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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex

14%

[ 43 ]

Alex

[ 0 ]

Tim

23%

[ 69 ]

Tim

[ 0 ]

Brian

20%

[ 62 ]

Brian

[ 0 ]

Seth

[ 22 ]

Seth

[ 0 ]

Jessica

[ 23 ]

Jessica

[ 0 ]

Someone else

26%

[ 79 ]

Someone else

[ 0 ]

Total Votes : 298

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Exetera
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Location: Where the rain is

Jingleman wrote:

I am not sure which videos you are referring to as "clearly" from Masky's point of view, but I find no TTA video so obviously attributable.

I consider "Signal", with its closing titles of Come back/find me as extremely strong evidence; Jay does in fact find Masky upon coming back, so unless you're arguing that TTA tried to appear as well and failed, this entry is written from Tim's point of view. It also seems likely that Masky filmed the footage for "Addition", since he was twice found living in the house.

Jingleman wrote:

I readily grant that at various times, Masky and TTA have been in league, but since it became clear that Masky wasn't TTA, I have thought of him as something of a minion or lackey to TTA. This seems to jive with his almost feral personality, which was always difficult to reconcile with the technical savvy in the early days when Masky as TTA was the only real theory.

I am not entirely sure why you draw a distinction between Masky being a lackey of TTA versus being part of TTA; in either case, the channel represents the work of multiple people. I do agree that Masky was probably never a TTA editor himself, as Tim told us recently he's not experienced with video editing.

Jingleman wrote:

It also accounts for the portrayal of Masky in "Entry######," which I interpret as TTA threatening to send Masky after Jay. It almost looks as if Masky is struggling against TTA's control, then succumbing to it and preparing to go after Jay.

Except that, in recent encounters, Masky has been nothing but helpful to Jay. Instead his issue seems to be with Alex.

Jingleman wrote:

It also accounts for the disregard for Tim's health in 61, and allows for TTA to be in control and active during Tim's lucid periods.

The prevailing theory seems to be that one function of the pills is to suppress Tim's Masky personality. I would thus not expect a friend of Masky to leave Tim his pills.

Jingleman wrote:

With regard to the claim that Jay makes that the styles have changed enough to deduce more than one creator of the clips, I find the TTA videos, from the very beginning, to be of quite erratic style. Some use stock footage, others show us footage from the present day characters, some use binary or code, others spell out messages directly, and so on. If we thought that such stylistic changes indicated different "members" of a group, we'd have to think that TTA is dozens of people, all equally crazy. Possible, but unlikely. Besides, Jay has been wrong before.

Or TTA's editor experimented with style when he was starting out, perhaps? I'd like to note that among the later videos (ie. Season 2 forward) there are in fact two extremely distinctive styles; one uses primarily handicam footage or self-created footage and always uses the pseudo-VCR font, and the other uses primarily stock footage or modified images and does not use the pseudo-VCR font. There is only one video with any crossover at all; this is "Forecast", which uses the pseudo-VCR font for the code numbers but not the titles and has both stock and self-created footage. I have not sufficiently reviewed TTA's earlier videos to come to a conclusion about them; I will accept for now your assertion that there is no coherent style, but I may review them later. Does anyone remember when Jay said that he noticed two different styles?

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:31 am

Jingleman
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Exetera wrote:

Those titles in "Signal" are certainly the strongest evidence that Masky is TTA. They are probably the reason Jay thought as much around the time of 19. However, in retrospect, it seems to me that another interpretation might be warranted here: when TTA said "me" in the video, he meant himself, someone other than Masky, probably whomever is Hoody, and Jay was intended to go to the house, where Masky was to tackle him and bring him to TTA. It's a technique used by bad guys like mob bosses in all kinds of action stories; protagonist is called for a meeting at some known location, lackeys jump him and knock him out, and bring him to the secret lair. It explains the apparent attack and why Masky has subsequently been more helpful: TTA isn't trying to get Jay to come to him anymore. Jay thwarted it, and so tactics changed.

I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying that even this strongest evidence is open to interpretation. Certainly, the Jay-TTA-Masky dynamic has changed, maybe this is why.

Masky filming some footage, if it wasn't Hoody, who we've seen doing this before, does not mean he's not a minion of TTA.

Exetera wrote:

Actually, I think that this distinction is the crux of the many-vs-one debate. We know, as certainly as such things can be known, that Masky and Hoody were both in some way involved with one another and with the TTA channel. The multi-TTA theory posits that they are both members of some sort of organization that, while it may not be too formal, would be structured enough to have a name and purpose to which they assent.

