happened. Tim found out about Masky. Now, there were no barriers. Tim could see everything that had happened to him in the Masky state. So, Masky can no longer be used as a wastelock. Along with that, Jay's meddling has also brought Tim back into contact with the Slenderman once again. So, now, Hoody has no choice but to force Tim back into his Masky personality prematurely in order to try to protect Tim and salvage as much of the Tim personality's sanity as possible.

So, Hoody blames Jay for making him force Tim back into his Masky state before he was ready.

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SheWhoSlaysMonsters wrote:

So, Hoody blames Jay for making him force Tim back into his Masky state before he was ready.


But if those pills do anything to keep Masky at bay, then Hoody is responsible for bringing Tim back into that state.

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MaesterTed wrote:
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Box of thing.
Up to the challenge, depperd?


Oh snap! Ven?!
Well hello again. Dang, it has been a while since I went to the riddle board and stuff!


Oh, and I forgot all about that box xD
I'll try my best to become pro at it.

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I'll ask this guy to be my mentor.
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Zebez
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SheWhoSlaysMonsters wrote:
Zebez wrote:
SheWhoSlaysMonsters wrote:
Yeah, I feel like this is more of a game changer than a game finisher.... I have a feeling Jay will wind up coming out of this no longer fighting alone.

It's been seriously hinted at, what with Jay's rather sudden, but subtle, moping about "being alone" and "not having anyone to turn to".

Plus, it's just a personal wish of mine to get a Jay/Tim/Hoody team-up at some point in the series. Very Happy


I'd be seriously suspicious of teaming up with hoody right now. I know he moved the plot along but what he did, taking Tim's meds and then filming him turn into masky, and then letting him run away into rosswood before posting the video about it and telling Jay to go find him was pretty coercive. I don't think I would trust totheark after that. But I'm sure Jay would be just as suspicious.


Here we go, theory time! Get ready for the most long-winded post EVAH.

Y'see, the reason why I still think it would pretty cool for all three of them to team-up is because I see a lot of aspects of Entry #61 differently than others do. I also see the idea of Tim's split personality differently.

First things first: Tim's Masky personality. Yes, I think that it's (sort of) a split personality. But, not in the mainstream "Sybil" way a lot of people automatically think of when they hear "split personality". I feel like the Masky personality is more of a fugue state, created by Tim's mind as a survival mechanism after being stalked by Slendy for nearly all of his life. Without developing his Masky personality, he would be "gone". Masky takes the brunt of, and also copes better with physically and emotionally, the pain and trauma of being Slenderstalked. Of course, since it's not a COMPLETE split personality and more of a different state of mind, Tim is still somewhat affected. Tim's unbalanced and violent behavior as Masky may be dangerous, but it's also saved his life. It's sort of a necessary evil.

The pills actually have very little to do with whether Masky manifests or not. They're just anti-convulsants. Masky appears at the sign of danger, and going into a seizure is a pretty dangerous situation, so having a fit would inadvertently cause Tim to revert to the fugue state.



Now, second things second: Entry #61. First, my beliefs on why Tim hasn't been going into his Masky state of late. Pretty much because Hoody's decided to take on the full load of TTA activities while he lets Tim repair himself emotionally and physically for a while. Tim's been injured plenty of times now in the series and has been spending more time in Masky mode than as Tim. And, I feel like Hoody had been trying to keep him in that state.

Hoody, to me, is not neutral or evil in his plans. He just believes that the ends justify the means. Tim will be safer if "Masky" takes the heat, and Masky's just all around more useful to him than Tim. But, physical injuries tranfer over to Tim as well. And the emotional toll became so great that Masky couldn't contain it all. So, Hoody set Tim free and allowed the Tim personality to completely take over once again.

But, now, Jay's been meddling with Tim, and something that absolutely was never supposed to happen happened. Tim found out about Masky. Now, there were no barriers. Tim could see everything that had happened to him in the Masky state. So, Masky can no longer be used as a wastelock. Along with that, Jay's meddling has also brought Tim back into contact with the Slenderman once again. So, now, Hoody has no choice but to force Tim back into his Masky personality prematurely in order to try to protect Tim and salvage as much of the Tim personality's sanity as possible.

So, Hoody blames Jay for making him force Tim back into his Masky state before he was ready.


I like the idea of a fugue state to keep Tim safe, but I don't think Hoody is really much of a protector and I find his motives to be well...self motivated and manipulative. I think Hoody needs a team, and now he's desperate hence the last entry telling Jay that it was his last chance. He wants action and action means things can get done. He can't wait anymore.

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Blank_Zero wrote:
MaesterTed wrote:
ToTheArcanine wrote:


Box of thing.
Up to the challenge, depperd?


Oh snap! Ven?!
Well hello again. Dang, it has been a while since I went to the riddle board and stuff!


Oh, and I forgot all about that box xD
I'll try my best to become pro at it.

OOG spoilers:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I'll ask this guy to be my mentor.
https://p.twimg.com/Az4QTouCMAAkLIQ.jpg


DAT GOATEE


I alex has that goatee the next time we see him I'm going to lose it with laughter. It's soooo stereotypically evil

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 		I have a totally different theory. I think sleepwalking is a symptom of Slendsersickness. It should be noted that Jay has sleepwalked before as well (See: Entry #19/Return, Entry #24) so it makes sense as a symptom.

