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censura_umbra
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What if Hoody never reveals themselves?

Like, season finale, Jay kicks in a door to find Seth editing a TTA video, while logged into TTA youtube, and also looking at the compromising photos he has of Jay.

Just so we are sure it is TTA. But it never actually unmasks Hoody. So most of the fandom just assume, okay, so now we know who Hoody is. But everyone here is like: "So BRIAN is HOODY!?!?" "NO It's Future Jay!?" "No Jessica!?" "Pffft It's obviously The Operator's Split personality from the future"


Also, OT: at the beginning of season 2 I really thought Jess was going to play a more major role and go deeper into the trenches (like we would see her on tapes, I mean her and Jay were in exactly the same situation at the beginning) What if Alex's GF was TTA the entire time (and "keeping tabs on Alex") and Jess was Hoody, her henchwoman. IDK, they built jess up and then just brushed her away.


Anyway, carry on

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SheWhoSlaysMonsters
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censura_umbra wrote:
What if Hoody never reveals themselves?

Like, season finale, Jay kicks in a door to find Seth editing a TTA video, while logged into TTA youtube, and also looking at the compromising photos he has of Jay.

Just so we are sure it is TTA. But it never actually unmasks Hoody. So most of the fandom just assume, okay, so now we know who Hoody is. But everyone here is like: "So BRIAN is HOODY!?!?" "NO It's Future Jay!?" "No Jessica!?" "Pffft It's obviously The Operator's Split personality from the future"


Also, OT: at the beginning of season 2 I really thought Jess was going to play a more major role and go deeper into the trenches (like we would see her on tapes, I mean her and Jay were in exactly the same situation at the beginning) What if Alex's GF was TTA the entire time (and "keeping tabs on Alex") and Jess was Hoody, her henchwoman. IDK, they built jess up and then just brushed her away.


Anyway, carry on


I'm glad to see someone looking at this like a series as well as real life!

But, yeah, my theory on the reason for Amy and Jessica even existing? Simple. They're plot device characters.

The first of Jessica's reasons for being in the series (at this point) is to provide a source of guilt which has recently been motivating Jay's every move. (And, as we can see, TTA has deduced that guilting Jay is the best way to get him to do what you want him to do).

The other reason for Jessica's existence is to paint Alex as COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY a villain. How? Well, Alex pulling a gun out on Jay could be easily interpreted as the act of an anti-hero. In order to not have people know he's been trying to save himself, he would have to kill Jay. But, Jessica was a pure innocent. That's the only character description we need for her for her purpose. Alex quickly and remorselessly decides to kill her (He had obviously decided to kill her long before when he mentions to Jay to "bring Jessica next time") even though Jessica had done NOTHING to deserve it.

Amy's purpose? To give Alex, Jay, and Jessica a reason to be getting involved in Season Two. I like to think that Alex cared when Amy was taken by the Operator (he was driven to all this by fear and desperation of course) but her being taken was the final straw for Alex. He thought he would have just had to make those few sacrifices and the Operator would leave him alone. No such luck. So, now he's begun devoting his life to feeding the Operator to keep it from attacking him.

Amy was Jay's reason because, obviously the video of her abduction was the reason Jay decided not to quit. She was also the reason for Alex and Jay meeting each other again.

And, she was Jessica's reason because Jessica getting involved in the plot because she is scared for her friend is a very pure, non-selfish, reason, which is important to paint her as an innocent, which will be important to paint Alex as a villain.

Soooo, there ya go! Very mundane, but I don't think there are any secrets to their characters. They are plot device damsels.

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censura_umbra
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This saddens me. I care not about Amy. She was obviously just motivation. But they let us SEE Jess. Like her fears and stuff. And she just vanished. Her being in that hotel with almost no memory as to what happened (obviously something crazy because her friends thought she drunkedly destroyed her house) and was in the same hotel as Jay with his safe's pass code. It seems Jay trusted her.

And we only see a small window into those 7months (for example, why did jay have any contact with Jessica at all? He isn't the type to drag people into this) I feel like they went through a lot other than the one time Alex almost shot them.

If she doesn't come back, or at least get a proper write off (such as "the operator eats everyone he kidnaps" okay we can assume Jess has been eaten)it will just seem like poor story telling to introduce a character with so much mystery and not reveal anything about her and kill her off before she even leaves her room.

Even if they just find more tapes from the 7months explaining her role, I'd be satisfied.

But if Jess is TTA. Then that explains why Alex would try to kill her and why she disappeared when masky showed up. (She screamed and jumped out the window. After making sure Jay would find the code)

Unlikely, but still possible to write it in.

