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Wow... seriously parts of this thread were physically painful to read.

Tim wasn't blind, night tends to be dark, and jay likely shut the side led screen and used the viewfinder which usually also has an led screen in it with newer camera models. He also covered the red blinking light.


Wow, that's kind of harsh. Not to drudge up nit-picky theories all over again, but this one wasn't unreasonable. We've seen Jay's camera before, haven't we? It's one of the new consumer HD ones, like Sony's Handycam line, right? Those don't have viewfinders other than the LCD screen. Neither do the Panasonic ones. At least, I thought that was what he was using; don't have time right now to look for a screenshot. Many of the camcorders with viewfinders are much more expensive, like "procorder" quality. Until we see a screenshot to the contrary, I'd like to keep an open mind, because it means something either way: either Tim is too out of his mind as Masky to notice a glowing camcorder screen, or Jay has learned enough caution to cleverly use his camera without giving himself away. Both possibilities are interesting character points.

Maybe we don't need to jump to conclusions and shoot down people who want to look at things a little closer. You know, we could all just get along or something.

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Jingleman wrote:
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Wow... seriously parts of this thread were physically painful to read.

Tim wasn't blind, night tends to be dark, and jay likely shut the side led screen and used the viewfinder which usually also has an led screen in it with newer camera models. He also covered the red blinking light.


Wow, that's kind of harsh. Not to drudge up nit-picky theories all over again, but this one wasn't unreasonable. We've seen Jay's camera before, haven't we? It's one of the new consumer HD ones, like Sony's Handycam line, right? Those don't have viewfinders other than the LCD screen. Neither do the Panasonic ones. At least, I thought that was what he was using; don't have time right now to look for a screenshot. Many of the camcorders with viewfinders are much more expensive, like "procorder" quality. Until we see a screenshot to the contrary, I'd like to keep an open mind, because it means something either way: either Tim is too out of his mind as Masky to notice a glowing camcorder screen, or Jay has learned enough caution to cleverly use his camera without giving himself away. Both possibilities are interesting character points.

Maybe we don't need to jump to conclusions and shoot down people who want to look at things a little closer. You know, we could all just get along or something.


Oh, no, that particular theory was the least painful of the bunch that were shot around. I probably should've put the "zomg alex and jay are hoody" theory first. I too thought Tim was blind until my second watch through. If jay is using the same camera as 42 it would indeed not have a viewfinder screen. However, he could turn the screen to the lowest brightness setting and just make sure to keep the camera pointed at masky, cover the back of the screen with his hand to further block the light. This would also answer my next question, Masky didn't sense jay, just heard a small noise, looked through the leaves, saw a little light from the screen on something and grabbed at that. There are just no previous instances of masky having vision issues, don't see why now.

I like the idea of Jay having a mask put on and joining the tothearks again, implying he was a member before. I'm pretty halfsies on this theory in general though. There's no evidence strictly proving jay wasn't a masky, though the lack of even the slightest hint towards it earlier turns me away from it. (inb4 jay is skully/sadpanda/foldery)

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I like the idea of Jay having a mask put on and joining the tothearks again, implying he was a member before. I'm pretty halfsies on this theory in general though. There's no evidence strictly proving jay wasn't a masky, though the lack of even the slightest hint towards it earlier turns me away from it. (inb4 jay is skully/sadpanda/foldery)



I'd disagree with your last sentence, to an extent. The series has dropped hints all over that Jay might well have something to do with the TTA channel himself. The most obvious hint is when he comes 'round in the cupboard in Brian's house (I forget the entry) and there's a mask hanging on the door. Similarly, there's the black eyes in Return and the 'sllepp.now' incident. Plus he has editing skills and lots of tapes of footage.

I'm not saying I necessarily think it is the case - just that there are certainly hints!
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 		Another note is that the video cuts back in right before our intrepid hero wakes up. That indicates 2 things. a long period edited out (possible and even likely, but pointless without exposition explaining how long they were out), or Hoody set the camera up and is in the vicinity when they come to (also possible and likely). the fact that the battery is dead leads me to believe it was just on, and whoever put the video together edited out Jay's nap. However, it doesn't seem to be Jay who edited it because he likes to explain things, even the painfully obvious in his expositions, of which there is none.