Now my theory is that you don't usually do anything on these Slender sleepwalks. The first time Tim Slender sleepwalked in 1995, it was to Rosswood Park; that's his default setting for Slender sleepwalking: Go to Rosswood Park. Why, I dunno, maybe he liked it there as a kid? Regardless, I think when you're Slender sleepwalking, you're easily suggestible. And I think following the Interview with Tim, totheark tracked down Tim, caught him Slender sleepwalking, and hypnotized him into working for him. Maybe somehow he managed to make it so he didn't really wake up, for at least a very long time. He turned him into Masky.

Anyway, that's my thoery. I think it fits, because this entry seemed to draw a relationship between Masky and Tim sleepwalking to Rosswood in 1995, and Jay also doesn't remember his sleepwalking, and Tim doesn't remember being Masky, and totheark/Hoody recently triggered Tim sleepwalking, and Masky worked with totheark/Hoody, and blablabla connections. Also, someone asked me to redo the Tim Core pic with that other Tim picture, so I did.

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 		So... something just occurred to me. What if it's not Rosswood Park Jay went to? Like, what if we were mislead? I mean, I highly doubt it, but still.

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 		Entry Thoughts
Man, that took awhile to catch up. I watched part of the tweetpocalypse, and have spent the time since then trying to catch up (when I wasn't working or sleeping). Y'all are crazy. But I am too, so we're all in good company. Smile

1) Limping: Ok so I don't think Tim limps still normally. He did for awhile, but then he didn't until after the seizure, right? I don't think that being Masky caused the limp, but the seizure did. Two reasons - first, when my sister had seizures, afterwards she would be extremely confused and disoriented. She did usually cry too...but she wouldn't really move around and we never made her move until she wanted to. So I guess that I don't actually know since she never tried to walk right after but that may have contributed. Secondly, in a seizure your muscles can lock up or spasm (they can also just kind of let go) and that's what looks like happened to Tim. If his broken leg healed badly (which I bet is highly likely since he was in a fugue state) there could be scar tissue, and the spasming could aggravate it and cause a limp. So I don't think that being Masky causes it or that Masky thinks his leg is broken still and therefore limps.
2) Didn't see this mentioned. There's a razor blade in the box with the empty pill bottle. And I think so cough drops. Important? Probably not but he's been cutting himself.
3) Nutella is awesomesauce.[/url]
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 		That's possible, but then how would Jay know where Tim was? We've been presuming that he took evidence from Tim sleepwalking to Rosswood in 1995. If that's not true, it would mean Jay knows something we don't. Although, totheark did say years ago that Jay was a secret keeper, and he doesn't want to give away where he's going, so I guess that's possible.

EDIT: Oh look the threads were merged, this will make things easier to navigate.
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Serum wrote:
So... something just occurred to me. What if it's not Rosswood Park Jay went to? Like, what if we were mislead? I mean, I highly doubt it, but still.

I'm not 100% on what you mean, you ask if we were misled. But that made me briefly ponder - what if Jay was misled?
What if Hoody is a bad guy? What if he took Tim's pills (definitely bad) to cause the seizure and used that to send Jay to Rosswood park knowing that Tim is NOT there? What if this is a set up to get Jay to run into The Operator?
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 		It started thunderstorming while I was watching Entry 61 D=

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jenni42ld wrote:
Serum wrote:
So... something just occurred to me. What if it's not Rosswood Park Jay went to? Like, what if we were mislead? I mean, I highly doubt it, but still.

I'm not 100% on what you mean, you ask if we were misled. But that made me briefly ponder - what if Jay was misled?
What if Hoody is a bad guy? What if he took Tim's pills (definitely bad) to cause the seizure and used that to send Jay to Rosswood park knowing that Tim is NOT there? What if this is a set up to get Jay to run into The Operator?


That's possible, except Hoody's tried to kill Alex, and Alex is presumably working for the Operator. Plus, he ran away from the Operator in Entry #45. If Hoody's working for the Operator but, unlike Alex is scared of him, and for some reason wants to kill Alex who is also working for the Operator, then that would radically change the way that I think of Hoody, and probably also the way I think of Masky and totheark.
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 		A couple things.
I merged the "entry" and "Entry #61" threads. After reading the majority of discussion, I concluded that most of it was happening in the "entry" thread anyway, and Jay's comments about knowing where to find Tim aren't really enough to generate a whole thread's worth of discussion. Feel free to discuss both aspects in this one.

Stop with the quote pyramids. No one likes them, except you. Also, they don't even add anything of worth to the thread, since they're all one-liners and off-topic comments. We do have an off-topic discussion thread.

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 		Re: A couple things.
Zarggg wrote:
Stop with the quote pyramids. No one likes them, except you.


I sincerely apologize. I was tired and giddy, somehow at the same time.
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 		Regarding the seizures:

They are not what most of you think a seizure would look like. Arms flailing and stuff. That is a tonic seizure.

What Tim COULD have had there was an absent seizure or a pseudo-seizure. The absent seizure is where your mind blacks out but your body is still awake. The pseudo-seizure is a dangerous type where your brain goes unconscious and you have few electrical signals going to your body, ie you go stiff as a board or a bit floppy, but not flaily.

Or bad acting.

Sources: Me and my severely epilitec housemate.

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