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I think she'll show up again and get a bit more development. But, as of right now, her sole purpose is to give Jay someone to work for. It puts nobility back into his actions. Originally, he was investigating this because he thought Alex was in trouble. But, since Alex has been established as a villain, they didn't want Jay to become motivated solely by revenge against Alex. He's working to save Jessica and undo all the damage he's done to her life as well.

I think she'll be developed, but for her to be TTA would negate the entire purpose of her character. It would take away all of her innocence and Jay would be left without anyone he needs to fight for because of feeling personally responsible. If anything, being TTA would be a step backwards in her characterization.

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That all sounds pretty good to me.

I posit, also, that Troy wanted to avoid any sort of awkward romantic-sublevel. The series as a whole seems to revolve around themes of isolation, fear and paranoia. Having Jessica as a major character, someone openly sympathetic to Jay, would have turned it into more of a cliché fantasy jaunt than the dark, dark creation it is now. I also agree with your conclusions about 'Jessica-as-Totheark'. I think that she won't make any significant return. I wouldn't be surprised if she never returned, even if she is the sole casualty.

Hmm... guess I kinda lost sight of the topic at hand. It must be around here somewhere...

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SheWhoSlaysMonsters wrote:
I think she'll show up again and get a bit more development. But, as of right now, her sole purpose is to give Jay someone to work for. It puts nobility back into his actions. Originally, he was investigating this because he thought Alex was in trouble. But, since Alex has been established as a villain, they didn't want Jay to become motivated solely by revenge against Alex. He's working to save Jessica and undo all the damage he's done to her life as well.

I think she'll be developed, but for her to be TTA would negate the entire purpose of her character. It would take away all of her innocence and Jay would be left without anyone he needs to fight for because of feeling personally responsible. If anything, being TTA would be a step backwards in her characterization.


I get the initial motivation, but I think Jess stopped mattering (idk if Jay stopped caring or the audience did, but they quickly stopped mentioning her and moved on to poor tim)

So yes, Jay has to be alone and has to feel guilty. I get that. But wouldn't it be a psych breaker if, all this time, one of the people he thought he caused harm to has really been manipulating him the entire time. Like last minute, after everything is dealt with, Jay slumps to the ground, "I never even found Jessica..." Hoody pulls off her mask (I'm assuming hoody is going to put Jay through a LOT of shit before season end) and looks at Jay coldly.

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I'm starting to think they're going to have to draw this out by at least one more season... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Seasons 4 and 5.

I just watched Entry 61, again. The frame of Hoody is close to that of Jessica-- flat chested, slim and about the same height.

This would make sense, as Jessica was kicked out Alex's apartment, then when she met Jay his camera acted peculiarly around her. I am fully convinced that Jessica is ToTheArk, or at least part of it.

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I'm starting to think they're going to have to draw this out by at least one more season... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Seasons 4 and 5.

I hope they don't. I was very skeptical of season three (which I'm now loving pretty much every frame of) because the mystery had been running for three years. We don't know how long season three will be (and remember, Troseph did tell us that the equal number of entries in season was just a concidience) and I'm sure they'll be more then enough ground to cover the mystery of Hoody's identity and resolve most of the other threads.

Troseph annouced very late into season two about season threee and I think they'd be very wary of doing it again for the fan reaction.

If worst comes to worse and real life intervenes, I'd imagine the boys would annouce their having a 'mid season break' and not another season (which might been a better way to handle their creative break between season two and three. Personally, I think Troseph were a little too honest with us about their creative decisions)

As for....I just feel we haven't been given enough reasons to suspect a particular character of being Hoody or TTA that guessing their identity seems a little reducant. (I know Troseph told us to be wary of body types due to cast avalability), but I don't think they meant to push it that far when Hoody appears to be a guy) Something apparently bad went down during the filming of Marble Hornets and it's understandable the surrivors want revenge on Alex, but a more specific reason to why one person should be Hoody or TTA over another hasn't been provided. But we seemto have reached the part of the story where the atmospherics are over and the clues and red herrings will start to feature.

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Jordan wrote:
Seruem wrote

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I'm starting to think they're going to have to draw this out by at least one more season... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Seasons 4 and 5.

I hope they don't. I was very skeptical of season three (which I'm now loving pretty much every frame of) because the mystery had been running for three years. We don't know how long season three will be (and remember, Troseph did tell us that the equal number of entries in season was just a concidience) and I'm sure they'll be more then enough ground to cover the mystery of Hoody's identity and resolve most of the other threads.

