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Drnothing1 wrote:
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One more thought I had:
They once delayed an entry for a week or two so that Joseph could order an exact replica jacket so there were no discontinuities in the videos. Do you honestly think they'd make such a novice error?

Why would they have to order another jacket? Also great entry.

Joseph was moving and the jacket was lost during the moving. The entry they were filming took place the same day as a previous entry so it would be a discontinuity error if he went from one jacket to another over the period of a few seconds.

That stinks. I hope they find it, it is The Jacket, after all.


It was 38/50... so that's a little irelephant now.

We can always hope Razz

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 		If they ever find the other one I want it. Razz

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Jay can't be totally immune to the sickness, he's experienced it multiple times in the series, and by that I mean more than just coughing.


like what? never coughed up blood or tried to "take" anyone (or else he'd have footage of it) - and those are the real symptoms. memory loss is a short term effect of being near the operator, the sickness is long term


There's not really enough evidence prove anything about the nature of "slender-sickness;" we don't know anything about the causes, or what certain symptoms indicate, or which "symptoms" are from the sickness and which are from something more direct. There's just not enough to know.

Here's what we do know. Certain characters seem to exhibit suspicious symptoms, most notably the coughing, but including memory loss, paranoia, aggression & violent behavior, multiple personalities, seizures, trance-like states, and others.

What we don't know is what causes any of the symptoms. Exposure to the Operator seems to have something to do with it, and mere exposure seems to be enough to cause coughing, but we don't know enough to say that certain symptoms are "short- or long-term" symptoms. Aggression, violence, and the impulse to "take" people might be symptoms from exposure, but they could just as easily be the result of direct manipulation of the mind by a malevolent Operator.

Even if all of these come just from passive exposure, we don't know if the different symptoms we see in different characters should be explained by length of exposure or proximity or the character's other health factors. Heck, Tim's seizures could have been pre-existing. Some of the symptoms, like memory loss, have been known to happen without any Operator sighting, especially when Jay interacts with Masky or Hoody or TTA (if TTA isn't Hoody), like during that 17-19ish stretch at the House where Brian was supposed to be.

Some people think that the fact of coughing or sickness in itself indicates the Operator's presence, but that's fallacious logic. Lots of characters, like Tim, Jessica, and Alex, have seemed to cause electronic distortion in the footage, for example, so assuming that every bit of distortion or visual tearing means that the Operator is present is unwarranted. Likewise, we don't know that the sickness itself is caused by the Operator. It certainly seems to trace to him, but it's equally possible that it could be spread by secondary carriers, i.e., exposure to Tim could cause a third party to display symptoms.

The point is, until we are given some information about what the Operator wants and what he does to people, we can't know what symptoms come from passive exposure and which ones come from more direct intervention. Until we know who TTA is and what he's capable of, if anything, in a supernatural sense, we can't know what symptoms come from exposure to him or his minions rather than the Operator, if any. There are just too many variables to make these sorts of assumptions about who's sick and who's immune and why. We need more information.



well i was saying that jay has only coughed and had memory loss. both of which happen in the presence of the operator (shown by brian in entry 51 and jay not remembering entries with the operator in them) - but jay never coughs up blood or acts as sick as tim was in entry 20 which is where you can tell the sickness was getting really bad.

whereas we see alex and tim both go through that after long exposure. the fact that jay hasn't coughed up blood or acted malicious is enough proof to me that he's immune since it's been almost 3 years since he first encountered the operator. nobody's ever coughed up blood in the presence of the operator or got extremely sick when he's nearby. to me there's immediate effects and long term effects. jay is the variable here, and the fact that he doesn't go through the symptoms that people who have been in it longer than him are goin through, that's enough proof for me.

im not arguing i'm just saying that's the way i see things, don't post back reiterating what you said in that last post because my opinion is grounded

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pravado wrote:
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Jay can't be totally immune to the sickness, he's experienced it multiple times in the series, and by that I mean more than just coughing.


like what? never coughed up blood or tried to "take" anyone (or else he'd have footage of it) - and those are the real symptoms. memory loss is a short term effect of being near the operator, the sickness is long term


He has all the basic symptoms of slendysickness, doesn't he? Seizures don't count because the only person we've seen with those was Tim, and that's probably from prolonged Oppy exposure. And the coughing up blood thing also only happened once with Alex, so we can't really confirm that as a normal symptom of slendysickness. Besides, Alex had been exposed to TO more closely and for a longer period of time, and it could just be an extreme form of a coughing fit.

