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[VIDEO] Isolation
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DaturaStramonium
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Well, I still don't know what people are referring to as the Ark, but I probably should have posted what I saw right away to avoid the possible confusion that is going on.



The only thing that could arguably be a mysterious artifact of importance is the 'root' itself or the object(s) under/around the root not shown in this shot.


EDIT: The root is in fact a tire.

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DaturaStramonium wrote:
The only thing that could arguably be a mysterious artifact of importance is the 'root' itself or the object(s) under/around the root not shown in this shot.


That's the tire, right? I'm not sure who first pointed it out, but there is a tire like this one leaning against a tree at the Hoody Hut in #62 (a good shot is around 7:12). If that's right, then the camera that shot the "ark" frames in question would have been just beyond where Tim woke up, shooting back toward the Hut. I think.

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This entry was oddly calming to me.

It pretty much cements that Hoody is ToTheArk, whether or not Tim is involved with him.

The eyes could be anybody's; with how much technical finagling they're doing in TTA, it's not that hard for them to mess with the eye colours.


I don't see anything in that screenshot.

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Jingleman wrote:
(snip)I don't want to come off as negative here; I liked this video pretty well. I'm just trying to understand Hoody's motives, and I'm excited to get into the next exposition phase of this narrative.

I think we can't ignore the possibility (probability?) that TTA and/or Hoody isn't entirely sane. His motives may not be rational. It may not be possible to counter The Operator by rational means.

All good points in the rest of the reply. I was going to answer with some speculation -- I do think we can make some guesses at this point -- but that would do no good and it would very likely be wrong or incomplete anyway.

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Jingleman wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
The only thing that could arguably be a mysterious artifact of importance is the 'root' itself or the object(s) under/around the root not shown in this shot.


That's the tire, right? I'm not sure who first pointed it out, but there is a tire like this one leaning against a tree at the Hoody Hut in #62 (a good shot is around 7:12). If that's right, then the camera that shot the "ark" frames in question would have been just beyond where Tim woke up, shooting back toward the Hut. I think.


It's Robert, get over it kids.

As for the visual oddities in the fisheye section, they're likely meaningless and chalked up to "distortion". Sometimes a cigar.
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Let me preface this by saying I am very tired and I may be off-base on some stuff. But hey, that's when all my cool ideas come to me. Wink

My thoughts after Isolation.


From the melancholy name, to the hazy, dreamlike video filter, to the personal admission from Hoodie that he's being watched, I cannot help but feel a deep tone of sadness from this video.
To me, this makes a great deal of sense. Hoodie implied he didn't want to trigger Masky like he did (Look at what you've caused, etc.), but he did anyway for unkown and likely important reasons. He put Tim through a great amount of stress and, coupled with Tim's memory loss, will probably be hated by him for that. And now that he's placed Tim in Jay's hands Hoodie finds himself truly alone in this again, where its only a cloth mask and a faceless entity between life and death. Speaking of death...
This must be the beginning of what Hoodie was talking about in his previous vid. "You will lead me to the ark. Lead me to death." In placing this final plan into motion (which I assume is part of his final plan as we're nearing the ending) he has begun the final countdown for himself, so to speak; he will reach the ark soon, and it will all be over for him shortly after that.
I feel this vid is Hoodie expressing his concerns and pain in the calm before the storm that he's set in motion.

If we look back at some of the older TTA vids, I believe they fit in with this.
"Some day you will understand", could be directed at Tim. Almost as an apology for what he was going to do to him now.
Looking back at Extraction, I wonder if maybe this was when Tim left TTA. Perhaps Tim didn't hate enough and couldn't continue being a part of things (which is supported by Tim's wanting to stay out of things now). If so, Tim's march in that video was really of him limping away from TTA and wanting to return to normalcy.

But lastly, there's that whole matter of Tim being a liar. Just what did Tim hide from Hoodie that's so important?
If I could voice my own idea, perhaps its that Tim knew something about Alex and the ark that he didn't want to admit. Something that would endanger him or otherwise reveal that he was deeper in this mess than he told Brian Hoodie when this all began.
Something about Normal-Tim must've caused Hoodie suspicion, I suppose. Something that changed the situation so much that Hoodie had to take drastic measures at this point.