The single-TTA theory holds that there is one person who is TTA, probably Hoody, and that person runs the show. Specifically, TTA would be the one actually editing and posting the videos, regardless of where the footage comes from. Everybody else who might film some footage, commit B&E or assault, or otherwise creep everyone out, is a minion under the control of TTA. This distinction accounts for the coming and going of Masky as Tim's mental health fluctuates, and would allow for other characters to have sporadic involvement with TTA (including those pesky "Jay is in TTA!" theories), while allowing the personality and motives of TTA to remain constant and in play. The single-TTA theory, most importantly, does not require other characters, like Masky, to be savvy or knowledgeable enough to voluntarily join a group; they are simply forced or manipulated, supernaturally or otherwise, a la 61.

Exetera wrote:

Except that, in recent encounters, Masky has been nothing but helpful to Jay. Instead his issue seems to be with Alex.

I agree that Masky seems more benevolent than he initially did. If single-TTA theory is true, then this can be explained either by (a) Masky being released from TTA's control and no longer being associated with TTA or (b) the motives or tactics of TTA have changed, and so he's using Masky differently. I'm not sure that I see the relevance, as multi-TTA theory must also account for this change. That idea I had above about the initial contact in 18 being motivated by a meeting might help explain the change if it's true.

Exetera wrote:

The prevailing theory seems to be that one function of the pills is to suppress Tim's Masky personality. I would thus not expect a friend of Masky to leave Tim his pills.

I might characterize it as a "side-effect" rather than a "function," but I think that the more relevant issue is that TTA, or Hoody, is not a "friend of Masky," rather, a master or leader, to whom Masky, and by extension, Tim, is a mere pawn. The callousness with which Hoody presents Tim's episode reminds me of a hundred movie Big Bads carelessly tossing minions to their deaths just to test today's Death Ray 2000 or to show the hero that he can kill as many as he wants without averting the Plan. I don't think it's great evidence either way, though, as both a single- and multi-TTA, if they wanted to use Masky, would need to get rid of those pills.

Exetera wrote:

Or TTA's editor experimented with style when he was starting out, perhaps? I'd like to note that among the later videos (ie. Season 2 forward) there are in fact two extremely distinctive styles; one uses primarily handicam footage or self-created footage and always uses the pseudo-VCR font, and the other uses primarily stock footage or modified images and does not use the pseudo-VCR font. There is only one video with any crossover at all; this is "Forecast", which uses the pseudo-VCR font for the code numbers and has both stock and self-created footage. I have not sufficiently reviewed TTA's earlier videos to come to a conclusion about them; I will accept for now your assertion that there is no coherent style, but I may review them later.

I re-watched all the "season 1" TTA videos tonight, and I may continue to review the others, time permitting, but I think that your point here adds to evidence that there is only one TTA. If we are to believe that this is one coherent story, we must take the whole body of work together. The fact that there are a number of different styles in the TTA videos, and always have been, shows that there is either one, or dozens of TTA's. The fact that there is a recent video with a "crossover" in style shows that there is one TTA who continues to draw from any style that suits his purpose. If there weren't any "crossover," then maybe I would consider dismissing the early videos as something different or experimentation or multiple personalities or whatever, but as it is, it looks to me to be nearly as erratic as it ever was. If anything, a stabilization of style could be more easily explained as an attempt to better get through to Jay, more than many different editors.

Look, I'm not saying that single-TTA theory is perfect, just that it's not unreasonable. Multi-TTA has its problems, too. I lean toward the single theory at this point, but I'm not being close-minded about it. Anyway, thanks for discussing this with me in such detail; the best way to learn is to press and prod and poke a theory until we've hammered out the weaknesses.

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:36 am
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Stravaganti456
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Joined: 02 Sep 2012
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Honestly...

I believe that Jessica is totheark. However I also believe that Jessica is Hoody, which also means I believe Hoody is totheark.

I may have just confused myself.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:54 am

fezstudios
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Joined: 22 Jul 2012
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I think we can be quite sure that hoody is a guy, judging by what we've seen of them.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:13 pm

Stravaganti456
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fezstudios wrote:

I think we can be quite sure that hoody is a guy, judging by what we've seen of them.

he/she is kind of wearing a big sweater so I don't think we could really tell.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:17 pm

Drnothing1
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Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Posts: 146

Widened shoulders and a decent build.... totally one of all 3 girls we've been introduced to.

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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:21 pm

CraicIsMighty
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Posts: 497

Drnothing1 wrote:

Widened shoulders and a decent build.... totally one of all 3 girls we've been introduced to.

Hoodie didn't look too buff in Entry 45.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:46 pm

Drnothing1
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Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Posts: 146

CraicIsMighty wrote:

Drnothing1 wrote:

Widened shoulders and a decent build.... totally one of all 3 girls we've been introduced to.

Hoodie didn't look too buff in Entry 45.

