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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex
14%
 14%  [ 43 ]
Alex
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Tim
23%
 23%  [ 69 ]
Tim
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Brian
20%
 20%  [ 62 ]
Brian
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Seth
7%
 7%  [ 22 ]
Seth
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Jessica
7%
 7%  [ 23 ]
Jessica
0%
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Someone else
26%
 26%  [ 79 ]
Someone else
0%
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Total Votes : 298
 

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Necronoxide
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Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Frankly, I agree with this theory.

Seth wasn't exactly shown much, in fact his cameo in season 3 was already far-fetched enough that it felt like an easter egg rather than any sort of plot involvement. On that note, his "death" wasn't really explained in any way, and if it mirrored Jay's encounter with The Operator in the same room, he may have gotten away. But, we didn't see the operator in Seth's stream so it could've just been some editing (maybe by Alex or TTA) concealing an assault on Seth by Alex just like he assaulted Tim. It would easily follow the time frame that Brian and Tim got attacked at the Hospital.

Brian, however, has had plenty of screen time. Brian's screen time however, showed him getting dragged away in a very dead looking fashion by Alex (You can tell by the shoelaces). Brian seemed to be taken care of AND disposed.

Brian and Seth seem pretty dead to me, and although there seems to be a consensus on here that it is one of them, I feel like they were implied to be dead.

I just think Tim was the lucky one that escaped Alex. But not everyone is that lucky.

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 		Originally, when I said everyone throws out Brian or Seth, I meant they assume he is. Tta

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Necronoxide wrote:
Brian and Seth seem pretty dead to me, and although there seems to be a consensus on here that it is one of them, I feel like they were implied to be dead.

I just think Tim was the lucky one that escaped Alex. But not everyone is that lucky.


I'm not sure. As someone who's watched a HELLUVA lot of movies, TV shows etc, I usually find that a character being 'presumed dead' drastically increases their chances of being reintroduced, usually as a previously anonymous (often masked) character who reveals themselves at the last minute.

MH is still a work of fiction, and these tropes do sometimes apply.

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Gameboy39 wrote:

I'm not sure. As someone who's watched a HELLUVA lot of movies, TV shows etc, I usually find that a character being 'presumed dead' drastically increases their chances of being reintroduced, usually as a previously anonymous (often masked) character who reveals themselves at the last minute.

MH is still a work of fiction, and these tropes do sometimes apply.


Yes but that would be cliche and I am hoping MH offers some more mind blowing originality.

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I don't see why their old friends that were not presented in Amy special way, would become so important and knowledgeable.


They were presented in a special way though, they were confirmed victims of the Operator, sacrificed and left for dead. If they went through anything like Tim did, their minds were broken, their lives most likely ruined. Who's to say that, if they did survive it, they wouldn't walk away with some knowlege that not everyone would have? I don't see how it would be cliche at all for the people who Alex has ruined to attempt to either get revenge or bring him to justice later on. Noteworthy that this whole story involves average people in supernatural situations, there was nothing noticeably special about Jay when he was first introduced either.

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censura_umbra wrote:
Gameboy39 wrote:

I'm not sure. As someone who's watched a HELLUVA lot of movies, TV shows etc, I usually find that a character being 'presumed dead' drastically increases their chances of being reintroduced, usually as a previously anonymous (often masked) character who reveals themselves at the last minute.

MH is still a work of fiction, and these tropes do sometimes apply.


Yes but that would be cliche and I am hoping MH offers some more mind blowing originality.


Well... Here comes the difference between MY idea of originality and YOUR idea of originality that me and Geneaux were discussing earlier.... Sigh...

Something does not have to be extremely over-complicated in order to be "clever" or "original". Also, I wanna rip my hair out every time anybody says that there's absolutely no evidence to prove that Brian (Seth really doesn't, other than him being a camera man) could be TTA. Allow me to put a side by side comparison of Brian and Jessica.

1) The House. Whose house was it? BRIAN'S. Or.... Has there ever been anything that Jessica has been WILLINGLY associated with that has shown any signs of importance to the plot? No. Jessica has been a victim being pushed from one scenario to the next throughout her existence in the story.