Finally, I thought about something concerning the ark and Jay.
Have you noticed that Jay is never directly stalked by TO? Jay usually just bumps into him at one of his hangouts like at Brian's House and Rosswood, or TO is after someone else (Jessica, Alex, footsteps guy at the hospital, etc.)
So perhaps then, the true reason Jay is the one to reach the ark is because Slendy doesn't stalk him. If so, that makes Hoodie's admission of being slenderstalked very important, as it explains why he can't get the ark himself.
I feel this fits in with Jay having seen the ark before; just his brief encounter with the ark was enough to make him less 'wanted' by Slendy. So perhaps truly having the ark would cause slendy to ignore you altogether?
Jay may just be the one to slip by the Eye of Sauron Slendy and retrieve the ark. (With Hoodie sacrificing himself to distract Evil Alex, no doubt.)

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ToTheArcanine wrote:
From the melancholy name, to the hazy, dreamlike video filter, to the personal admission from Hoodie that he's being watched, I cannot help but feel a deep tone of sadness from this video.
To me, this makes a great deal of sense. Hoodie implied he didn't want to trigger Masky like he did (Look at what you've caused, etc.), but he did anyway for unkown and likely important reasons. He put Tim through a great amount of stress and, coupled with Tim's memory loss, will probably be hated by him for that. And now that he's placed Tim in Jay's hands Hoodie finds himself truly alone in this again, where its only a cloth mask and a faceless entity between life and death. Speaking of death...
This must be the beginning of what Hoodie was talking about in his previous vid. "You will lead me to the ark. Lead me to death." In placing this final plan into motion (which I assume is part of his final plan as we're nearing the ending) he has begun the final countdown for himself, so to speak; he will reach the ark soon, and it will all be over for him shortly after that.
I feel this vid is Hoodie expressing his concerns and pain in the calm before the storm that he's set in motion.

If we look back at some of the older TTA vids, I believe they fit in with this.
"Some day you will understand", could be directed at Tim. Almost as an apology for what he was going to do to him now.
Looking back at Extraction, I wonder if maybe this was when Tim left TTA. Perhaps Tim didn't hate enough and couldn't continue being a part of things (which is supported by Tim's wanting to stay out of things now). If so, Tim's march in that video was really of him limping away from TTA and wanting to return to normalcy.


I think you're on point with your TTA analysis, for the most part. I don't think, though, that we have much reason to believe that Tim/Masky was ever willingly involved with TTA, nor if he is ever truly sentient as Masky. All we ever seem to see of him is a mindless tackling machine, who occasionally does a bit of stalking on the side.

I think you're spot on about "Some day you will understand" addressing Tim/Masky specifically. It seems like Hoodie has a bit of a fondness for Tim, and feels some remorse for having to manipulate him the way he does.

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ToTheArcanine wrote:

Finally, I thought about something concerning the ark and Jay.
Have you noticed that Jay is never directly stalked by TO? Jay usually just bumps into him at one of his hangouts like at Brian's House and Rosswood, or TO is after someone else (Jessica, Alex, footsteps guy at the hospital, etc.)
So perhaps then, the true reason Jay is the one to reach the ark is because Slendy doesn't stalk him. If so, that makes Hoodie's admission of being slenderstalked very important, as it explains why he can't get the ark himself.
I feel this fits in with Jay having seen the ark before; just his brief encounter with the ark was enough to make him less 'wanted' by Slendy. So perhaps truly having the ark would cause slendy to ignore you altogether?
Jay may just be the one to slip by the Eye of Sauron Slendy and retrieve the ark. (With Hoodie sacrificing himself to distract Evil Alex, no doubt.)


Very interesting theory; it works well with what we've been shown. I quite like this, and wouldn't be a bit disappointed if Jay is somehow 'special' in that he's the only one to be able to retrieve the ark. Some may call it cliche, but I think it would work.

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DaturaStramonium wrote:
ToTheArcanine wrote:

Finally, I thought about something concerning the ark and Jay.
Have you noticed that Jay is never directly stalked by TO? Jay usually just bumps into him at one of his hangouts like at Brian's House and Rosswood, or TO is after someone else (Jessica, Alex, footsteps guy at the hospital, etc.)
So perhaps then, the true reason Jay is the one to reach the ark is because Slendy doesn't stalk him. If so, that makes Hoodie's admission of being slenderstalked very important, as it explains why he can't get the ark himself.
I feel this fits in with Jay having seen the ark before; just his brief encounter with the ark was enough to make him less 'wanted' by Slendy. So perhaps truly having the ark would cause slendy to ignore you altogether?
Jay may just be the one to slip by the Eye of Sauron Slendy and retrieve the ark. (With Hoodie sacrificing himself to distract Evil Alex, no doubt.)


