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Zebez
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 		Yeah, I like the danger element there. Tim probably wants Jay around for some sense of security also. This is a good turn in the story and I've really liked how they put this part in. It's probably some of the best character developement, besides Jay's growth as being more ballsy, which he kind of lost for a while.

I still wonder what happened after the cut but perhaps we won't get an explanation. I feel like he would've mentioned something. But who knows, probably have to wait until the next entry.

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Jingleman
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Zebez wrote:
Yeah, I like the danger element there. Tim probably wants Jay around for some sense of security also. This is a good turn in the story and I've really liked how they put this part in. It's probably some of the best character developement, besides Jay's growth as being more ballsy, which he kind of lost for a while.

I still wonder what happened after the cut but perhaps we won't get an explanation. I feel like he would've mentioned something. But who knows, probably have to wait until the next entry.


The best part of this is that they can finally have some dialogue between two friendly characters who know something about what's going on and can talk about it openly. The closest we've ever gotten to that was the last Jessica entry, I think, but they were in such a hurry that we never found out if Jessica really knew anything. One entry of that kind of discussion could answer a ton of questions.

Plus, if it was me, my first move upon getting the security of a partner would be to get into research mode: try to figure out what the Operator is or if there's ever been a record of someone getting free of him. Maybe try to figure out who TTA is. So, I'm hoping this is setting up some exposition. We need some soon if this is moving toward the endgame.

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Jingleman wrote:
Zebez wrote:
Yeah, I like the danger element there. Tim probably wants Jay around for some sense of security also. This is a good turn in the story and I've really liked how they put this part in. It's probably some of the best character developement, besides Jay's growth as being more ballsy, which he kind of lost for a while.

I still wonder what happened after the cut but perhaps we won't get an explanation. I feel like he would've mentioned something. But who knows, probably have to wait until the next entry.


The best part of this is that they can finally have some dialogue between two friendly characters who know something about what's going on and can talk about it openly. The closest we've ever gotten to that was the last Jessica entry, I think, but they were in such a hurry that we never found out if Jessica really knew anything. One entry of that kind of discussion could answer a ton of questions.

Plus, if it was me, my first move upon getting the security of a partner would be to get into research mode: try to figure out what the Operator is or if there's ever been a record of someone getting free of him. Maybe try to figure out who TTA is. So, I'm hoping this is setting up some exposition. We need some soon if this is moving toward the endgame.


Yeah, I agree. I bet Tim probably knows a bit about the operator and is now more willing to tell Jay. He was obviously hiding something. That would probably lead to some exposition. I'm curious to see how hoody will come into this as well. I doubt he's just going to leave them alone because they're together now. Although him trying to join up with them would be kind of awkward.

"So uh yeah, hey Jay, I know I totally coerced you and Tim together and have been taunting you for years but how bout we just let it all go huh?"

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Zebez wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I bet Tim probably knows a bit about the operator and is now more willing to tell Jay. He was obviously hiding something. That would probably lead to some exposition. I'm curious to see how hoody will come into this as well. I doubt he's just going to leave them alone because they're together now. Although him trying to join up with them would be kind of awkward.

"So uh yeah, hey Jay, I know I totally coerced you and Tim together and have been taunting you for years but how bout we just let it all go huh?"


Hoody seems to want Tim and Jay together, but if he wanted to join them himself, he had the chance and didn't take it. It's probably going to be more of a hint-here, prod-there manipulation kind of thing, at least for the moment. Hoody's need for Masky as a long-term tool is unknown as well; he's shown a willingness to use Masky, but his comments in 61 ("Look what you have caused") could imply some sympathy. Maybe not. But maybe Hoody's endgame involves everybody going back being free, healthy, and normal.

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Zebez
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Jingleman wrote:
Zebez wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I bet Tim probably knows a bit about the operator and is now more willing to tell Jay. He was obviously hiding something. That would probably lead to some exposition. I'm curious to see how hoody will come into this as well. I doubt he's just going to leave them alone because they're together now. Although him trying to join up with them would be kind of awkward.

"So uh yeah, hey Jay, I know I totally coerced you and Tim together and have been taunting you for years but how bout we just let it all go huh?"


Hoody seems to want Tim and Jay together, but if he wanted to join them himself, he had the chance and didn't take it. It's probably going to be more of a hint-here, prod-there manipulation kind of thing, at least for the moment. Hoody's need for Masky as a long-term tool is unknown as well; he's shown a willingness to use Masky, but his comments in 61 ("Look what you have caused") could imply some sympathy. Maybe not. But maybe Hoody's endgame involves everybody going back being free, healthy, and normal.


Perhaps, but I don't really trust hoody at all. He's manipulative and willing to go to extremes. That may not be bad for survival, it just makes him hard to trust. I'm wondering if he even cares about tim or if his mission is beyond them, but we probably won't find out all of his intentions until the end. We know he wants to kill alex and use Jay and Tim to do it but we don't know how much he cares for Jay and Tim either. He may have some principles though.

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 		We have no reason to trust him. We've never been presented with his actual intentions.

Edit: Which you pretty much just said. Derp.

