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SHODAN
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Lithp wrote:
I agree with you except for this:

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How many well written stories do you know that follow that pattern?


This is the twist ending of a few good movies (& sometimes the books they are based on), Fight Club being a case in point.

There's also a whole Trope, Superpowered Evil Side, which deals with having an evil entity inside your subconscious that occasionally takes over. Like...Masky. For instance.

So, to answer your question, a lot.


That's a fair point regarding Fight Club and others, but that kind of plot is definitely in the minority (not to say there aren't a lot of stories that do it), and it's very, very difficult to pull off well. MH has never struck me as a series that tried to do too many things at once, and I think using that idea / trope would overcomplicate the story un-necessarily.

e: One other thing regarding this idea, Jay was pointed out to be an unreliable narrator (at least for a few entries), and that makes no sense if he's also TTA. Jay is our primary 'entry point' into the series, it isn't like a few other series where multiple people are uploading videos that aren't 'agents' or 'proxies'.

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Lithp
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 		The reason Jay being a Totheark has fallen out of favor with me is because there have now been innumerable opportunities to brainwash him or whatever they need to do. Unless that is what happened in this entry, I think the boat's pretty much sailed on this one. If Jay was ever in Totheark, it was for a very short time, & he is by no means a reliable member.

I do hope they will revisit the fugue states, but as of right now, it does not seem to be a regular occurrence.

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 		I think that we need to collectively learn about the logical construct known as Occam's Razor. When two theories explain a phenomenon equally well, the simpler of the two should be adopted. Theories should contain no more complexity than is absolutely necessary.

Any theory that explains Jay as being part of ToTheArk or the sole member of ToTheArk is overly complex because it relies on the existence of fugue states and a multiple personality for Jay, no evidence of which exists in the series. These theories, no matter how well they explain things, should be discarded in favor of theories that suggest Hoody alone or Hoody and unknown accomplices (Masky is generally accepted due to his appearance in several TTA videos) comprise the membership of ToTheArk, as they are far less complex, explain things equally well, and can be drawn from existing evidence.
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Xicon wrote:
I think that we need to collectively learn about the logical construct known as Occam's Razor. When two theories explain a phenomenon equally well, the simpler of the two should be adopted. Theories should contain no more complexity than is absolutely necessary.

Any theory that explains Jay as being part of ToTheArk or the sole member of ToTheArk is overly complex because it relies on the existence of fugue states and a multiple personality for Jay, no evidence of which exists in the series. These theories, no matter how well they explain things, should be discarded in favor of theories that suggest Hoody alone or Hoody and unknown accomplices (Masky is generally accepted due to his appearance in several TTA videos) comprise the membership of ToTheArk, as they are far less complex, explain things equally well, and can be drawn from existing evidence.


The only problem with the Razor is that it sometimes is inapplicable to constructed media(although I do concede to the point that explaining this something without evidence in the specific situation of Marble Hornets does make for extremely shakey theories),( and even though it additionally describes an innate feature and statistical probability of things to be generally simple and require low assumption amount, the Razor is not a pure law in that it is near always true. It is simply a very good tool to allow one to analyze and deduct a situation, but you already know this). There are many times in media when things are complicated for complication's sake. I do say, however, that the complication should be concise and effective, as some of the twist theories do not meet the requirements of being so; I say this because we know that Troy and Joseph are both great writers, and we can say with confidence that any depth of complication would ultimately 'work' for Marble Hornets and the overall plot and feeling attached. While I'm not saying that this specific theory of Sigma's has an impossibility to be incorporated well, I feel that it will be much harder and would ultimately be less effective than the current assumed and expected flow of storyline.

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Spritey wrote:
I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.


I really like this theory. It fits in really well with totheark's "come back to us" sentiment.

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Jingleman
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mattastic wrote:
Spritey wrote:
I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.


I really like this theory. It fits in really well with totheark's "come back to us" sentiment.


This is a neat idea. I don't think there's much evidence for it, but I don't think it's been refuted outright, either. Surprisingly, I think it's compatible with a single-TTA theory, if you consider it an origin theory for the one person who becomes totheark (Hoody, as you said). Perhaps the ark was something these characters were close to having in the fight against Alex & TO, but they were thwarted. Hoody escapes with his memories, and adopts an ends-justify-means strategy for getting back "totheark."