2) Hoody/TTA and Masky's partnership. Brian is described BY TIM as being a friend of his. Not only this, but they lived next door to each other. Or... Tim's response to Jay mentioning Jessica in a conversation? Nothing. In any plot (because remember MH IS FICTIONAL) where they wanted to hint that there was a connection between two characters that seemed unconnected there would be SOME clue. But, nope. Nothing. No hesitation from Tim when he mentions Jessica. In fact, there's no emphasis placed on any of the Jessica centered parts of the conversation AT ALL. And, trust me, this is a work of FICTION, there would have been some emphasis placed on it to make us go, "HEY! This part of the conversation seems important!" But, nothing.

3) Their reaction to being deceived by Alex. After Brian is deceived by Alex, what does he do? Becomes very angry and storms through the annex looking for him. Very much unafraid. He doesn't whimper, he doesn't even seem to care. He just seems annoyed and angry. This wouldn't make much of a difference unless compared to.... Jessica. Jessica's reaction? To be obviously confused and scared. But, the icing on the cake? The fact that Jessica even bought the deception in the first place! Also, that she was still more worried about AMY after figuring out she had been deceived than Alex. Then, when a gun's pulled on her? She's terrified. You may say, "Hey, she wanted to keep up appearances!" But, here he is. The guy that you've been HUNTING for THREE YEARS. Pointing a gun in your face and saying he wants to kill you. And not only kill you, but just kill you as an AFTERTHOUGHT. I think that'd be a perfect time to reveal yourself, wouldn't it?

So, there you go.

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 		Well I didn't' ACTUALLY think Jess was TTA. I was just joking (and a little annoyed that she was just a plot device..I hope they bring her back, even if her mind is wiped)

But you did CONVINCE me that Brian is TTA, and his supernatural ability is apparently being angry, courageous and smart as hell.

Though I guess we will have to see what they do. Also, I am not completely convinced there are multiple TTA's. I'd love to hear a convincing argument for it other than the fact that there are other missing characters and that the styles of the videos vary

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Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Almost every day I see you telling people Brian or Seth is dead and every day you have absolutely no hard evidence to back this up. And before you bring up Entry 22, Alex also said Tim and Jay were dead. Unless they're both zombies its not usable evidence.

Give me evidence that one of them is dead.
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censura_umbra wrote:
Well I didn't' ACTUALLY think Jess was TTA. I was just joking (and a little annoyed that she was just a plot device..I hope they bring her back, even if her mind is wiped)

But you did CONVINCE me that Brian is TTA, and his supernatural ability is apparently being angry, courageous and smart as hell.

Though I guess we will have to see what they do. Also, I am not completely convinced there are multiple TTA's. I'd love to hear a convincing argument for it other than the fact that there are other missing characters and that the styles of the videos vary


I wasn't trying to convince anyone that Brian was TTA, because we really don't have much evidence. I WAS just trying to prove that it's sort of silly for people to use the argument "Well, Brian didn't have much evidence to support him!" to say that Jessica is TTA. Jessica has even less reason to be TTA than Brian does! I still believe it comes down to either Brian or Seth as Hoody/TTA.

Also, Brian being connected to the creepy house and having the closest connection to Tim has nothing to do with him being smart, courageous, and angry.

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Drnothing1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Almost every day I see you telling people Brian or Seth is dead and every day you have absolutely no hard evidence to back this up. And before you bring up Entry 22, Alex also said Tim and Jay were dead. Unless they're both zombies its not usable evidence.

Give me evidence that one of them is dead.


Brian and Seth are not important characters. If one or both of them were responsible for ToTheArk, it would be like saying "the butler did it."

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Serum wrote:
Drnothing1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Almost every day I see you telling people Brian or Seth is dead and every day you have absolutely no hard evidence to back this up. And before you bring up Entry 22, Alex also said Tim and Jay were dead. Unless they're both zombies its not usable evidence.

Give me evidence that one of them is dead.


Brian and Seth are not important characters. If one or both of them were responsible for ToTheArk, it would be like saying "the butler did it."


Using that logic, any character other than Jay, Alex, or Tim would be like saying the butler did it.

Those three are the only really developed characters so far in the series.

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 		Well they spent a bit more time on brian's character than they did on Seth's. Brian is in quite a few entries where he's just talking normally. It wouldn't be like saying "The butler did it" because there's some focus on the character. We saw how he interacted with Alex and how he interacted with Tim. It would be strange if some unknown character came in likewise because why? Why does he care about this?