Very interesting theory; it works well with what we've been shown. I quite like this, and wouldn't be a bit disappointed if Jay is somehow 'special' in that he's the only one to be able to retrieve the ark. Some may call it cliche, but I think it would work.


What about Entry 52, where TO was RIGHT THERE in the room?

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That was Jessica's hotel room. Remember, Jessica screamed and Jay ran to her room.

Let's look at all the times Jay is in the same area as the Operator, to see if this theory fits.

- 17: Tim and Alex were there.
- Return: Someone was filming (totheark or Masky are the most likely candidates.)
- 23: Masky was there.
- 40: Hoody was there.
- 52: Jessica was there.
- 60: Someone was above ground.

Hmm. I guess it's plausible that the Operator isn't actively following Jay. Not sure I totally buy it though. I mean why would the fact that someone was above Jay in Entry 60 cause the Operator to appear underground? I think whoever was up there probably led the Operator there (Whether on purpose or not is another question) but I think after the Operator realized Jay was there, he was going after Jay. I just think we don't see Jay with the Operator as much because of the format of the entries; Jay's not the main character in most of them. Whenever he is mind you, the Operator usually appears.
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Drksrpnt wrote:

What about Entry 52, where TO was RIGHT THERE in the room?



EDIT: Dammit Hawk. Ninja in the dark...

Don't forget, Jessica was severely sick with The Operator's presence for multiple days. The Operator also attacked her first, and overall it seemed like she was the reason why he showed up in the first place.

I agree that there may be some evidence, though, that could go against Jay being somewhat immune to The Operator, but it's a decent theory that does coincide with a lot of the entries.

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Drksrpnt wrote:
DaturaStramonium wrote:
ToTheArcanine wrote:

Finally, I thought about something concerning the ark and Jay.
Have you noticed that Jay is never directly stalked by TO? Jay usually just bumps into him at one of his hangouts like at Brian's House and Rosswood, or TO is after someone else (Jessica, Alex, footsteps guy at the hospital, etc.)
So perhaps then, the true reason Jay is the one to reach the ark is because Slendy doesn't stalk him. If so, that makes Hoodie's admission of being slenderstalked very important, as it explains why he can't get the ark himself.
I feel this fits in with Jay having seen the ark before; just his brief encounter with the ark was enough to make him less 'wanted' by Slendy. So perhaps truly having the ark would cause slendy to ignore you altogether?
Jay may just be the one to slip by the Eye of Sauron Slendy and retrieve the ark. (With Hoodie sacrificing himself to distract Evil Alex, no doubt.)


Very interesting theory; it works well with what we've been shown. I quite like this, and wouldn't be a bit disappointed if Jay is somehow 'special' in that he's the only one to be able to retrieve the ark. Some may call it cliche, but I think it would work.


What about Entry 52, where TO was RIGHT THERE in the room?

What about this video, "Isolation," which says, "FOLLOWS ALL?" What does that mean if Jay's not being stalked?

Otherwise, I guess this idea is possible, but I'm not fully clear on how you're dealing with one more thing here. With Rosswood, if you're suggesting that it's a base for the Operator and therefore sightings there aren't really about who's being stalked, then does anybody who walks into wrong part of the park get a "Hello" from our tall friend? If a random person stumbles into that chimney area or the big tunnel? Or does Alex or another stalk-ee have to be within a mile or two to put the Operator in play?

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Is this a tunnel?

Right after the *now debunked* "ark" frame, the camera pans and we see this:


Any thoughts? Do you see stairs? Where do they lead?

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What I found interesting after watching it again was that Hoody apparently chooses to stay in Rosswood, surrounded by trees and probably paranoid as heck that everytime he turns around, the Operator is going to be right there. This makes me think that the ark may be somewhere nearby, or it could even mean that Hoody is doing that to try and bait OP to stalk him, thus leaving everyone else alone. I think this especially makes sense because of Tim leaving TTA, so Hoody's all by himself, which is why he felt he had to do what he did to Tim.

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I was wondering about that frame! I saw that it was a tunnel-like shape of leaves and stuff, but didn't see the stuff behind it, it happens so quickly! Where is this, and what building could be behind it? It looks different than the tunnel-like branches that Alex goes through in Rosswood to me.

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