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Jingleman
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Just because it's not a video does not make the occasional updates from Jay any less important.


Right, the fact that it's optional, supplementary content is what makes it less important, not the fact that it's simply not a video. No, the tweets are not nearly as important as the actual videos, and while they do add an extra sense of realism, they've never been vital to our understanding of the events of the story, and nothing is truly lost if the time between entries passes with minimal tweets.


I dunno, I consider them pretty critical to the story. I first watched the entries without them, through the first season, before I became aware of the twitter account. After going back through them together, I think the tweets add context that significantly alters the tone of the work in certain places, not to mention the flat-out exposition, narration, and clarification they offer on occasion. Even when Jay rehashes tweeted information in video form, there's a certain immediacy to the tweets that lends vitality to the narrative, even after the fact as part of an archive binge or re-watch.

I understand the point of view Geneaux486 is expressing, but I don't think of Marble Hornets as I would a network TV show that might have supplementary blogs or web-shorts. With this new "chaotic fiction" medium, I think we have to view all of the story outlets together as a whole work. Just because one can follow the story without the tweets, it doesn't mean they aren't an integral part of the series. If audiences fail to embrace all of the avenues through which these narratives are delivered, then creators may stop bothering with them, and the full potential of Web 2.0 storytelling might be wasted; it may never develop.

Oh, and I guess "rage" at the lack of a spoiler-free timeline on the wiki, so that new folks can go through the entries, TTA videos, and tweets in order and marked by date, without having other events spoiled.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:20 am
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pravado wrote:
lol'ing at how riled up people get on here

i highly doubt they'll ever put out anything else that will be as successful as MH. their thac videos are funny, but not enough to get nearly a quarter million subscribers

people do understand i'm talking about the creators there, and not the viewers, right? i'm saying that this is something that people will be talking about for years after it's over. their thac videos don't even have 12k subscribers, they're not going to get any more popular than MH. i highly doubt that they're going to become rockstars or something to get their names out there any more than they are now. people will associate them with mh and know them from it, and i don't see them doing anything else that will make them more well known than mh has made them


Yes, because the most important thing in their lives is determined by how many people are entertained.

If you honestly think that a web series that they make for virtually no compensation in their free time will ever amount to anything remotely resembling "the most important thing they do", you have some serious growing up to do. They have their entire lives ahead of them, lives with future wives and children and future careers. If you measure the importance of one's life by how many people know one's name, you're fucking 12.

So as I said before: grow the fuck up.
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Xicon wrote:
pravado wrote:
lol'ing at how riled up people get on here

i highly doubt they'll ever put out anything else that will be as successful as MH. their thac videos are funny, but not enough to get nearly a quarter million subscribers

people do understand i'm talking about the creators there, and not the viewers, right? i'm saying that this is something that people will be talking about for years after it's over. their thac videos don't even have 12k subscribers, they're not going to get any more popular than MH. i highly doubt that they're going to become rockstars or something to get their names out there any more than they are now. people will associate them with mh and know them from it, and i don't see them doing anything else that will make them more well known than mh has made them


Yes, because the most important thing in their lives is determined by how many people are entertained.

If you honestly think that a web series that they make for virtually no compensation in their free time will ever amount to anything remotely resembling "the most important thing they do", you have some serious growing up to do. They have their entire lives ahead of them, lives with future wives and children and future careers. If you measure the importance of one's life by how many people know one's name, you're fucking 12.

So as I said before: grow the fuck up.


Not much else to say but: This.

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 		Please. Troy alone will go on to do amazing things. Someone who says that he won't has obviously never seen his other stuff. And I don't mean just the THAC videos. He has put some other, serious film projects on YouTube as well. They're not funny by any stretch of the word but they're just as good. And he's still a student. When he graduates and his talent grows? He's got the world ahead of him.

Joseph could make a damn good living as a serious actor. His range is insane.

Tim? Tim is a born stand-up comic.

Saying that anyone can reach their limit before 25 is stupid. Saying that these guys specifically will never top Marble Hornets? That's flamboyantly insane.
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 		Without reading all the shit that's been going on in this thread for the past couple pages I just want to point out this one thing:


THE TWITTER IS NOT CANON AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE UPDATED TO MOVE THE STORY FORWARD.

Get the fuck over it.

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twistedpuppet wrote:


THE TWITTER IS NOT CANON


False.

twistedpuppet wrote:
AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE UPDATED TO MOVE THE STORY FORWARD.


While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.

See: Tweetpocalypse 2011.


I think what Pravado is getting at, and what I agree with, is that it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to post one of those generic: "Upset at what I caught on film.. not sure if I should post it. I'll decide this week." tweets.

Waiting with zero word of an update, either in game or out of game, is complete bullshit.