Troseph annouced very late into season two about season threee and I think they'd be very wary of doing it again for the fan reaction.

If worst comes to worse and real life intervenes, I'd imagine the boys would annouce their having a 'mid season break' and not another season (which might been a better way to handle their creative break between season two and three. Personally, I think Troseph were a little too honest with us about their creative decisions)

As for....I just feel we haven't been given enough reasons to suspect a particular character of being Hoody or TTA that guessing their identity seems a little reducant. (I know Troseph told us to be wary of body types due to cast avalability), but I don't think they meant to push it that far when Hoody appears to be a guy) Something apparently bad went down during the filming of Marble Hornets and it's understandable the surrivors want revenge on Alex, but a more specific reason to why one person should be Hoody or TTA over another hasn't been provided. But we seemto have reached the part of the story where the atmospherics are over and the clues and red herrings will start to feature.


THANK YOU!!!

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why? we've seen no real reason other than they may be angry and that they are the only other guys we know of.

Masky was easy to guess, and that is fine, but they intentionally made it almost impossible to identify Hoody just by looking at them.

Personally, I think it would be incredibly lame for anyone introduced so far to be hoody/TTA UNLESS:

a) They have a split personality like masky (but that would be overdone)
b) They have a HISTORY we don't know of yet ("My family has been hunting slendy for millennial")

TTA is too important and too manipulative of a character to just be an angry ex friend just because they are the only cast we have

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Just a thought, not a full-out theory, but is there a possibility that if TTA is more than one person, one of the people is somebody unrelated to the original MH?

Like, say it's a duo. TTA #1 is Hoody, the half who was actually at MH. He is the "brawns" of the duo and actually goes out, films Jay and Tim and Alex, has footage from 2006, and wears the outfit. TTA #2 is the "brains", who just stays at home and edits the film and leaves cryptic messages for Jay. He even hacks the account sometimes. Thing is, TTA #2 hasn't ever been exposed to Slendy himself, and he either is too scared to go out or TTA #1 knows what would happen and doesn't want to lose his other half. So TTA #2 is most likely even a new character, someone Jay or Alex or Tim might have never even met or if they did it was through TTA #1 in passing sometime in 2005-2006, before MH even started.

I've sat here since 8:00 trying to explain this as simple as possible. Hopefully that makes sense.

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censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.

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TTA is too important and too manipulative of a character to just be an angry ex friend just because they are the only cast we have


I think they'd be a little more than just angry at Alex for leading them to the middle of nowhere, sacrificing them to an eldritch abomination who broke their minds, and leaving them for dead. Makes perfect sense to me that the ones that survive would go down this sort of road. We know at least the Tim portion of totheark fits this pattern.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
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TTA is too important and too manipulative of a character to just be an angry ex friend just because they are the only cast we have


I think they'd be a little more than just angry at Alex for leading them to the middle of nowhere, sacrificing them to an eldritch abomination who broke their minds, and leaving them for dead. Makes perfect sense to me that the ones that survive would go down this sort of road. We know at least the Tim portion of totheark fits this pattern.


Yes, masky makes sense cuz he is just an angry crazy guy in a mask.

But TTA is too smart, knows too much, and has too much control to just say "so Seth had his memory wiped but saw the tapes and investigated right after Alex left and now he knows everything about TO And is smart enough to manipulate Jay into doing his dirty work"

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censura_umbra wrote:
But TTA is too smart, knows too much, and has too much control to just say "so Seth had his memory wiped but saw the tapes and investigated right after Alex left and now he knows everything about TO And is smart enough to manipulate Jay into doing his dirty work"


I don't see where Tim is proven to differ. He clearly knows a lot, as evidenced by situations where he can manipulate the teleportation feature of Brian's house, or when he lead Jay to the tunnel. He infiltrated Jay's house, ambushed Alex on more than one occasion, tracked Jay to the hotel he was hiding at after the memory loss, and even neutralized Alex when the latter had a gun pointed directly at Jay and Jessica. Plus, he's more than likely responsible for many of the videos on the totheark account. Basically masked Tim isn't shown to be any crazier or less capable of strategy or subtlty than the hooded man, and even when they're not seen together, their MOs are largely the same.

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I guess my issue is that the main protagonist and antagonist aren't always the brightest bulbs in the box. I don't see why their old friends that were not presented in Amy special way, would become so important and knowledgeable. Like I don't see it being inevitable. Troy is going to have to convince me WHY and HOW the MH crew became TTA


Although, if TTA's history and motives are revealed, I don't really care WHO it is. I just want to know WHY and HOW?

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