There's not enough evidence for me to really believe the theory at this point, but there are some interesting permutations that could come from an idea like that.

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Spritey wrote:
I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.


Ooh, I really like that theory as well.

Though if that was the case, I can't see why Hoody would have acted in the way he has; never revealing himself, communicating only with cryptic messages. Jay, at least, has been deep enough into this all along to accept such a story if it were true, and I'm sure he would have been eager to have an ally.

Still a interesting idea, though.

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Gameboy39 wrote:
Spritey wrote:
I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.


Ooh, I really like that theory as well.

Though if that was the case, I can't see why Hoody would have acted in the way he has; never revealing himself, communicating only with cryptic messages.

Still a interesting idea, though.


Well, all the characters become increasingly paranoid with their exposure to the situation. It's possible that Hoody is so deep into what's going on that he's just hella paranoid.

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Jingleman
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mattastic wrote:
Gameboy39 wrote:
Spritey wrote:
I'm hoping we get some sort of revelation that Jay, Tim, Brian, Seth, and Sarah were all at one point working together to stop Alex sometime between 2006-2009, but nobody remembers except whoever Hoody is. So he's just trying to bring everyone together who's still alive.


Ooh, I really like that theory as well.

Though if that was the case, I can't see why Hoody would have acted in the way he has; never revealing himself, communicating only with cryptic messages.

Still a interesting idea, though.


Well, all the characters become increasingly paranoid with their exposure to the situation. It's possible that Hoody is so deep into what's going on that he's just hella paranoid.


Why Hoody is so cryptic is a question that applies no matter what his back story is. So many things would have been easier along the way if he would just have said directly, "Hey Jay, it's [somebody], remember me? I know just what to do about that tall thing that's following Alex. Here you go..."

I think it's possible that there's some reason that he can't, like the mental issues you point out, i.e. paranoia and other disorders like Tim's issues, have just driven him mad, and he's being as clear as is capable of being. The only other possibility I can think of is that there's some tactical reason he's being cryptic, but I don't know what that would be. I guess he could just be trying to be unnecessarily creepy.

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§igma wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
§igma wrote:
and Jay being totheark.


Is this a typo? I sure hope so.


No, sorry, it's not.
Everybody has their own theories, blatantly mocking mine
just makes you arrogant.


Making a theory that has no ground and even has a lot of ground against it just makes you arrogant.

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I deal in speculation though, not facts (though if anyone can
deliver one to me to blow my theory out of the water, two thumbs up).


Exit, Addition, Return, Forecast, Intermission, and Reminder

You should start dealing with facts.
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 		I think it would be interesting if hoody was amy. A complete long shot of course, but it would definitely make things interesting

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Lithp
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no evidence of which exists in the series


Except the part where it happened. Like, multiple times.

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Geneaux486
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 		My theory:

Brian: Say my name.
Jay: I don't know who you are.
Brian: You know exactly who I am. I'm the one who stole Tim's pill bottle.
Jay: Bullshit, the cartel did that.
Brian: You sure about that? Say my name.
Jay: You're totheark...
Brian: You're gosh darn right.

/series

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Animal
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 		Out of curiosity, what makes you think Brian over Seth? I think Seth had a decent argument because of his camera experience and the reoccuring S that shows up in some of the TTA videos, and the red tower i believe

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Jingleman
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Animal wrote:
Out of curiosity, what makes you think Brian over Seth? I think Seth had a decent argument because of his camera experience and the reoccuring S that shows up in some of the TTA videos, and the red tower i believe

I didn't realize that that "S" was considered evidence for Seth's involvement in the TTA channel. I guess it's my own fault for missing it. I suppose that's as good an explanation as any for the "S", but the symbol itself is a lowercase Greek sigma, the type used only as the last letter of a word. Since it would only appear at the end of the word, it never occurred to me that it could be an initial. I don't have a better explanation, though, so bravo. Interesting thought. I recall it appearing in two TTA videos. Is that the correct count?

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