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Wow... seriously parts of this thread were physically painful to read.

Tim wasn't blind, night tends to be dark, and jay likely shut the side led screen and used the viewfinder which usually also has an led screen in it with newer camera models. He also covered the red blinking light.


Wow, that's kind of harsh. Not to drudge up nit-picky theories all over again, but this one wasn't unreasonable. We've seen Jay's camera before, haven't we? It's one of the new consumer HD ones, like Sony's Handycam line, right? Those don't have viewfinders other than the LCD screen. Neither do the Panasonic ones. At least, I thought that was what he was using; don't have time right now to look for a screenshot. Many of the camcorders with viewfinders are much more expensive, like "procorder" quality. Until we see a screenshot to the contrary, I'd like to keep an open mind, because it means something either way: either Tim is too out of his mind as Masky to notice a glowing camcorder screen, or Jay has learned enough caution to cleverly use his camera without giving himself away. Both possibilities are interesting character points.

Maybe we don't need to jump to conclusions and shoot down people who want to look at things a little closer. You know, we could all just get along or something.
Given that the cast (particularly Alex and Jay) were film students, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility and in fact even sets up the whole series to be recorded with "Pro-sumer" equipment. Therefore it's not entirely unlikely that he is using a better than decent camera.

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Hmm, I just looked closely at 5:08 and the night mode doesn't get switched off "cleanly", there are a few frames that are part night mode, part normal mode, and the picture looks as if there's a visual tear between the two images. What's going on there?


Fabulous catch! Man, I hadn't noticed that. I'm not a huge fan of the idea that the Operator might be lurking somewhere in this video, but then, it is (probably) Rosswood Park.

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 		After a rewatch, I figured Masky knew where Jay was really quickly and just waited to spring a good ambush. He was obviously inching inconspicuously toward Jay before he tried to grab him.

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paladin181 wrote:
Another note is that the video cuts back in right before our intrepid hero wakes up. That indicates 2 things. a long period edited out (possible and even likely, but pointless without exposition explaining how long they were out), or Hoody set the camera up and is in the vicinity when they come to (also possible and likely). the fact that the battery is dead leads me to believe it was just on, and whoever put the video together edited out Jay's nap. However, it doesn't seem to be Jay who edited it because he likes to explain things, even the painfully obvious in his expositions, of which there is none.

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Wow... seriously parts of this thread were physically painful to read.

Tim wasn't blind, night tends to be dark, and jay likely shut the side led screen and used the viewfinder which usually also has an led screen in it with newer camera models. He also covered the red blinking light.


Wow, that's kind of harsh. Not to drudge up nit-picky theories all over again, but this one wasn't unreasonable. We've seen Jay's camera before, haven't we? It's one of the new consumer HD ones, like Sony's Handycam line, right? Those don't have viewfinders other than the LCD screen. Neither do the Panasonic ones. At least, I thought that was what he was using; don't have time right now to look for a screenshot. Many of the camcorders with viewfinders are much more expensive, like "procorder" quality. Until we see a screenshot to the contrary, I'd like to keep an open mind, because it means something either way: either Tim is too out of his mind as Masky to notice a glowing camcorder screen, or Jay has learned enough caution to cleverly use his camera without giving himself away. Both possibilities are interesting character points.

Maybe we don't need to jump to conclusions and shoot down people who want to look at things a little closer. You know, we could all just get along or something.
Given that the cast (particularly Alex and Jay) were film students, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility and in fact even sets up the whole series to be recorded with "Pro-sumer" equipment. Therefore it's not entirely unlikely that he is using a better than decent camera.


And anyway he could just be filming without the led sceen. God, he's a film student and he uses cameras almost as much as his own hands. It's not that hard to instinctly point your camera at the thing you want to have a record of.
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So... does Tim know he's Masky? Or is he just vaguely aware of a spooky mask in his house that seems to coincide with the days he wakes up miles away from home...


I assume he knows he's Masky at least by Entry 59.

I also have no idea what you mean by the rest of it. It looks like the same old Tim to me, just with a new shampoo/conditioner.


Yeah, I guess so. I mean, his hair is almost completely different, now. And his sideburns are a lot thinner...