Besides those two (more extreme) symptoms, Jay has had insomnia, sleepwalking/trances, coughing fits, headaches, memory loss (not always shown to be related to direct Operator exposure) and paranoia. Jessica also had many of these, and I don't think she was immune to TO...

EDIT: Jay has definitely been close to how Tim was in #20 (you also have to account for Tim's prolonged Oppy exposure). Hasn't he collapsed in coughing fits at least once, possibly more?
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 		Man, the "I just woke up and whoa, what happened" footage from Jay seriously triggered my motion sickness issue that I get with a lot of "shaky-cam" movies. Gah. I probably felt as bad as Jay or Tim there.

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Like anyone gives a shit, but I'll just say I'm not fond of the complaints about OMG The Wait. There was a RL move involving Troy and Tim, and then on the way to a shoot, Joseph and Tim got broadsided by some jerk in a truck who ran a red light (and flipped said truck!), smashing up Tim's car. So yeah, stressful shit going on.

And apparently I can't quote in a spoiler box without it showing up, so going back to Justiceface's comments about Tim looking handsome at the end of the entry - Hell yeah!

Between him and Noah Maxwell in TribeTwelve, I need some tips on what hair products these guys use - I'm female but my hair goes frizzy if humidity even thinks about forming. (NB: Noah has said before in a Formspring chat, IIRC, that he just shampoos it or something, so he's no help. And he's shorn those long locks shorter since before the latest videos resumed, sadly.)


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If they ever find the other one I want it. Razz

I would actually pay them a lot to have The Jacket. Although I'm just gonna get my own anyways Razz . I thought it was a Members Only jacket, but I just found out that it's actually a London Fog.

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pravado wrote:

whereas we see alex and tim both go through that after long exposure. the fact that jay hasn't coughed up blood or acted malicious is enough proof to me that he's immune since it's been almost 3 years since he first encountered the operator. nobody's ever coughed up blood in the presence of the operator or got extremely sick when he's nearby. to me there's immediate effects and long term effects. jay is the variable here, and the fact that he doesn't go through the symptoms that people who have been in it longer than him are goin through, that's enough proof for me.

im not arguing i'm just saying that's the way i see things, don't post back reiterating what you said in that last post because my opinion is grounded


So you think that the sickness comes pretty much from long exposure. Okay, that theory's fine; it's just a little post hoc ergo propter hoc for my taste and your first comment was so matter-of-fact that it seemed like you thought it was certain.

I am curious, though, about your idea of a timetable. How long do you think somebody has to be exposed for them to get the severe symptoms? Sounds like you think it would be earlier than 3 years. Does that mean that you interpret "enttry 37" as an indication that the Operator was around Alex as a child? If it doesn't mean that, then Alex's first exposure would have been 3 years ago. If that's the case, then Jay's response over 3 years is different from Alex's. What I'm asking is, if Alex and Tim were exposed from childhood, then what if it takes more than three years to show symptoms? I'm just trying to get your sense of the timeline.

I don't know why you're sensitive to discussion; while I don't buy the long-exposure theory, I don't think it's unreasonable. Relax, friend.

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Jingleman wrote:
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whereas we see alex and tim both go through that after long exposure. the fact that jay hasn't coughed up blood or acted malicious is enough proof to me that he's immune since it's been almost 3 years since he first encountered the operator. nobody's ever coughed up blood in the presence of the operator or got extremely sick when he's nearby. to me there's immediate effects and long term effects. jay is the variable here, and the fact that he doesn't go through the symptoms that people who have been in it longer than him are goin through, that's enough proof for me.

im not arguing i'm just saying that's the way i see things, don't post back reiterating what you said in that last post because my opinion is grounded


So you think that the sickness comes pretty much from long exposure. Okay, that theory's fine; it's just a little post hoc ergo propter hoc for my taste and your first comment was so matter-of-fact that it seemed like you thought it was certain.

I am curious, though, about your idea of a timetable. How long do you think somebody has to be exposed for them to get the severe symptoms? Sounds like you think it would be earlier than 3 years. Does that mean that you interpret "enttry 37" as an indication that the Operator was around Alex as a child? If it doesn't mean that, then Alex's first exposure would have been 3 years ago. If that's the case, then Jay's response over 3 years is different from Alex's. What I'm asking is, if Alex and Tim were exposed from childhood, then what if it takes more than three years to show symptoms? I'm just trying to get your sense of the timeline.

