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mokie
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Just a request: can we keep the rage in the rage thread? Not trying to backseat mod, it's just a little early for Amtrak.

Jingleman wrote:
On the other hand, [Tim]'s not taking it as seriously as I would have thought he would: he's taking his time with teaming up; he's directing too much of his anger at his only ally; he's taking risks by meeting in the open and wanting to go to Rosswood. It's like he's willing to admit that he's got an enemy, but he's not registering the gravity of the danger.


I'd say from Tim's point of view, his caution makes sense. He has his own situation going on, and while the forum is more or less convinced it all points to childhood slenderstalking, it seems from Tim's perspective Jay and Alex's Big Adventure isn't necessarily related, even if it has brought back/exacerbated his own problems. Being hesitant to get involved further makes sense, and being tetchy at one of the folks he perceives as having involved him/keeping him involved makes sense.

Also, though the forum has let Jay off the hook for the assorted disappearances in the series, I can see how Tim would want to meet in the open, just in case.

I'd say he's keenly aware of the danger, and counts Jay as possibly among them.

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Jingleman wrote:
Serpentine wrote:
I thought I noticed distortion.

I thought there was a touch of distortion when Jay shut the car door. Struck me as natural distortion, though, not Operator related. I didn't see anything else, but a more thorough search of the background may be warranted.


Yeah. Rewatching the video I think what I saw/heard was most likely the camera focusing and the wind as he approached Tim.

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pravado wrote:

i'm a diehard marble hornets fan but i can only take so much abuse, and this may have been the final "Fuck you" straw for me


Damn, kid. That's cold. They're doing the best they can.


It's not good enough. I know they have real life shit going on but this whole season feels half assed. Hell, tribetwelve has a more interesting story and entries in the past few than MH has had all season. I can understand wanting to take your time and not rush shit out, but what we're getting still feels rushed.

The operator hasn't been around in months, and almost a year before that last attack on jay. he doesn't pose a threat. i don't care what they're going to pull, he left jay alone for that long, he doesn't care about jay.

if the operator doesn't pose a threat, totheark shouldn't give a shit about the operator either. this whole story is getting so stupid because it's taking so long for them to say one simple thing. if you have a big moment you want to get to, then get to it already and build upon it. don't fill the gaps in between here and then with small meaningless dialogue entries.


Oh, Louis, Louis, Louis. Still whining, Louis.

Have you heard enough? I've had to listen to that for centuries.

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I actually really liked this entry. It wasn't all fireworks and we shouldn't be expecting that for every entry. That would get old and predictable very quickly. Instead it focused on the the slow burn of the operator stalking, reaching back into season 2 for inspiration, with references to Alex and Jessica. For me, all that is just as scary as when the operator shows up. The idea that the stalking is chronic and inescapable sends shivers down my spine and Jay's paranoia added a lot to the atmosphere.

Were there crazy special effects and an operator dummy? No. Was it suspenseful and satisfying? Definitely.

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I liked this entry. The uneasy tension between Jay and Tim really shone through; it's clear that they're both so paranoid that they barely even trust each other.

It's curious, in my opinion, that The Operator never really comes up in conversation. It always seems like they're talking about Totheark or Alex as if they're the real threats. Perhaps they're just trying to ignore it... Hmm.

RiftTraveler wrote:
Yeah, you were totally right. It was the seatbelt thingy.

IIIIIIIII'm a derp.

-Tycho

For what it's worth, I totally see The Operator in that still, RiftTraveler. General Consensus seems to be that it's nothing, though...

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although i wished more happened (at least a TINY background sighting!) i like this entry too. the end was really unnerving for me for some reason. the lights or whatever those colorful orb things were reminded me of another (tta) video...

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I liked this entry, if only for the fact that Jessica was mentioned. Like Tim said, it's been a year and a half since Jay saw her, and the only time he said anything about her was,"Oh look, she was in this tape from the past. I guess this explains why she thought my name was familiar." It's nice to know he does care about what happened to her.

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I actually thought that this was a solid entry. The acting was natural and fluid, the location was creepy, and the fact that Jay isn't naive anymore really shows us how far he's come as a character.

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Jordan
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but I was a bit disappointed in this entry. Only a bit, mind (I still can't wait for entry #64)

Did anyone else feel that the pacing was a bit off this entry? Parts of the entry seemed quite rushed. The opening scene outside Rosswood might have played better if we just had half a minute or so of Jay and Tim just sliently trying to proccess what had happened, and Tim's depature might have been handled a bit better if there had been a couple of longer beats after Jay had asked if he needed a lift.

Even the cut to the meeting felt a bit odd and disjointed. It might have played better to see a montage of clips of Jay trying to contact Tim or driving by his empty house in the meantime, but cutting straight to it felt odd and disjointed.