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 		Why is everyone so certain that there isn't a reason for the lack of twitter updates? Stop assuming that there being lazy and maybe contemplate the possibility of their being an IG reason for not being able to tweet.

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Animal wrote:
Why is everyone so certain that there isn't a reason for the lack of twitter updates? Stop assuming that there being lazy and maybe contemplate the possibility of their being an IG reason for not being able to tweet.


A lot of people thought the last 3-week/month-long wait between 61 and 62 would have an in-game reason for delay : it didn't.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

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 		Actual quote from an acquaintance:

"yeah i tried watching that marble hornet. its kindve dumb. if their going make a slender movie it shud be done with hollywood"

Rolling Eyes

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Magyk wrote:
While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.

See: Tweetpocalypse 2011.


That wound up going nowhere. If he hadn't tweeted anything at all during that time, the story would have been exactly the same.

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Actual quote from an acquaintance:

"yeah i tried watching that marble hornet. its kindve dumb. if their going make a slender movie it shud be done with hollywood"


Ugh.

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The Reverend wrote:
Actual quote from an acquaintance:

"yeah i tried watching that marble hornet. its kindve dumb. if their going make a slender movie it shud be done with hollywood"

Rolling Eyes


I kind of get this. The first 10-15 entries of MH are pretty brutally bad, IMO. Luckily they're mostly really short. I don't really think MH gets good until Jay starts investigating the house. That's like, what, #18?

Geneaux486 wrote:
Magyk wrote:
While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.

See: Tweetpocalypse 2011.


That wound up going nowhere. If he hadn't tweeted anything at all during that time, the story would have been exactly the same.


Is that some kind of bad joke? Enttry 37 would have been so out-of-context without those tweets, let alone the entire "waking up at the red tower" thing. The twitter, and the tweetpocalypse in particular add so much depth to this story.

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 		Hmm....

Pravado, it seems that your passion has gotten the better of you.

I understand your impatience, but you have to understand that this is a personal project, not there job. When this series started, the boys were studying full-time college with and somehow managed to find time to film. Can you imagine how difficult that would have been? Now, Troy is working an intense nine to five job and I can't even imagine how they get time to get together.

Marble Hornets isn't the most important things in their lives, that's just silly. The most important thing is that the guys get there respective degrees and Troy work hard at his job. That there pirority. Marble Hornets is just a personal project, a hobby for these guys, and one, like all hobbies, needs to be on the sideline for everyday life. As Cougar Draven pointed out, the guys are incredibly talented and if there's any justice in this world, destined for great things. Troy is an incredibly talented director and Tim and Joseph both have incredible range.

It'd be different if we were actually paying for content, but we're not (outside of the DVDs and there hardly making a fortune off them). They are under no obligation to even continue making new entries. They do, because a lot of randon annoymous and quite frankly given this fandom, quite scary people on the internet love their entries and they want to please us. They've spent what I would imagine not inconsiderable money on the series for a group of random strangers (not to menticon staying the night in a seedy hotel to record the DVD commentaries) makes them incredibly awesome. It's obvious that they care about fandom and Marble Hornets or they wouldn't keep making new entries.

The guys don't owe us anything, really. In fact, it would be a lot easier for all of them if they stopped. They have continued is nothing short of amazing.

As for all of the out of game content, we're not exactly overrun with it.They just give us funny little antedontes from their lives. We're not exactly overrun with them and there hardly making them a regular pirority Smile

As for the Twitter...I'm not really fussed for updates. Any further tweets would really undercut the cliffhanger from and I'm more then happy to wait it out and obbess until then. The tweets are just sweet little teasers for what's going to happen in the next entry, there not really big in term of how they move the story. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it's going to continue to be until the conclusion of the series.

Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for the next entry, I'm obbessing over it and qutie frankly, it's distracting my boyfriend, particularly in our naked time together. ("What is the ark?" is not what my boyfriend wanted to hear at a particular point in time) I can't wait to see how Tim and Jay work together, just how much Tim really does have a hold over the whole Masky thing, what the hell happened to Jessica, what the hell is the ark and just went down during the filming of Marble Hornets. But, the guys have their lives and let's leave them to it and be grateful for what we're given Smile

If the boys annouced that there would be no more entries because of real life, sure, I'd be disapointed, but it wouldn't be the end of the world and I still be grateful that they gave us one of the best serialised dramas ever Smile

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Magyk wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:


THE TWITTER IS NOT CANON


False.

twistedpuppet wrote:
AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE UPDATED TO MOVE THE STORY FORWARD.


While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.

See: Tweetpocalypse 2011.


I think what Pravado is getting at, and what I agree with, is that it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to post one of those generic: "Upset at what I caught on film.. not sure if I should post it. I'll decide this week." tweets.