I don't know why you're sensitive to discussion; while I don't buy the long-exposure theory, I don't think it's unreasonable. Relax, friend.


Actually, Alex and Jay's first exposure would be 6 years ago.

Seeing as Alex was the director and Jay was just helping out, and Alex (and possibly Tim), but not Jay are the only ones who actually remember TO, I'd say Alex was probably more exposed to him than Jay.

Also, remember that TO was already stalking Alex at home in 2006, but didn't start stalking Jay at home until 2009, and never to the degree Alex was stalked. It makes sense that by 2009 (or whenever the "coughing up blood" entry happened), Alex would have worse slendersickness than Jay, but I don't think it has to do with "immunity".
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 		comeon man i'm not that dumb obv i know that stuff :p

but alex was showing blood coming out of his head in entry 14 which was in 2006.

so while jay may not be immune, it's most likely to me since i don't think it'd take more than 3 years for the operator sickness to fully take effect

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pravado wrote:
comeon man i'm not that dumb obv i know that stuff :p

but alex was showing blood coming out of his head in entry 14 which was in 2006.

so while jay may not be immune, it's most likely to me since i don't think it'd take more than 3 years for the operator sickness to fully take effect


I was always under the impression that the blood on his head was from a physical wound (I think some people said it could have been the mysterious bullet from #16, but I don't think so.) Maybe he hit his head while collapsing from a coughing fit? Who knows. And also, wouldn't that fall under the category of direct Operator exposure, not slendysickness?

But I double-checked the entry with the coughing up blood, and yep, Alex didn't start coughing up blood until entry #44, which took place in 2010. By then, it had been 4 years since Alex's first exposure. Also, until entry #60, Jay hadn't been exposed to TO for over a year. Since Jay wasn't nearly as exposed to TO as Alex during the filming of Marble Hornets, he'd be way behind Alex in terms of length of time exposed to TO. So I think THAT's why his slendersickness isn't as bad, but he's still showing all the main symptoms.
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Actually, Alex and Jay's first exposure would be 6 years ago.

Seeing as Alex was the director and Jay was just helping out, and Alex (and possibly Tim), but not Jay are the only ones who actually remember TO, I'd say Alex was probably more exposed to him than Jay.

Also, remember that TO was already stalking Alex at home in 2006, but didn't start stalking Jay at home until 2009, and never to the degree Alex was stalked. It makes sense that by 2009 (or whenever the "coughing up blood" entry happened), Alex would have worse slendersickness than Jay, but I don't think it has to do with "immunity".


Derp. Yeah, six years. I'm still a little unsure about how much involvement Jay had with the original film shoot. He implies that he wasn't around very much, but we saw him in a good bit of the behind-the-scenes footage, and there were a couple of times that we saw him there that he didn't remember.

I dunno, I think that any number of factors, including length and intensity of exposure, and intentional supernatural attacks could be in play here, but if length of the exposure is all that matters, then the theory has to account for the difference in Jay and Alex's symptoms. So that means immunity. I'm just trying to get some clarity on the theory.

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 		well that's not true because he tweeted at some point he was having trouble sleeping and felt really sick so the operator was still onto him

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Actually, Alex and Jay's first exposure would be 6 years ago.

Seeing as Alex was the director and Jay was just helping out, and Alex (and possibly Tim), but not Jay are the only ones who actually remember TO, I'd say Alex was probably more exposed to him than Jay.

Also, remember that TO was already stalking Alex at home in 2006, but didn't start stalking Jay at home until 2009, and never to the degree Alex was stalked. It makes sense that by 2009 (or whenever the "coughing up blood" entry happened), Alex would have worse slendersickness than Jay, but I don't think it has to do with "immunity".


Derp. Yeah, six years. I'm still a little unsure about how much involvement Jay had with the original film shoot. He implies that he wasn't around very much, but we saw him in a good bit of the behind-the-scenes footage, and there were a couple of times that we saw him there that he didn't remember.

I dunno, I think that any number of factors, including length and intensity of exposure, and intentional supernatural attacks could be in play here, but if length of the exposure is all that matters, then the theory has to account for the difference in Jay and Alex's symptoms. So that means immunity. I'm just trying to get some clarity on the theory.