It's kind of been established that totheark has knowledge about Alex and Jay and Tim and it's seems a bit more personal. If they reveal totheark to be some random person we don't know I think that will cheapen it. Sure he could be some unknown stalked that is involved in this because of his vendetta or whatever against the operator. But that seems silly within the narrative. The characters interact with people in their circle and they rarely go out of that circle and with all the knowledge totheark has I can't see him being out of that circle. Plus if totheark is Brian he has a reason to get at Alex. Alex might be responsible for the way he is, Alex tried to kill masky and Jay, both people who could help him against the operator.

And wouldn't it be interesting to realize the transformation Brian (if it is him which I seriously think it is) had to go through to become totheark? He went from being this nice, but kind of sarcastic guy to a crazy guy who borders on being a terrorist. That's pretty cool in itself. You don't have any character development if some outside person comes up. That's what makes a villain (I do consider totheark a villain in some ways) interesting.

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Serum wrote:
Drnothing1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Almost every day I see you telling people Brian or Seth is dead and every day you have absolutely no hard evidence to back this up. And before you bring up Entry 22, Alex also said Tim and Jay were dead. Unless they're both zombies its not usable evidence.

Give me evidence that one of them is dead.


Brian and Seth are not important characters. If one or both of them were responsible for ToTheArk, it would be like saying "the butler did it."


So you expect them to introduce a new character, but that won't make it feel like a "the butler did it" explanation? This makes perfect sense.
You also never told me any reason to believe that Brian, the main protagonist in Marble Hornets, who was brought back predominately in Entry 51 is dead. It would make perfect sense to show Entry 51 as a reminder of a previously lesser used character. Or there is Seth, who was brought back in Entry 54 and 22 even though he was never originally written in the script, once again reminding the audience of his presence in the shooting and activities of Marble Hornets. Once they reveal who is ToTheArk, they can dive much further into the character's persona then prior to a reveal.
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Drnothing1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
Drnothing1 wrote:
Serum wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:

Everyone insstantly throws out Brian or Seth, but why?


Because nobody cares about Brian or Seth. They were extremely minor characters who got killed off. Presumably because they were so uninteresting.


Almost every day I see you telling people Brian or Seth is dead and every day you have absolutely no hard evidence to back this up. And before you bring up Entry 22, Alex also said Tim and Jay were dead. Unless they're both zombies its not usable evidence.

Give me evidence that one of them is dead.


Brian and Seth are not important characters. If one or both of them were responsible for ToTheArk, it would be like saying "the butler did it."


So you expect them to introduce a new character, but that won't make it feel like a "the butler did it" explanation? This makes perfect sense.
You also never told me any reason to believe that Brian, the main protagonist in Marble Hornets, who was brought back predominately in Entry 51 is dead. It would make perfect sense to show Entry 51 as a reminder of a previously lesser used character. Or there is Seth, who was brought back in Entry 54 and 22 even though he was never originally written in the script, once again reminding the audience of his presence in the shooting and activities of Marble Hornets. Once they reveal who is ToTheArk, they can dive much further into the character's persona then prior to a reveal.


This brings up a good point. Most of this series is based on past events that are completely unknown (even to the protagonist) until secret tapes are revealed. MH can go in ANY direction they want. All they have to do is produce convincing tapes to that lead up to that point. Hell, TTA could be a whole other creature, like an Anti-Slendy and it would be believable as long as they produced proper past tapes.

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 		I JUST realized something that points to Brian being TTA even more (probably more than any thing else)

Tim said he and Brian were friends! (Before MH) Maybe even CHILDHOOD friends!

It is completely possible that Brian watched Tim grow up, getting sick and sometimes wandering to the woods. Maybe he caught a glimpse of TO from afar or something. Then all was good until BRIAN invited Tim to be on the cast of MH!

Brian realized that they all were being stalked by TO because they were connected to Marble Hornets and Alex. It was BRIAN's fault that Tim was attacked by Alex, that TO made Tim sicker. So, like Jay's motivation, Brian feels GUILTY.

So that is why he takes care of Tim, they were best friends. Brian watched Tim and was able to study the Operator's affect on Tim since Tim was a child. He knows everything Alex does and more.

So TTA/Brian's objective is to destroy TO / stop Alex so that he can protect Tim and stop feeling guilty and protect his friend!
I think at this point, Brian has to be TTA. Or at least the MAIN part of TTA (for you multi-TTA fans)

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