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Jingleman
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PlayerMann wrote:
Considering how Tim isn't too happy with being involved in the whole incident to begin with, I suppose that it would make sense for Hoody to be manipulating him. So for this, I agree with Jingleman.

So if Hoody really can do these things, then is he maybe looking for another person to become the next victim? It really seems out of left-field, but what if Hoody's planning to turn Jay into his next pawn?

Jay seems like a better man to do the job, considering how he wants to solve the mystery and get involved more then anyone else.

Just something off my mind, I suppose.


That's possible. Some people even believe that Jay has already been used by or been a part of totheark (the distinction depending upon whether they think TTA is a group or not). I'm not convinced myself, but it's a popular theory. Check out the TTA video Return; note the state Jay's in in that one, with the dark circles under his eyes and his dazed expression. Some people interpret that as a fugue state similar to Tim's Masky episodes, and thus think that Jay might have similar episodes, but somebody who really believes that theory might be a better source for the evidence for it.

Here's another thought: we don't know if TTA, or Hoody if you think they are different people, has supernatural powers to influence anyone, or is just opportunistically taking advantage of the effects of the Operator. Since we don't know exactly what the Operator is or what he wants, or for that matter, who is TTA or what he wants, it's difficult to say exactly how and why characters keep disappearing and losing memories of what happened. The role of the Operator is completely mysterious, and shouldn't be discounted even though the focus of the entries right now seems to be TTA and Tim.

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CraicIsMighty
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 		In my mind, there's still a possibility that TTA and Hoodie are separate people. All we know about "entry" is that Hoodie was in it. We don't know who edited it and uploaded it onto Jay's account. I prefer to think of TTA as a single mastermind rather than a regular group. If TTA manipulated Tim into being his/her masky minion, s/he could be doing the same to Hoodie. TTA could have sent Hoodie to steal Tim's pills and then after Hoodie returned with the footage of Tim's seizure, s/he did the rest. Hoodie could also just be another innocent person being manipulated, like Tim. Or Hoodie could be TTA who just manipulated Tim and lost control of him. I don't have any strong convictions one way or the other, but I'm just pointing out that it's possible.

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Geneaux486
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 		Am I the only one who thinks it'd be kinda goofy if one guy walks up at some point and says, "I'm to the ark!"? Sounds like some kinda translation error. I'm still of the belief that it's a mission statement, not a name.

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Oscar Langley
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 		I think rewatching is actually a good idea. Here's some basic observations I've made so far, I'll try to go through more tonight.


Exit - filmed during and/or immediately after Entry 13 (summer 2006, production stage unknown)
Jay - couldn't have filmed it, obviously.
Alex - him and his camera were kinda busy with Mr. Slim at the moment. Don't think there'd be time to run away, change tapes, and randomly film Jay before hurrying back.
Speaking of hurrying back, wheover's filming takes off as soon as Jay is out of sight. I used to think he/she was hiding from Jay but the point at which he/she runs is when Jay would have the least chance of seeing him/her. There is a strong Hoody feel to this one, for whatever that's worth - both in the filming, and the way it's uploaded (assuming Hoody also uploaded the "yeah i was there too, here's my footage" videos from season 2 and 3).

Advocate - same filming session as Entry 7, with Alex in the driver seat filming, Brian in the passenger seat, and a girl sitting in the back off-camera. The footage is Brian facing the camera followed by a pan towards the back, which doesn't match Entry 7. Entry 7 begins with Brian asking Alex if they're starting again, so my guess would be that Advocate is from the first tape. When that tape ended Alex switched it for another tape (the one Entry 7 is from) and took another take. The second tape ended up with Jay, and the first tape ended up with the maker of this TTA video.

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Jingleman
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks it'd be kinda goofy if one guy walks up at one point and says, "I'm to the ark!"? I'm still of the belief that it's a mission statement, not a name.


I agree with that assessment. Using "totheark" as shorthand for whoever is behind the channel is something of a convenience, and Jay has presumed to call him by that name before, but I totally agree with you that it's more of a goal than a name. On the other hand, whoever it is might just be crazy enough to have conflated the two, that is, he may have become so obsessed that he can't distinguish between himself and his goal or something. Just a thought. Anyway, I'm with you on this one.

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Geneaux486
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Jingleman wrote:
On the other hand, whoever it is might just be crazy enough to have conflated the two, that is, he may have become so obsessed that he can't distinguish between himself and his goal or something.


That would be an interesting twist to it.

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告gma
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 		Re: [SPEC]
Oh boy.
DaturaStramonium wrote:
告gma wrote:
and Jay being totheark.


Is this a typo? I sure hope so.


No, sorry, it's not.
Everybody has their own theories, blatantly mocking mine
just makes you arrogant.


pravado wrote:
The fact that totheark knew what was in the file hoody put down there confirms that either totheark is working with hoody, or hoody is totheark. judging by intermission/entry 42's opening, i'm leaning towards hoody being totheark.

just because tim is in totheark videos doesn't mean he's a part of totheark, nor does it mean that totheark is a faction.