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Jingleman
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Zebez wrote:

Perhaps, but I don't really trust hoody at all. He's manipulative and willing to go to extremes. That may not be bad for survival, it just makes him hard to trust. I'm wondering if he even cares about tim or if his mission is beyond them, but we probably won't find out all of his intentions until the end. We know he wants to kill alex and use Jay and Tim to do it but we don't know how much he cares for Jay and Tim either. He may have some principles though.


I agree. Even in the unlikely event that Hoody's motives turn out to be altogether benevolent, I'd be disinclined to go along with him if I were Jay or Tim. The ends clearly justify the means for Hoody, and they're always stuck being the means, you know? If you're going to go down, then at least you should get to go out honestly, without having to look over your shoulder for betrayal all the time. Still, who can say what anybody would really do faced with their situation?

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 		I am hoping fervently that the entry post and the "we're fine" tweet were still not done by Jay, simply because plot-wise it is an incredibly severe let-down and, in my opinion, a mistake that could have been avoided and written around even given the extra delay due to the car crash and traveling. Not much else to say about it.

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 		Tim and Jay teaming up is gonna be really interesting.

I'm waiting for the entry where Tim and Jay are running away from some kind of danger, then Tim suddenly starts convulsing and enters attack mode

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DaturaStramonium wrote:
I am hoping fervently that the entry post and the "we're fine" tweet were still not done by Jay, simply because plot-wise it is an incredibly severe let-down and, in my opinion, a mistake that could have been avoided and written around even given the extra delay due to the car crash and traveling. Not much else to say about it.


This. alex/hoodie might attacked them. Notice the lower case "e" in the entry tweet.
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Jingleman
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ThinSuit wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
I am hoping fervently that the entry post and the "we're fine" tweet were still not done by Jay, simply because plot-wise it is an incredibly severe let-down and, in my opinion, a mistake that could have been avoided and written around even given the extra delay due to the car crash and traveling. Not much else to say about it.


This. alex/hoodie might attacked them. Notice the lower case "e" in the entry tweet.


It had to have been a typo. These tweets are nowhere near cryptic enough to be from TTA; Hoody already let them go so it can't be him if he's not TTA; Alex nearly shot Jay over posting things online, so he's not going to be posting to placate us. These things came from Jay and we're just going to have to wait and see if they explain the delay and/or timetable for the last month or so.

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Geneaux486
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Zarggg wrote:
We have no reason to trust him. We've never been presented with his actual intentions.

Edit: Which you pretty much just said. Derp.


He behaves in much the same way Tim did in Seasons 1 and 2, far as I'm concnerned his trustworthyness depends on whether or not this is his real personality or if he's like Tim and has an alternate personality/fugue state sometimes.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
We have no reason to trust him. We've never been presented with his actual intentions.

Edit: Which you pretty much just said. Derp.


He behaves in much the same way Tim did in Seasons 1 and 2, far as I'm concnerned his trustworthyness depends on whether or not this is his real personality or if he's like Tim and has an alternate personality/fugue state sometimes.

I might buy that Hoody has two personalities if we had an indication of who he was behind the mask or any indication that his motives were shifting. His helpfulness or belligerence toward Jay isn't a good measure of this, because those actions might well fluctuate based on whether Jay is helping or hindering his real, unknown goals at any given moment.

I'd also point out that, unlike Masky, every time we've seen Hoody he's seemed methodical or in control, perhaps thoughtful. He's not the enraged tackler; he's the planner, the one who lures you where he wants you and then springs his trap, or sets you on the path of his design. That doesn't strike me as the same kind of fugue state that we see in Masky. I'm inclined to think that Hoody is always the same, always a step ahead. At least if he's TTA. Besides, it doesn't much matter unless we meet whomever Hoody is in his "streetclothes."

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Geneaux486
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Jingleman wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
We have no reason to trust him. We've never been presented with his actual intentions.

Edit: Which you pretty much just said. Derp.


He behaves in much the same way Tim did in Seasons 1 and 2, far as I'm concnerned his trustworthyness depends on whether or not this is his real personality or if he's like Tim and has an alternate personality/fugue state sometimes.

I might buy that Hoody has two personalities if we had an indication of who he was behind the mask or any indication that his motives were shifting. His helpfulness or belligerence toward Jay isn't a good measure of this, because those actions might well fluctuate based on whether Jay is helping or hindering his real, unknown goals at any given moment.

I'd also point out that, unlike Masky, every time we've seen Hoody he's seemed methodical or in control, perhaps thoughtful. He's not the enraged tackler; he's the planner, the one who lures you where he wants you and then springs his trap, or sets you on the path of his design. That doesn't strike me as the same kind of fugue state that we see in Masky. I'm inclined to think that Hoody is always the same, always a step ahead. At least if he's TTA. Besides, it doesn't much matter unless we meet whomever Hoody is in his "streetclothes."


Most of the time we see Tim in the mask he is just leading Jay to some destination, or spying on him and then leaving him cryptic messages on youtube. There are times when he's acted violently, of course, but I never got the sense that it was the result of a savage nature, but rather simply another form of manipulation, or to harm Alex. I'm not convinced UHP wouldn't do the same if he needed to.

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 		We still don't really know that Tim was running TTA in seasons 1 and 2. I'm starting to feel more and more like whoever we finally discover is TTA has been TTA all along.

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