The meeting itself just went and to be honest, some of the conversation felt a bit too much like exposition at times. (Usually, Marble Hornets does these scenes rather well) Neither Tim nor Jay seemed apphrensive about each other (which both had a right to be) and Tim's eagerness about everything felt a bit unusual, despite his needs for answers. Wouldn't he still express some suspcion towards Jay (not in words, but in tone?) and Jay likewise? If they'd both been hesistant to talk to each other, but they just dove in and it felt odd, in the least. I guess the intent was that both just wanted to get it over with, but it still didn't quite work for me.

Tim taking control and his eagerness might have been better played if Tim had still seemed rather hesistant to trust Jay. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see Tim trying to help poor ol' Jay (and confronting Jay about just how lost he really is and that he needs to pull back from everything), but I think Tim's eagerness and his sympathy for Jay were overplayed somewhat.

As for the time laspe...I wasn't really bothered about an in game explanation for the and it didn't quite work for me. Clearly, Jay knew Tim was still around, wouldn't he have confronted him about it? Maybe not during the first week, but the week after it? Yes, Tim has mental health issues, but I don't think Jay's got much patience left. I know the laspe in time is also clearly part of Troseph's plan for us to suspect Tim has his memories back and he's been working with Hoody and working out what to do with Jay, but it just felt clunkyily done to me. Sorry, fellahs Sad



I don't mind the slow reveal of everything - it's a crucial part of the story and I love the whole slow burn reveal of this season. Like aidansean, I don't want fireworks in every entry and I love the build up of everything. This entry did what it set out to do, it just didn't feel as polished as the rest of the series.

I'm a bit worried that the boys might think we've waited too long and decided to rush this entry a bit. If so, guys, don't worry - we can wait. I love Marble Hornets as much as ever, but this entry didn't quite work for me. You guys are brilliant Smile

Very intrested to see how the partnership will play out (I suspect it won't be long before Jay is on his own again) and Hoody's further machinations *shiver* I also don't feel it won't be too long before we get another hint of Alex's fate.

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I stand by this entry 100%. Why? Because:

#1: We were due for a talking-mostly / Plot-driven entry, with all of the excitement in the last few.

#2: They're FINALLY making good conversation about ToTheArk / The Operator, and realizing that they are probably being watched, which was actually very creepy in my opinion.

#3: This entry is finally moving things forward. This is the one that is going to transition us into the ending of Marble Hornets. J and Tim are finally teaming up, and now they are going to Rosswood. Who knows what will happen?

#4: They're going there THIS week. Not in a few weeks, but THIS WEEK.

And one more thing to add in that was amazing about this entry: It was short, and to the point. We didn't have to sit through the camera looking at the ground constantly, and things didn't linger on before something significant happened. I'm very satisfied with this entry, and I'm excited that we've finally made it to this part of the story. Now we get to see how everything unfolds. I think the only people who couldn't be happy with this entry are the ones who ALWAYS expect The Operator or Hoody to appear, or see someone get attacked, etc. A story can't be dramatic the entire duration.

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Clearly, Jay knew Tim was still around, wouldn't he have confronted him about it? Maybe not during the first week, but the week after it?


I don't think Jay knows where Tim lives or where he works. All he has is his phone number and where his Dr. office is. Jay may not want to antagonize him anymore by constantly calling him or sitting outside the doc's office, or following Tim home.

Honestly, I don't think Tim or Jay trust each other at all... they were both openly hostile to each other, they didn't offer to spend any time together beyond what was strictly necessary, they certainly didn't spill out every drop of information they obviously still possess.

How do we even know that Hoody isn't workind with Normal Tim as well as Masky Tim? After all, Hoody went waaaay overboard showing Jay just how much of a victim Tim is...but why do that unless he wanted Jay to trust Tim? He wants them working together for a reason. And maybe Jay by now can smell a setup from miles away, hence his paranoia in the parking lot. Jay may know he's being manipulated, but how else will he gain any information at all?

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Tim is suspiciously eager to go to Rosswood. Call me crazy, but I'm wondering now if the 'Tim isn't in control of himself while he is Masky' story is just a farce, created between Tim and Hoody to lull Jay into a false sense of security. Now that Jay feels safe enough with Tim's intentions, and feels as though Hoody is their common enemy, he will follow him back into Rosswood. Tim will then lead Jay back to the Hoody Hut, or wherever, where he and Hoody will confront Jay together about whatever it is they have been stalking him over. Hoody's identity is revealed, and they both explain his role/importance in the upcoming confrontation with TO and/or Alex.

Just a theory.

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Jordan wrote:
It might have played better to see a montage of clips of Jay trying to contact Tim or driving by his empty house in the meantime, but cutting straight to it felt odd and disjointed.


I have to disagree on that. A montage is an obvious Hollywood "Time passes..." tool, and using it here would have broken realism--it would've felt not like a guy documenting the crap he's going through, but like a guy making a movie in which he plays a guy documenting the crap he goes through. Plus, frankly, he doesn't have to tell us that time's passing and Jay's (im)patiently waiting on Tim. We already know that, because we pay attention.