Entry ###### would like a word with you.
"We will wait for you no more.
Control is being taken away from you. "

I deal in speculation though, not facts (though if anyone can
deliver one to me to blow my theory out of the water, two thumbs up).
It is thought that TTA uploaded Entry ###### but that doesn't necessarily make it the case.
Unless there's an OOG confirmation somewhere. Anyone could have done it, honestly.

TTA being the most likely culprit though, it is either a red herring or TTA
is definitely a group of individuals as opposed to one.

I still propose that TTA consists of, at least, Jay/TTA, Tim/Masky and Bryan/Hoody.
(Or even Jessica. I haven't ruled that out at all. Hoody's general submissiveness causes me pause.)

TTA ----> Their other "selves" trying to produce hints for Jay to go on and/or as attempts to prod his memory for events that occurred while
in their other states. Threats to him to get him moving.

Dissociative identity disorder being the reason for gaps in memories
as well as their other selves. DID is also characterized by an individual's
"other self" typically being more aggressive and hostile. (Sound familiar?)

The pills being the catalyst for their state.

I think Tim's prominence in these videos is too large to overlook. What, did Masky just decide to let Hoody videotape him like that? Seems like a stretch to me.

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告gma
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mattastic wrote:
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how else did the camera magically come on while Jay slept?


It was probably on long before Jay woke up. Jay usually cuts any scenes where nothing happens for an extended amount of time. And if the camera was on the entire time Jay was sleeping, it would explain why the battery was so low.


I find it hard to believe that Jay would cut out any scenes after the attack and not show what happened to him later, to the point of waking up. Just my two cents, I guess.

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告gma
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mattastic wrote:
Yeah, any theory where Jay is totheark makes the story unnecessarily complicated.


It's not complicated at all and ties in very well.

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SHODAN
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告gma wrote:
mattastic wrote:
Yeah, any theory where Jay is totheark makes the story unnecessarily complicated.


It's not complicated at all and ties in very well.


No, it doesn't. You're saying that the same person is both the protagonist and one of the antagonists. How many well written stories do you know that follow that pattern?

Putting an idea forth isn't a 'theory' when you don't have evidence to support it, and evidence isn't just saying 'well, it could be x....'

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Lithp
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 		I agree with you except for this:

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How many well written stories do you know that follow that pattern?


This is the twist ending of a few good movies (& sometimes the books they are based on), Fight Club being a case in point.

There's also a whole Trope, Superpowered Evil Side, which deals with having an evil entity inside your subconscious that occasionally takes over. Like...Masky. For instance.

So, to answer your question, a lot.

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ReverendJ
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告gma wrote:
mattastic wrote:
Yeah, any theory where Jay is totheark makes the story unnecessarily complicated.


It's not complicated at all and ties in very well.
Like that time Jay filmed himself form behind in the hallway of Brian's house having a coughing fit?

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DaturaStramonium
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 		Re: [SPEC]
Oh boy.
告gma wrote:

No, sorry, it's not.
Everybody has their own theories, blatantly mocking mine
just makes you arrogant.


Just don't be disappointed in it being proven false, for I feel that there is a high probability of this. Even if a separate personality of Jay's exists as given only very slight and insubstantial evidence in "Return", there is absolutely zero evidence pointing to actual collaboration between Hoody (and no apparent reason why they would communicate to his 'real' self in such a cryptic, backward way), the assumed mastermind, and Jay's alternate personality, let alone Tim, who is now being shown more as a manipulated asset.

告gma wrote:

The pills being the catalyst for their state.


Additionally, this is outright false. Not only are the pills proven to be counteractive to the state in #61, but the pills have virtually zero connection to any of the characters other than Tim.

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 		I'm willing to commit to Hoody being the one behind the totheark account, understanding that I may at some point be shown to be very wrong. Note that this really doesn't answer any questions since we still don't know who Hoody is.

The plural pronoun isn't very troubling. It doesn't necessarily refer to a plurality of persons. It might be that whoever it is speaks on behalf of all those affected by The Operator, or is just using the editorial/royal "we".

For me, 61 was the clincher although I've thought it for some time. The remarks seemed perfectly in-character for TTA ("LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE CAUSED"/"WHERE COULD HE HAVE GONE" and the encrypted "thetrees".) and we begin by looking at Tim from the same vantage point as Observation. If Hoody isn't TTA, then TTA must be shadowing him or riding in his pocket.

The question I have is, was Hoody manipulating Tim into his Masky persona all along, or is this something he's resorted to recently since Tim started getting "better"? Manipulation would explain TTA's and Masky's apparent association without necessarily making Masky part of some totheark cohort.

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 		I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.

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