Waiting with zero word of an update, either in game or out of game, is complete bullshit.


Troy has stated before (either in the commentaries for one of the DVDs or in one of the interviews he's done online) that the TTA vidoes and the twitter account are not necessary in order to follow the story. He deliberately set it up so that you could watch the main channel and NEVER have seen the TTA videos or the twitter account STILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE STORY.

So, to reiterate, TWITTER ACCOUNT IS NOT CANON.

The TTA videos not posted on the main MH account have never had any impact on the plot. Neither has the twitter account. Those things exist for the fans. Think of them as extra goodies.



Magyk wrote:


Geneaux486 wrote:
Magyk wrote:
While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.

See: Tweetpocalypse 2011.


That wound up going nowhere. If he hadn't tweeted anything at all during that time, the story would have been exactly the same.


Is that some kind of bad joke? Enttry 37 would have been so out-of-context without those tweets, let alone the entire "waking up at the red tower" thing. The twitter, and the tweetpocalypse in particular add so much depth to this story.



When I first discovered Marble Hornets, we were already up to entry #51. I watched up to Entry #45 in one setting without ever once looking up the twitter account or TTA videos. NONE of the entries seemed out of context to me. You just think that way because you've been with the series longer and knew about the TTA vids and twitter account from the start. I didn't. Troy achieved his goal of making sure someone could watch the entries and understand what is going on without having to have other material you have to hunt down and watch or read.

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twistedpuppet wrote:

Troy has stated before (either in the commentaries for one of the DVDs or in one of the interviews he's done online) that the TTA vidoes and the twitter account are not necessary in order to follow the story. He deliberately set it up so that you could watch the main channel and NEVER have seen the TTA videos or the twitter account STILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE STORY.

So, to reiterate, TWITTER ACCOUNT IS NOT CANON.


"In fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base."

The twitter IS CANON, sorry.



twistedpuppet wrote:

When I first discovered Marble Hornets, we were already up to entry #51. I watched up to Entry #45 in one setting without ever once looking up the twitter account or TTA videos. NONE of the entries seemed out of context to me. You just think that way because you've been with the series longer and knew about the TTA vids and twitter account from the start. I didn't. Troy achieved his goal of making sure someone could watch the entries and understand what is going on without having to have other material you have to hunt down and watch or read.


Magyk wrote:
While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.



Re-read what I said, please. A tweet as minor as "Going to check out Brian's house." or "Going to investigate the red tower" still FORWARDS THE PLOT in a minor way, but it's STILL forwarding the plot. Is it necessary? Nope. Did I say it was necessary? Nope. Does it improve the story, add depth, and make MH easier to follow? Yup, yup, and yup. Are the fans deserving of a measly tweet once in a while that says "Entry whatever will be uploaded in a week." Fucking yup.

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Magyk wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:

Troy has stated before (either in the commentaries for one of the DVDs or in one of the interviews he's done online) that the TTA vidoes and the twitter account are not necessary in order to follow the story. He deliberately set it up so that you could watch the main channel and NEVER have seen the TTA videos or the twitter account STILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE STORY.

So, to reiterate, TWITTER ACCOUNT IS NOT CANON.


"In fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base."

The twitter IS CANON, sorry.



twistedpuppet wrote:

When I first discovered Marble Hornets, we were already up to entry #51. I watched up to Entry #45 in one setting without ever once looking up the twitter account or TTA videos. NONE of the entries seemed out of context to me. You just think that way because you've been with the series longer and knew about the TTA vids and twitter account from the start. I didn't. Troy achieved his goal of making sure someone could watch the entries and understand what is going on without having to have other material you have to hunt down and watch or read.


Magyk wrote:
While it doesn't NEED to be updated to move the story forward, it sometimes is.



Re-read what I said, please. A tweet as minor as "Going to check out Brian's house." or "Going to investigate the red tower" still FORWARDS THE PLOT in a minor way, but it's STILL forwarding the plot. Is it necessary? Nope. Did I say it was necessary? Nope.



No on first point. No on second point. I didn't see the tweets you are referring to when I watched the entries. He stated in the entry before he went back that he would be going back, if I remember correctly. I may be wrong on that point, but he did say in the entry that he would be returning and then he did return.

Again, neither the twitter account, nor the TTA account move the story forward. They have no affect on the plot. You just think they do because he gives you a heads up as a way of saying "hey, new entry coming soon".

Tell you what though. I'll settle this at the end of October. I'm going to GMX. Troy and company will be there. I will ask them straight up if the twitter account and TTA account matter to the overall context of the story. I'll let you know what he says. I'll even try to film it for ya.

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