But if he's experiencing all the main symptoms, wouldn't that mean he's NOT immune? And what about the characters who were around Oppy who had even FEWER symptoms, like Sarah, Brian, Seth, and Jessica?

And also, like I said, Alex was stalked at home in 2006, but Jay wasn't stalked at home until 2009. That means Alex's sledysickness has probably just progressed more than Jay's has. And IIRC (someone correct me if I'm wrong), almost all the tapes from 2006 (excepting Exit) have Alex in them, but many do not have Jay in them. So I do think Alex was exposed more on set than Jay (consider entry #7 and entry #9.)

And I do think degree of exposure IS a factor. Jay runs away from Oppy almost every time (I think #50 was the only exception), but we've seen Alex either not run or seem to look for/approach Oppy. Plus that weird "self-sacrifice" thing in #42 or #43. In fact, that could have been what caused Alex to cough up blood. Basically, overall Alex has been around Oppy more often, for longer periods of time, and at a closer distance than Jay.

And he said he was having trouble and feeling sick, but those would be symptoms of slendersickness. And we don't know that Oppy was there for sure. And even if he was, that's still two periods of several months without Oppy exposure, so...
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 		When Masky saw Jay, and charged, I laughed out loud. I couldn't help it, it was just such a Masky thing to do.

I also thought it looked similar to Slender. I dunno that it was on purpose, but when he's swinging the camera around, and when it's getting staticy-er when it's aimed towards where Masky was last seen, that really seemed similar to the game.

Of course, any Slendy-series/game/anything that takes place in the woods at night is gonna be similar to any other one, so eh.


I am in the camp that Jay didn't upload. Pretty much as soon as I saw there was no text at the end, or uploader comments, I thought that.
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Actually, Alex and Jay's first exposure would be 6 years ago.

Seeing as Alex was the director and Jay was just helping out, and Alex (and possibly Tim), but not Jay are the only ones who actually remember TO, I'd say Alex was probably more exposed to him than Jay.

Also, remember that TO was already stalking Alex at home in 2006, but didn't start stalking Jay at home until 2009, and never to the degree Alex was stalked. It makes sense that by 2009 (or whenever the "coughing up blood" entry happened), Alex would have worse slendersickness than Jay, but I don't think it has to do with "immunity".


Derp. Yeah, six years. I'm still a little unsure about how much involvement Jay had with the original film shoot. He implies that he wasn't around very much, but we saw him in a good bit of the behind-the-scenes footage, and there were a couple of times that we saw him there that he didn't remember.

I dunno, I think that any number of factors, including length and intensity of exposure, and intentional supernatural attacks could be in play here, but if length of the exposure is all that matters, then the theory has to account for the difference in Jay and Alex's symptoms. So that means immunity. I'm just trying to get some clarity on the theory.


But if he's experiencing all the main symptoms, wouldn't that mean he's NOT immune? And what about the characters who were around Oppy who had even FEWER symptoms, like Sarah, Brian, Seth, and Jessica?

And also, like I said, Alex was stalked at home in 2006, but Jay wasn't stalked at home until 2009. That means Alex's sledysickness has probably just progressed more than Jay's has. And IIRC (someone correct me if I'm wrong), almost all the tapes from 2006 (excepting Exit) have Alex in them, but many do not have Jay in them. So I do think Alex was exposed more on set than Jay (consider entry #7 and entry #9.)

And I do think degree of exposure IS a factor. Jay runs away from Oppy almost every time (I think #50 was the only exception), but we've seen Alex either not run or seem to look for/approach Oppy. Plus that weird "self-sacrifice" thing in #42 or #43. In fact, that could have been what caused Alex to cough up blood. Basically, overall Alex has been around Oppy more often, for longer periods of time, and at a closer distance than Jay.

And he said he was having trouble and feeling sick, but those would be symptoms of slendersickness. And we don't know that Oppy was there for sure. And even if he was, that's still two periods of several months without Oppy exposure, so...


This is exactly what my original point was. There are just too many variables at this point for me to accept any grand unified theory on slender sickness. I just wish we knew more about the nature of the Operator. Then some of these other mysteries would fall into place.

The real point of this discussion, anyway, is to figure out if Jay's coughing fit in this entry implies anything about the time between the chase and Hoodie Hut. I don't know. I wonder if it's related to Tim grabbing his head upon waking - maybe he was feeling sick, too? Also note that the last time we heard from Jay in 60.5, he was coughing as well.

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