The brief opening serves as a short explanation of the quiet (so as not to piss off Tim further), and then we get straight to meeting, because it's about damn time.

Jordan wrote:
Tim taking control and his eagerness might have been better played if Tim had still seemed rather hesistant to trust Jay. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to see Tim trying to help poor ol' Jay (and confronting Jay about just how lost he really is and that he needs to pull back from everything), but I think Tim's eagerness and his sympathy for Jay were overplayed somewhat.


I don't get at all how you see him trusting Jay or wanting to help him, or how you see any sympathy at all. I see none of that.

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Since this was almost a plot talking entry, we can expect the next one to be action intense. I can feel the tension between Jay and Tim, it was some sort of "enemies" alliance.

"Alex said the same thing" that was a killer. So finally Jay is going after his lost love. Still I have this weird hunch that masky or/and hoody may be setting up Jay for something at Rosswood

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Honestly, I don't think Tim or Jay trust each other at all... they were both openly hostile to each other, they didn't offer to spend any time together beyond what was strictly necessary, they certainly didn't spill out every drop of information they obviously still possess.


Just rewatched it. You can defiently sense their mutual hostilty towards each other Rolling Eyes (in my defence, I was really tired) Smile

Still...the whole conversation during their meeting feels really akwardly paced and moves too quickly. I get that their intention that both Jay and Tim just wanted to get it over with, but it really went too fast and didn't really feel like a natural conversation (which is strange, because Marble Hornets usually does this really well) . That Tim decides to take control of the situation and Jay doesn't really question him or have any sort of outburst really felt wrong to me. Yes, Jay wants answers and is willing to bite his tonugue for them, but after three weeks of waiting on top of being kidnapped and Slendy stalked for three years, I expected more of an outburst. But, that's just me. I still stand by everything else, I said, though Smile

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I don't think Jay knows where Tim lives or where he works. All he has is his phone number and where his Dr. office is. Jay may not want to antagonize him anymore by constantly calling him or sitting outside the doc's office, or following Tim home.


It doesn't really seem like that big of a town to be honest, so I can't imagine it'd take Jay THAT long to find Tim's address from the footage of 'entry'/'entry 61' and after a week after what Jay went through, on top of everything else, I can imagine his patience wearing thin, regarless of Tim's mental health issues.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not rubbishing them - Marble Hornets is brilliant and long may it continue Smile

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Tim is suspiciously eager to go to Rosswood. Call me crazy, but I'm wondering now if the 'Tim isn't in control of himself while he is Masky' story is just a farce, created between Tim and Hoody to lull Jay into a false sense of security. Now that Jay feels safe enough with Tim's intentions, and feels as though Hoody is their common enemy, he will follow him back into Rosswood. Tim will then lead Jay back to the Hoody Hut, or wherever, where he and Hoody will confront Jay together about whatever it is they have been stalking him over. Hoody's identity is revealed, and they both explain his role/importance in the upcoming confrontation with TO and/or Alex.

Just a theory.


There defiently reiterating the idea that Tim is playing Jay in this scene, either he got his memories back during the time Jay was waiting upon him or he's been lying all along. ("You've done nothing" echoing 'entry', for instance)


And the long painful, but fun wait for entry #64 is upon us! Wink

EDIT: Sorry, thought I'd hit preview!


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It might have played better to see a montage of clips of Jay trying to contact Tim or driving by his empty house in the meantime, but cutting straight to it felt odd and disjointed.



I have to disagree on that. A montage is an obvious Hollywood "Time passes..." tool, and using it here would have broken realism--it would've felt not like a guy documenting the crap he's going through, but like a guy making a movie in which he plays a guy documenting the crap he goes through. Plus, frankly, he doesn't have to tell us that time's passing and Jay's (im)patiently waiting on Tim. We already know that, because we pay attention.

The brief opening serves as a short explanation of the quiet (so as not to piss off Tim further), and then we get straight to meeting, because it's about damn time.


Yeah, 'montage' was a stupid word to use (in my defence, I was really tired) . But, I still think a short scene or two would have enhanced this entry somewhat and given this entry some much needed breathing space, the transition just felt clunky to me and we moved into the meeting too quickly. As for Jay filming something like that, it's not uncommon for Jay to document something that for his audience. As for the whole not confronting Tim thing, well, as I said before, it really feels that Jay is at a point where he wouldn't care what Tim could do to him because Tim seems to be so close to those answers and Jay needs to know. That's just my opinion, mind Smile

But, heh, we'll agree to disagree Smile .

I don't know, I mean we knew pretty much from entry #53 that Jay and Tim were going to be working with each other this season and it's felt like a natural progression over the last ten entries to there team up, so I have no qualms there. Plus, in the meantime, we got some very intresting details to speculate on Smile

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