It's a matter of opinion, but there still hasn't been any notable female roles. Amy was only in one entry and hasn't played any major role aside from a minor plot point. Sarah hasn't even been referenced since season 1. And finally, Jessica was tied into Amy's plot point and used to show Jay his actions are effecting more than just himself. With Brian we know he was the main protagonist in Marble Hornets and so he must be closely tied with said filming along with his "death" scene in 51, reminding the audience of Alex's psychosis along with Brian's involvement. Seth came back in in season 3 and had a "death" scene as well.

I put quotes around death because I highly doubt they actually died.

>Inb4 new character

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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:09 pm

McGregor
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Joined: 30 Mar 2011
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Stravaganti456 wrote:

fezstudios wrote:

I think we can be quite sure that hoody is a guy, judging by what we've seen of them.

he/she is kind of wearing a big sweater so I don't think we could really tell.

So you're saying that Jessica=Hoody=TTA. How can that even be possible?

TTA has been present since almost the beginning before Jessica was even introduced. The only reason she was involved was because of Amy disappearing, which was way after TTA made its first appearance.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:40 pm

paladin181
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Joined: 14 Nov 2011
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McGregor wrote:

Stravaganti456 wrote:

fezstudios wrote:

I think we can be quite sure that hoody is a guy, judging by what we've seen of them.

he/she is kind of wearing a big sweater so I don't think we could really tell.

Unless she is TTA which means she's been around since season 1. It's not impossible that TTA is someone completely new to the series as far as characters go too. However, I believe the impact will be bigger if it is a member of the cast we've been previously introduced to. Maybe it's Bruce..? Razz

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:18 pm

CraicIsMighty
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Drnothing1 wrote:

CraicIsMighty wrote:

Drnothing1 wrote:

Widened shoulders and a decent build.... totally one of all 3 girls we've been introduced to.

Hoodie didn't look too buff in Entry 45.

Seth only appeared for about half a minute at most this season, and the season most likely isn't even half over yet. Sarah still has time to reappear. Also, Sarah was the leading lady of Alex Kralie's marble hornets, yet we only see her on camera once. Doesn't that seem somewhat suspicious in itself? Also, Sarah and Jay are the only two in Alex's "gone" speech who we didn't actually see get sacrificed, and Jay and Hoodie are the only two who seem somewhat more resistant to slendy sickness. We know very little about Amy or what happened to her. Even Alex doesn't seem to know. (Although, he could admittedly be lying about that) She could be pretty much anyone. Also, she has some circumstantial evidence in her favor- Hoodie first appeared only a few weeks after she disappeared. Jessica mentioned that she had dreams that slendy was stalking her as a child, and she and Tim are both from Rosswood Town. She could also have an alter-masky state, which could explain her disappearance in entry 33. She could have switched to being Hoodie and left Jay the safe code before leaving and setting Tim loose. There's also the possibility that Hoodie is a character that we haven't met yet, though I doubt it. Frankly, I don't understand why you use "the lack of notable female roles" as evidence that Hoodie can absolutely not be a girl. Until MH is over, we can't really judge how important any of their roles were because their roles likely aren't done yet. None of them have been confirmed dead. It's annoying how hasty people are to write the girls off as damsels and plot devices. Your logic is basically that a girl can't be important unless she does something on screen first, even though Tim didn't really do anything in season 1 before he was revealed to be masky in season 2. And a big motif in MH is that what happens off screen is just as important as what happens on screen.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:34 pm

fezstudios
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Drnothing1 wrote:

Widened shoulders and a decent build.... totally one of all 3 girls we've been introduced to.

You took the words right out of me mouth.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:42 pm

Lithp
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Quote:

It's annoying how hasty people are to write the girls off as damsels and plot devices.

Slendervlogs are very androcentric. It's an understandable reaction.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:11 pm

Serum
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Lithp wrote:

Quote:

It's annoying how hasty people are to write the girls off as damsels and plot devices.

Slendervlogs are very androcentric. It's an understandable reaction.

Do you really think the Slender Man/Operator would dare mess with a woman? He'd be hanging upside-down by his toe-nails while she beats him with a frying pan over how bad of a headache she has because it's 'that time of the month.'

...at least, that's how all the women in my life treat me.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:36 pm

SomeUnfictionDude
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Who The (Bleep) Is totheark?!?!?!

I think totheark is multiple people. The main ones I think are Brian, Seth, Jessica, Amy, Sarah, & possibly others we don't even know. I also think that totheark is against The Operator & Alex, because of his working it, & trying to help Jay. I also, also think that Hoody represents totheark & that all the members dress up in the Hoody costume, when going around & doing totheark stuff, to hide their identity.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:23 pm

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