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 		did people completely miss the distortion when hoody picks up the camera

it's clearly hoody editing out w/e happened next, he puts the camera on jay after jay passes out or w/e

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 		I just now finally saw the tower-like building with windows at the end! Sheeesh, am I blind or smth?? Anyway, I definitely don't think it looks like the abandoned hospital or the annex. So, what if the red tower was not the only tower "he sees me" at? ( although in Alex's papers, I think it looks like he is drawing the smaller red tower) I would love to see more of whatever this building is, even if it's just to place where the shack is in Rosswood.

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did people completely miss the distortion when hoody picks up the camera

it's clearly hoody editing out w/e happened next, he puts the camera on jay after jay passes out or w/e


Certainly, somebody aimed the camera at Jay before he woke up. It was probably Hoody; we don't know of anybody else on the scene, unless Tim was faking, but I find that unlikely.

When you say "edit," though, I'm not sure I'm with you. If you mean edit, as in post-production putting together of the video, then I don't buy it. Post-shoot editing had to have happened after Jay woke up, which means there would have had to have been a whole other abduction or attack scenario for Hoody to get a hold of the camera again. If you mean that Hoody just turned off the camera to stop it from recording what happened next, thereby "editing" the footage, then we're in agreement; I think that's the most likely scenario.

On a semi-related note, I don't buy the whole "Jay didn't post this" theory that's floating around. I interpret the lack of captions and the typo-tweet as carelessness born of urgency, as if Jay and Tim have decided on a course of action and just thought they needed to get what they had posted as quickly as possible. However, I admit that I would have expected some kind of tweet about what they're up to if that's the case. I still don't think that TTA posting it is likely, though.

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I just now finally saw the tower-like building with windows at the end! Sheeesh, am I blind or smth?? Anyway, I definitely don't think it looks like the abandoned hospital or the annex. So, what if the red tower was not the only tower "he sees me" at? ( although in Alex's papers, I think it looks like he is drawing the smaller red tower) I would love to see more of whatever this building is, even if it's just to place where the shack is in Rosswood.

Hoodie hut is not in the "Park Rosswood" (OOG). If I'm not mistaken, is close to the old town where is the antique shop and the clinic where Tim goes, at the end of the ride that takes Jay in the final minutes of #53.

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Jingleman wrote:
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did people completely miss the distortion when hoody picks up the camera

it's clearly hoody editing out w/e happened next, he puts the camera on jay after jay passes out or w/e


Certainly, somebody aimed the camera at Jay before he woke up. It was probably Hoody; we don't know of anybody else on the scene, unless Tim was faking, but I find that unlikely.

When you say "edit," though, I'm not sure I'm with you. If you mean edit, as in post-production putting together of the video, then I don't buy it. Post-shoot editing had to have happened after Jay woke up, which means there would have had to have been a whole other abduction or attack scenario for Hoody to get a hold of the camera again. If you mean that Hoody just turned off the camera to stop it from recording what happened next, thereby "editing" the footage, then we're in agreement; I think that's the most likely scenario.

On a semi-related note, I don't buy the whole "Jay didn't post this" theory that's floating around. I interpret the lack of captions and the typo-tweet as carelessness born of urgency, as if Jay and Tim have decided on a course of action and just thought they needed to get what they had posted as quickly as possible. However, I admit that I would have expected some kind of tweet about what they're up to if that's the case. I still don't think that TTA posting it is likely, though.



If it was uploaded by hoody then that could be post-editing

If it wasn't, it's not the first time we've seen distortion then cut (entry 43 when alex is near the tunnel hole thing, entry 23, etc)

If hoody just shut the camera off then we wouldn't have seen that distortion blotch

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If hoody just shut the camera off then we wouldn't have seen that distortion blotch


Wait, why not? Why couldn't he have shut the camera off at a moment when it happened to be distorting? Or what if whatever was distorting it was powerful enough to cause the camera to shut off on its own, and not recover until Jay did - like he and the camera were both under the influence of whatever happened until the same moment. I'm just looking for some clarity on why distortion = Hoody edited the video after the fact.

EDIT: Oh, that might be the point you're making, upon reconsideration of the post. Still, if we're talking about Hoody doing something to the camera or footage after Jay and Tim wake up, then I have a hard time imagining what the sequence of events was, and why it didn't just happen while they were asleep.

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